Paddling Nutrition?

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OG SUP
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13 Jul 2009 9:39pm
Wonder what people use for a prepaddle energy boost that lasts.

Iterested to know what the comp paddlers and surfers recomend?

We have recently been doing some long session up to 4-5 hours if the surf is good.

Kristi and I have tried many thing but found pasta to be really good. I think its a bit old school any new ideas.

Phill
boarder paul
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13 Jul 2009 7:40pm
Jelly babies
boarder paul
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13 Jul 2009 7:47pm
Opps

Pre paddle you say.. Pasta is good for a paddle or any long event, But i will need to be up to 3 hours before you do the big effort.

Bread rolls and jam is also a good one for the hunger/Pre event

And jelly babies to keep the energy up.

Once your fuel is gone is hard to keep up the reps as the body will fail you.

This is where jellys come into it.
There are many drinks on the market which are good but jelly babies are a cheaper option.
Lobes
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13 Jul 2009 7:50pm
Pasta the night before and in the morning if you can. Fruit is pretty good, bananas are high in potassium which helps prevent cramp.

On the water I take nut bars. Taste better and have more protein than muesli bars. Sports drinks are good. Most of the 'ades' are the same I reckon but I like he taste of Powerade. Havnt tried any of those sport gels but the cyclists seem to like them and the demands of a cycling race are not that different from a long paddle in average weather.

As aways after a big sess nothing beats Maccas. All that sugar is a good pick up.
OG SUP
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13 Jul 2009 10:00pm
Thanks lobes,

Which nut bars do you recommend?

I cant do the maccas thing makes me feel ill lol.

Phill

boarder paul
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13 Jul 2009 8:02pm
These nuts might work

DavidJohn
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13 Jul 2009 10:02pm


champcrow
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13 Jul 2009 9:40pm
OG SUP said...

Thanks lobes,

Which nut bars do you recommend?

I cant do the maccas thing makes me feel ill lol.

Phill




Can't go past a snickers i reckon
Lobes
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13 Jul 2009 8:35pm
champcrow said...

OG SUP said...

Thanks lobes,

Which nut bars do you recommend?

I cant do the maccas thing makes me feel ill lol.

Phill




Can't go past a snickers i reckon


Snickers is good but too chewy for me. I want something I can smash down between sets while Im out there.

I have tried a few different brands but hese are my favorite. They also have a bunch of different flavours. get em at Coles


A delicious blend of nutrient-rich nuts with a hint of honey, packed full of peanuts, almonds, brazil nuts and walnuts.

http://www.benatural.com.au/Be%20Natural%20Bars.html
JB Mel
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14 Jul 2009 6:13am
Yep, I agree Lobes, the Be Natural Nut Bars are great!
Tux
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14 Jul 2009 10:03am
Natural Confectionary Snakes and Jellies Phil....when my wife gets back to work I will try and wrangle you some free samples.......
laurie
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14 Jul 2009 11:40am
My understanding is the whole low GI/high GI thing.

When I was competing, we'd load up on weetbix & fruit in the morning, then keep topped up with jelly babies or bread, honey & banana sangas.

Water! Before a session, if its hot, I pre-load on water .. try and get 300-500ml in me as the body will sweat it out -- I find that my concentration lasts heaps longer.

Phil - do you come in and drink water during these 4 hour sessions? I find after two hours my concentration starts to wander, and a good drink of water brings it back...

Gorgo
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14 Jul 2009 12:25pm
I am sceptical about "super" foods. I think any balanced diet with reasonably healthy food, hydration and snacks is fine.

I used to do masses of cross-country skiing and a bit of serious mountain biking. We found the best thing was to take plenty of water, some fruit and snacks and some simple sandwiches. That is, food you are used to, find palatable and easily digestible.

Chocolate bars and sweets give you a little energy blast but you also get a sugar slump afterwards.

I think that unless you're a highly trained elite athlete then carbo loading doesn't do a lot for you. You don't have the training, fitness and technique to push yourself to that extra level where the loaded carbs kick in.
laurie
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14 Jul 2009 5:46pm
Gorgo said...
I think that unless you're a highly trained elite athlete then carbo loading doesn't do a lot for you.


