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akhawk
akhawk
WA
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21 Apr 2009 8:29pm
Coped my first dose of this ever today. I never go out in crowds and always do everything to avoid hassle when on the water but today I got into a situation where I accidently hit a bloke on a short board after being smashed on a wave. He gave me both barrels including if I get anywhere near him again he was going to kill me!! All I could do was apologize and ask if he was ok. He finally admitted he was fine, but I decided that should be it for the day so left. To make matters worse, after nose diving the board into the rocks on that same wave i've opened up the tail of my board!! Sure left a bitter taste in my mouth and put me in a grumpy for the rest of the day!
If he happens to read this forum (which he probably doesn't) I am very sorry and it was a complete accident.
Anyone else coped a dose of surf rage?
Paul
Paul
WA
346 posts
WA, 346 posts
21 Apr 2009 8:43pm
Sorry to hear that.
We do have to remember how much board we have banging around when we come off.
I got called off the wave a week or so ago and in doing the best I could to get out of the way, still managed to clash boards and knocked the guys fin off.
He was pissed and went in, but I got him a new fin a few days later as it was my fault and all is well.

Had all of avi middles to myself for 2 hours today in glassy head high perfection.
akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
WA, 1085 posts
21 Apr 2009 8:49pm
I've seen Greeny cop footpath rage, supermarket rage when nappies go on sale.....there is too much rage in the world!!
Concept
Concept
SA
15 posts
SA, 15 posts
21 Apr 2009 10:31pm
Alot of us surf as well as sup. I think most surfers are agro. when ever i sup its usually with a few other mates and quite often we get surfer rage. we all ride boards ranging from 7'7 to 8'5 so catching waves is no easier than a mal. waves are left for surfers and we never drop in, however find quite often that this respect is not returned and getting drop ins is very common. Its usually around this time in each session that we also loose respect for them. If they dont want us to take over a break they have to obey the rules to.
akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
WA, 1085 posts
21 Apr 2009 9:25pm
I wonder if I would have copped the same abuse if I was on a shortboard, but thats something I'll never know.
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
21 Apr 2009 9:29pm
Sorry to hear that akhawk. I haven't copped it yet. But I really try hard to avoid any sort of crowd now in the water - as I'm assuming you will now. One tip is to go really early in the morning, or if the waves are good you should be able to manage to find a spot away from the throng. I try to find somewhere just far enough away from the pack so they can still hear me scream should something nasty happen.
akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
WA, 1085 posts
21 Apr 2009 9:33pm
I went to this spot to avoid the crowds! Checked out 2 other spots but packed. When I paddled out it was me and one other sup, until this bloke paddled out with 2 mates. This happened after the other sup left so it was just me and 3 short boarders. I'll go a lesser quality wave but less crowds everytime.
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
21 Apr 2009 9:42pm
Yep, had that too even when fishing on islands. Seems to happen every time, you are away from everyone, and others will see you and think - oh that looks like a good spot to <-- insert your chosen recreation here --> and whenever it happens I think to myself WTF!
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
21 Apr 2009 11:45pm
Hey Guys,

I have to laugh most weekends as I always paddle well wide of the regulars and the Tourists.

When people see you catching waves they automatically figure there is a better peak where you are surfing so then move down to where you are.

Sometimes I almost surf lonnie front beach laughs to keep away from people.

OG Main Beach is a gutless little wave most of the time and you either need a Mal or your small on an over sized board to get a great ride. Its simply a physical mass versus wave power issue.

Last weekend I had a guy paddle over and say dont you think you have taken enough waves!!!!!!!!!!! I was 50m away from him most of the time and no one on my outside.

I look behind me and see a guy my size 105+ kg on a 6'2ish short board sitting way way too deep. I wouldnt catch waves from there on my Mickey Munoz Ultra Glide.

I simply said a phrase a mate of mine matty coined.

"Mate Dont bring a knife to a gun fight" he replied "what the"

I said mate I am calling people onto waves and telling them when the sets are coming how many waves there are and where to sit. If I move any further down the beach I will be in Port Phillip Bay.

The reason your not catching waves is that IMHO you have the wrong equipment for the wave your trying to ride and that is not my choice its yours.

Go grab a 9ft + mal or a SUP and have some Fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He started to carp on about SUP this and SUP that yadda yadda, I just replied that if surfing SUPing or anything else I did stressed me out as much as obviously he was then I would give it up and find something that made me smile.

At that point he shut up and paddled away.

Surf rage is their choice and you cant change it.

