Pin tail or Fish?

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Kagey
Kagey
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30 Oct 2009 8:16am
Do they help turning differently? Is one better than the other? Or is it just what's hot and what's not? e.g I recall someone saying Flyers/Wings were so 2007 a little while back.

Apols if this has been covered...many times before
Tux
Tux
VIC
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Tux Tux
VIC, 3829 posts
30 Oct 2009 12:57pm
Wider tail will generally make the board looser...easier to turn....pin tails will hold a tighter line in steeper sections...
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
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30 Oct 2009 1:21pm
I think that pintails have a better progression from straight line speed to turning where wider tails like fish shape tails want to either go straight or turn.. One or the other.. and when they do turn they turn sharper than most pin tail shaped boards.

If you're into continuous tight turns go fish.. If you like the more drawn out turns like most bottom turns go pin. So a pin tail board should bottom turn better and fish tail boards should top turn better... So pins are more suited to bigger waves and fish to smaller waves.. IMO.

That's my take on it all.. I'm sure other here will agree or disagree and add their two cents worth..

DJ
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
SA
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30 Oct 2009 1:39pm
Kagey,
Its a bit more complicated than you might think! You need the boards to adapt to the condititions you want it to excel in. You cannot just say "wider tails" turn tighter for instance because on bigger or more powerful waves, a wider tail can actually hinder the turing circle. Its all about the battle between looseness and drive. If you want to turn tight in small and less powerful waves, wider tails are the go and a swallow tail in the area gives a bit more bite. A round tail is normally looser than a swallow but awell as looseness, you want a bit of drive aswell and the swallow gives that balance. If your designing your board to work in a bit more powerfull conditions, narrow the tail down to give the turn more drive and bite. Narrower tails also require less rocker so this has to be considered also. Pin tails are acutally good for these type boards as the rounded part of the tail privides some loosness to balance out the drive created by the narrower width. Also on an sup, if you don't want to have to move your back foot at all from rail to rail will influence your tail width. Smoothness of the conditions on the wave face also will alter the design a little and rocker and rail profile needs to be considered in all of this.

Hope this helps
Kagey
Kagey
569 posts
569 posts
30 Oct 2009 12:01pm
Thanks for that...yes a few variables there. Would you know what the function of a diamond tail at all? I should really google all this but it's more fun to get more than one opinion on things...stops the breeze from getting stale also I reckon.
mybrosweeper
mybrosweeper
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30 Oct 2009 4:45pm
Yeah what Scotty Mac said^^^ what sort of waves do you want it for?By the way there is a massive difference between a traditional FISH and garden variety swallow tail too!!
Robboo
mybrosweeper
mybrosweeper
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30 Oct 2009 4:47pm
mybrosweeper said...

Yeah what Scotty Mac said^^^ what sort of waves do you want it for?By the way there is a massive difference between a traditional FISH and garden variety swallow tail too!!
Robboo
Ps. It was Dogman who dissed flyers/stingers but dont worry bout what he says,he got hit really hard in the head once.......lol

Kagey
Kagey
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569 posts
30 Oct 2009 3:45pm
I surf small and not very powerful waves, overheads at best. So I've been looking at some larger boards and they have different attributes so In order to make a better decision I thought I'd find out a bit more about the various factors of the manouverability of a board.

What does anyone know about harder rails further up the board as oposed to softer ones? I realise this will hold when in steep waves but does it help/hinder elsewhere?
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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30 Oct 2009 5:56pm
Kagey said...

I surf small and not very powerful waves, overheads at best. So I've been looking at some larger boards and they have different attributes so In order to make a better decision I thought I'd find out a bit more about the various factors of the manouverability of a board.

What does anyone know about harder rails further up the board as oposed to softer ones? I realise this will hold when in steep waves but does it help/hinder elsewhere?




this a fish type tail, not a bad turner and will draw longer lines. if you are surfing soft waves go the softer rail, however a nice taper coming into the tail will give you something to work with


this board is pretty low around to give you an idea
cheers
ps i still have this board, just can't bring myself to part with it
mybrosweeper
mybrosweeper
NSW
1016 posts
NSW, 1016 posts
30 Oct 2009 7:15pm
PFFFFFFt, these are true fish tails


laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
30 Oct 2009 6:52pm


ok, stakes are raised, i'm going to base tomorrow and photo one of dh's old weird super fish tail's
Kagey
Kagey
569 posts
569 posts
30 Oct 2009 4:57pm
lacey said...

Kagey said...

I surf small and not very powerful waves, overheads at best. So I've been looking at some larger boards and they have different attributes so In order to make a better decision I thought I'd find out a bit more about the various factors of the manouverability of a board.

What does anyone know about harder rails further up the board as oposed to softer ones? I realise this will hold when in steep waves but does it help/hinder elsewhere?




this a fish type tail, not a bad turner and will draw longer lines. if you are surfing soft waves go the softer rail, however a nice taper coming into the tail will give you something to work with


this board is pretty low around to give you an idea
cheers
ps i still have this board, just can't bring myself to part with it


Lacey, Why would you wanna get rid of that board it looks the nuts mate?? (not for me I'd sink it)
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
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30 Oct 2009 7:29pm



Lacey, Why would you wanna get rid of that board it looks the nuts mate?? (not for me I'd sink it)

yeah, i took it out at the alley today, running with those shaper's s9's- fiddled with centre fin a couple of times- goes really well with them. she pulls a fantastic bottom turn if you are on it and the swallow just gives you big projection. love this board in a bit bigger than overhead waves. in my mind i think i'm tom curran in search of,in reality, a gumpy bogging rails everywhere
mybrosweeper
mybrosweeper
NSW
1016 posts
NSW, 1016 posts
30 Oct 2009 9:43pm
lacey said...




Lacey, Why would you wanna get rid of that board it looks the nuts mate?? (not for me I'd sink it)

yeah, i took it out at the alley today, running with those shaper's s9's- fiddled with centre fin a couple of times- goes really well with them. she pulls a fantastic bottom turn if you are on it and the swallow just gives you big projection. love this board in a bit bigger than overhead waves. in my mind i think i'm tom curran in search of,in reality, a gumpy bogging rails everywhere

AWWWW now its a SWALLOW??? lol, friggin
r0bB00000ooOOO

62mac
62mac
WA
24860 posts
WA, 24860 posts
30 Oct 2009 6:56pm
Lacey must have a THOUSAND boards,he really just needs room, quad rooms.

Nice work Lacey off loading one for the club. hang on your going for clubman of the year award oh just give it to him
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