Waddayamean? There are some photos on here of guys who look highly trained .. there exercise regimen include liquid carb loading the night before
boarder paul
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14 Jul 2009 3:47pm
xxxx Stubies dont count
DavidJohn
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14 Jul 2009 7:40pm
Today on the Yarra..

DJ

boarder paul
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14 Jul 2009 5:55pm
What.. No jelly babies
Lobes
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laurie said...

Gorgo said...
I think that unless you're a highly trained elite athlete then carbo loading doesn't do a lot for you.


Waddayamean? There are some photos on here of guys who look highly trained .. there exercise regimen include liquid carb loading the night before


I rarely consider myself elite but I did play first grade and rep rugby for several seasons. I did all the stuff about body fat % and all the nutritional crap. As such I always tried to eat massive pasta meal the night before but when I did not do this I cant say a noticed a huge difference, though physiologically there probably was one. The thing that did make a noticeable difference was the powerade drinks. These allowed me to play almost 70 minutes before the body said enough and started to cramp up.

Its important to remember that these are not wonder foods that will magically empower you to perform above and beyond your best. Rather if you have the right types of eating and hydration then the idea is they will stop the decline in performance as you become exhausted from being so steep. Its a matter of managing dwindling energy supplies more so than magically reboosting your fuel tank off a few bites or a swig of this or that.
sillsymark
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14 Jul 2009 8:44pm

My Ten cents worth.

Nobody can surf for four hours without water.

When you sweat a lot you lose a lot of salt as well.

I definatly reakon those cyclist shops would have bars that can keep you moving as long as humanly possible (With water of course).

I saw a nutritionalist once (About ten years ago) when I was trying to be a vego and they told me I was an idiot. I was cramping and suffering tendonitis pretty bad. (I was surfing twice a day and was weighing in under 65 kgs at 6ft.) They told me - MEAT every day. CEREAL in Morning. FRUIT before Exercise COMPLEX CARBS ALL MORNING....DRINK plenty of water PROTEINS after Exercise. AND MEAT (any more that 100G red per day just goes out the shoot) NO alcohol NO SUGAR.

NO FUN.

See a nutritionalist. They are awesome.
Lobes
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14 Jul 2009 6:56pm
One Billion Indians go ok with no meat in their diet.

Mind you I cant remember the last Indian to win the tour de France.....
laceys lane
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14 Jul 2009 8:57pm
i found lollies,choc bars etc give a burst nervous uncontrollable energy that really just leaves you kinda shaky.this is from experience working as a builder in the qld summer which is no picnic in the shade

oliver
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14 Jul 2009 7:05pm
DavidJohn said...

Today on the Yarra..


What! That sandwich looks wholesome, you should have paddled closer to the casino - there is a Maccas there.
ChrisMcC
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14 Jul 2009 10:07pm
night before: load up on Jim Tins and at least a half a pack of Winnie Blues, avoid food as you can't fit in as many Jim Tins.
Morning Pre Surf: After scratching, sorry mean stretching, Couple cups of coffee and at least 2 Winnie Blues per cup of coffee, if you still feel like you need more, check empty Jim Tins on bench for dregs. Again avoid food as it may trigger a AGB which will only delay your departure for the surf. (hint avoid the tins that have ash around the drinking hole, ash isn't good for you)
Drive to surf: Iced Coffee and 4 more bungers
At Car Park before heading out: One more Winnie Blue as it may be while before you can have another.
Now get out there !!!!!!!
(Burp)
Gorgo
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14 Jul 2009 10:51pm
Lobes said...

One Billion Indians go ok with no meat in their diet.

Mind you I cant remember the last Indian to win the tour de France.....


In percentage terms there are very few Indian vegetarians. Except for a few veg provinces they all eat chicken and lamb and goat and anything else that is going.

Nepalese porters are awesomely fit and strong and some of them smoke and drink and eat goat during festivals.