But on a sup you can surf places others can neva get to.

Phill
Bnaccas
Bnaccas
VIC
1722 posts
VIC, 1722 posts
21 Apr 2009 11:48pm
I avoid crowds if possible but if the waves are real good and there are a bunch of people in the water, i'll sit out the back and deeper and let a bunch of sets go through and pick off my share. If you are deeper and get the wave early enough then most can see you on it and won't drop in to avoid being run over.

You don't pull out in front of a truck when driving and I guess it's a similar deal here.

You're probably more likely to cop rage at more well known spots from older grumpy guys that have been surfing there for ever. From what I've seen that seems to usually be the case.
firstpoint
firstpoint
QLD
613 posts
QLD, 613 posts
22 Apr 2009 5:34am
there are plenty of sup in noosa and only bits and pieces of rage ,the local short boarders seem to handle it,but they can be greedy f...ers,always up the inside,a number of local longboarders dont seem to handle it too well but its underlying whingeing not rage,the fact is sup looks like its here to stay,with the likes of egan .carrol, lovett ,lopez etc etc coming from the darkside to sup and clubs popping up its our job to educate the new sup surfer,they just dont know the rules.annie sup and surfs the most crowded break in noosa everyday and never cops rage, she gets the occassional alpha male trying to bluff her out but she handles that ok.give some sets away,the local pack love it when you call a three or four wave set for the pack in take off zone,i almost stopped surfing because of crowds,didnt get wet over easter at all, just too many floaters,mind you with all the rain everyone that surfed over easter got lurgy from the water runoff except me,back in the water now and loving it.
Piros
Piros
QLD
7303 posts
QLD, 7303 posts
22 Apr 2009 9:16am
As said above if it's crowded and it's the type of break where everyone sits all over the place and blowing a take off means you will take people out....just don't SUP there.

But if you can safely surf it and they are just greedy plus you're doing the right thing.... don't cop any sh!t just paddle up to them stay standing and talk to them, don't be agro, you never know you might be snaking them from out wide and not realising it , but generally if you front them they pull there head in...but if they don't make sure you get the first shot in with the paddle while you are still standing (only kidding) but seriously talk to them 9 times out of 10 it diffusses on the spot.
akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
WA, 1085 posts
22 Apr 2009 7:27am
As I mentioned earlier it certainly was not crowded only me and three others but not retaliating helped. I just spoke calmly and left, maybe I'm a wuss at heart but I don't handle agro and confrontation too well.
akhawk
akhawk
WA
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WA, 1085 posts
22 Apr 2009 7:28am
I think it was just the wrong spot at the wrong time and an unfortunate accident.
Piros
Piros
QLD
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QLD, 7303 posts
22 Apr 2009 9:31am
If you stay calm so should they , thats the way to do it.
Revvin
Revvin
VIC
299 posts
VIC, 299 posts
22 Apr 2009 10:18am
I saw Phil (OG SUP) cop some Dolphin watching rage last week. There was some snorklers following the dolphin in DJ's thread around and as Phil and I paddled past he politely said, "you shouldnt be doing that, be careful people have been fined for following it" and the guy started going off his nut.
Scotty Mac
Scotty Mac
SA
2060 posts
SA, 2060 posts
22 Apr 2009 10:29am
Hey Hawk,
I think you need to see it from there point of view. I think you were just way too close if you board hit someone else. If I was surfing and someone hit me with an SUP, I would be pretty peeved also. No excuses for anger but I guess what I am saying is we should all avoid collisions. I know its hard sometimes and I am not sure how its doesnt happen more often, especially on the East Coast.
Regards,
Scott
Diver
Diver
WA
554 posts
WA, 554 posts
22 Apr 2009 9:57am
Sorry to hear that. Are they photos of the damage in the "Photos" section.

Hope you get back out there.

It would be quite intimidating to see a SUP headed straight for you, but then again a mal and or short board can do just as much damage.

It would depend on the situation but generally silence is the best weapon towrds those guys if they are just trying to have a good rant. If it is an accident then give your apology your best shot - if it continues then move away as obviously there is something else going on.

In trying to do the right thing and letting waves through for others and only going the 2nd or 3rd set, I have looked back in amazement when none of the waves are getting caught and those on the inside are following you like faithful little puppy dogs waiting for you to call the waves for them and dropping in / snaking you when you have got your wave.

I reckon the most vocal ones at the moment are the longboarders, they are feigning indigation now that their cosy little arrangement in the line-up has been upset. And aren't they getting even more annoyed when they see their mates paddling out on a SUP.
worrier
worrier
WA
726 posts
WA, 726 posts
22 Apr 2009 10:30am
I think by the time next summer rolls in and there are another 100 or so SUPers in the water it is gonna be really ugly.
Dont envy you blokes in the crowded spots at all
W
firstpoint
firstpoint
QLD
613 posts
QLD, 613 posts
22 Apr 2009 12:56pm
diver is on the money,the longboarders have had their world turned over,i have done both,sup and longboard and know the feeling but i sup most of the time now and can handle the situation with not being too greedy,i can still pick of the sets but give plenty of 'your wave'calls
mollydooka
mollydooka
WA
252 posts
WA, 252 posts
22 Apr 2009 11:43am
Diver said...


I reckon the most vocal ones at the moment are the longboarders, they are feigning indigation now that their cosy little arrangement in the line-up has been upset. And aren't they getting even more annoyed when they see their mates paddling out on a SUP.


Diver, you're spot-on!! 6 weeks ago had my first surf on my new 9'8" sup at a break a few hundred metres south of Margs main break. 3-6 sups out the back (mainly locals), 3 or 4 mals (ditto), & on the inside reform a dozen shortboard- & mal riders. It was nice, no hassle, but we suppers were getting more waves than the mals simply because it was one of those days when it was hard to paddle into on a mal. When I went in one of the older mal-riders (I'm getting up there, he was probably younger than me!!) loudly proclaimed to one of the other "old locals": paddleboarders have ruined it here!! I felt like saying: "listen mate, we used to surf this place on our shortboards in the 70's. When the mals arrived (revived) the shortboarders moved to the inside or down the beach!! The difference is, we're happy to share! But I didn't, I let Mr Grumpy feel justified that he had loudly voiced his opinion within earshot of the Sup infiltrator [}:)]
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5126 posts
VIC, 5126 posts
22 Apr 2009 1:52pm
I think the worst situation is when you get caught inside and just make it over the peak. The board can go over the falls or get caught by the white water and twang out to the end of the leash. If anyone is behind you they can get clobbered.

I don't know how to eliminate this one. Even the most skilful surfer is going to get caught inside sometime.

This can happen to any kind of surfer but it is more critical for SUP and other big boards. You can't just push it through the face like a short board.

Being caught by whitewater is less of a problem. You just turn around and ride the foam in and try again. The big problem is when the big sneaker set hits and you just make it over the top ... or not. :-(
firstpoint
firstpoint
QLD
613 posts
QLD, 613 posts
22 Apr 2009 1:54pm
give them a go on a sub,most times they are hooked,the biggest whingers just wont have a go for fear of likeing it
Diver
Diver
WA
554 posts
WA, 554 posts
22 Apr 2009 12:28pm
Funny thing about the "locals". Generally you can have a good surf, chat and all get on, and then Mr Grumpy paddles out and starts acting like the local beach inspector. Funny I didn't see that "local" in the line up last year

Usually pretty pleased with himself and surrounded by his mates I love it when Mr Grumpy comes out with the inevitable lines...

"SUPs should be banned at this break", "Why don't they / you go somewhere else" or "There are a couple of SUP riders out here that don't have a clue"

Generally these "jokes" are sitting too far out, on a longboard and possibly not as fit as they used to be to get on the waves. Silence usually works, but you really want to reply and burst this guys bubble by saying something like...

"Sometimes a fart can smell like cinnamon, it doesn't mean your butt is a bakery"
mollydooka
mollydooka
WA
252 posts
WA, 252 posts
22 Apr 2009 12:49pm
Diver said...


"Sometimes a fart can smell like cinnamon, it doesn't mean your butt is a bakery"