It's kind of fun in festival season. Lots of nervous goats tied to the veranda in the morning. Lots of big steel bowls with goat bits sticking out in the afternoon. Lots of yummy goat curries in the evening. The next day old guys chopping up goat scraps with a mattock to make mince (I'd avoid the mince meat if I were you.)
rodriguez
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14 Jul 2009 11:29pm
beans means HEINZE.
ozlongboarder
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15 Jul 2009 12:41am
For me hydration is the most important thing to keep me going. I try to drink 2 litres every day and when exercising (mainly mountain biking) I drink a minimum of .5 litre/hour and more if its hot while riding. I like the Mizone sports drinks best as they just dont seem as strong tasting and have a more sustained effect compared to the other ades. I drink it before during and straight after the ride.

If I'm going for a bigger ride say 2-4 hour duration I like bacon and egg rolls with BBQ sauce an hour or two before. I also like the Natural Confectionery company snakes/dinosaurs while I'm riding or jelly beans etc. Mid ride I might have a sandwich or a nut/muesli bar and a piece of fruit. Post ride is more water/mizone then it could be anything from a cold beer or a chocolate milk shake or if a very big /hard ride a protein drink and always more food.

I'm only new to SUPing but I cant see it requiring much different nutrition wise.

STNDUP
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15 Jul 2009 8:38am



In percentage terms there are very few Indian vegetarians. Except for a few veg provinces they all eat chicken and lamb and goat and anything else that is going.


I worked in India and thought this sounded a bit odd...........Here's what I think:

"India holds more vegetarians than the rest of the world combined.

A 2006 survey by the Hindu newspaper (5) found that 40 percent of the population, or 399 million people, are vegetarians. This is mostly driven by class and religious concerns, with the Brahmin class expected to not eat meat, the Hindu religion suggesting vegetarianism and the Jain religion demanding it. "

I am also sure it is possible to be a vegetarian and train hard. My wife is a vegetarian and has run a number of marathons. Just my $.02...........

OH yeah, this is Ronnie (formerly neophyteguy). I changed my user name to match my plates on the beach cruiser.
Jack Mack
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15 Jul 2009 9:51am
*3 hour session at Green Island, chocolate milkshake and a schnitzel burger
from the Cunjerong point general store
* another 2 hour session with the early nor easter offshore.
*Drive home and sleep 2 hours in the lounge on the verandah.
*Wake up and ride the pushy down to the pub at Husky.
* 3 schooners of black.
* Chuck the pushy in the courtesy bus, get a lift home.
*Hope one of the girls has cooked something
*and the day is over!
AHHH SOUTH COAST LIVIN'
Jack
(aka fat bastard)
Th0m0
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15 Jul 2009 10:00am
Jack Mack said...

*3 hour session at Green Island, chocolate milkshake and a schnitzel burger
from the Cunjerong point general store
* another 2 hour session with the early nor easter offshore.
*Drive home and sleep 2 hours in the lounge on the verandah.
*Wake up and ride the pushy down to the pub at Husky.
* 3 schooners of black.
* Chuck the pushy in the courtesy bus, get a lift home.
*Hope one of the girls has cooked something
*and the day is over!
AHHH SOUTH COAST LIVIN'
Jack
(aka fat bastard)




It doesn't get much better than that!

I can't even reach that level of nirvana when I'm on holidays
boarder paul
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24 Jul 2009 4:25pm
I just purchased a bag of jelly babies today, Cost me $90

As i just pulled half a tooth off

Thought it was a bit crunchy
Bnaccas
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24 Jul 2009 7:39pm
Magnesium powder mixed into a drink/water is ideal to stop cramping. I suffer from cramping and this helps a lot. Carbo loading is crytical for some/most athletes like BMX riders that need to perfrom at an absolute max a number of times during the day as well as long distance events. But for the occasional SUP session it's easy to overload and you performance could end up suffering.

For the mega SUP session though I think hydration would be the most important following by sugar intake. I'm no expert but some friends are pretty switched on.
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