very funny, I like it!
Peter, that's a fascinating photo of tandem surfing on your profile, & I think those guys should be on "Australia's got talent"
Mike
MIKO
MIKO
QLD
408 posts
QLD, 408 posts
22 Apr 2009 2:49pm
Akhawk, it is a popular topic for people to discuss, "surf craziness" , everyone who surfs any craft has probably been touched by it one way or another. To answer your Question
When i was a lot younger "when Kirra broke the way it should", i saw plenty of aggro in the water from the Burlz boys grabbing guys in the water and dropping rocks on the poor guys board and bashing it, to a carpark fraccas on a long boarder at wategoes for dropping in .
I just got back to the NTH from 10 days tripping from Agnes to Lennox. I was armed with a fish a 9ft er and my 12 ft "redskin" SUP.
The line up at Lennox on Wed when it was crowded was crazy. One sess i reckon everyone had the attitude of BURN or be BURNed. It was probably the most selfish line up i have seen for years, in 2 hours 7 or 8 incidences of guys verballing and pushing others.
I was like the OG, sit back and chuckle.
The aggro mindset of some surfers/areas can been seen for all when venturing to nth nsw. (Probably cause we flogged in the state of origin) you will see it on rocks and signposts at most spots. They read No mals or No Retro fishes or No qlders, no homos,and F... of qlders. funny though i never saw a sign that read no SUP.
I only used the 12ft sup 3 times and had a ball and got good vibes when ever i used it, though i didnot venture into the heart of the line up with it at any of the popular spots.
As some of you have said and i agree some people are threatened by the SUP cause of the paddling ability of the craft and the size and this has caused friction.
Ya gotta ride what is best for the day and get in to it.
Miko

akhawk
akhawk
WA
1085 posts
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22 Apr 2009 2:01pm
Gorgo said...

I think the worst situation is when you get caught inside and just make it over the peak. The board can go over the falls or get caught by the white water and twang out to the end of the leash. If anyone is behind you they can get clobbered.

I don't know how to eliminate this one. Even the most skilful surfer is going to get caught inside sometime.

This can happen to any kind of surfer but it is more critical for SUP and other big boards. You can't just push it through the face like a short board.

Being caught by whitewater is less of a problem. You just turn around and ride the foam in and try again. The big problem is when the big sneaker set hits and you just make it over the top ... or not. :-(


Gorgo, this is exactly what happened to me.

Multihull1
Multihull1
QLD
130 posts
QLD, 130 posts
22 Apr 2009 7:02pm
Firstpoint.....we dont live in a good area Noosa. Its been crowded here for a long time and we both have been here a long,long time. Trying to beat the crowds by surfing different spots at different times of the day. Even paddling out before light at times. I think you could say we have rode everything that floats pretty much.
I started Sup cause the vibe was good for awhile.however i stayed so far away from people they didnt even know i rode a SUP. I joined this forum because the philosophy that most of the members have is what i believe in.Staying away from crowds,able to surf spots not easily accessible by shortboards, waves so small even longboarders aren't interested, for example.
Sadly, the reality is..... it seems already, this philosphy is going out with the tide, down with the swell. I would love to be able to SUP or Longboard or shortboard where i live. Do you really think that we are going to be able to educate all these ______???? like someone said earlier, i should be able to surf my local spot especially since i can surf.
I was so excited about this new sport but already so, so, disillusioned, and yes its because of where i live so do i move??? Been there done that.. or do I give in to surf rage???
Anyone who has any ideas feel free to chime in please
Thanx for listening
Confused angry questioning
mybrosweeper
mybrosweeper
NSW
1016 posts
NSW, 1016 posts
22 Apr 2009 7:23pm
RAGE IS HERE TO STAY-its everywhere,road rage surf rage carpark rage pud and club rage school rage etc.Sorry I dont wont to sound negative,but its the world we live in!!!!!!
Other Robbo
firstpoint
firstpoint
QLD
613 posts
QLD, 613 posts
22 Apr 2009 7:29pm
multihull,do we just forget manners and burn the touro's,i think not,we both know that we can still use our local knowledge to either find a gap in the crowd by surfing before they are allowed out or taking off in the zone and use our knowledge of the break to control the hire boards and backpackers,(dodging floaters can be fun)or do we head for our secret spot that we talked about yesterday. probably all of the above,we live in paradise,crowded as it might be,we will still be in boardies or a short john at most come mid winter still catching uncrowded beachies.southern vic is uncrowded at many breaks but f...k its cold!!!
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
22 Apr 2009 8:15pm
akhawk said...

Gorgo said...

I think the worst situation is when you get caught inside and just make it over the peak. The board can go over the falls or get caught by the white water and twang out to the end of the leash. If anyone is behind you they can get clobbered.

I don't know how to eliminate this one. Even the most skilful surfer is going to get caught inside sometime.

This can happen to any kind of surfer but it is more critical for SUP and other big boards. You can't just push it through the face like a short board.

Being caught by whitewater is less of a problem. You just turn around and ride the foam in and try again. The big problem is when the big sneaker set hits and you just make it over the top ... or not. :-(


Gorgo, this is exactly what happened to me.




All really good points, but there is one golden rule in the surf, "never ever let your board go, caught inside or not when within legrope twanging distance of other people.

If no-one else is near me and I get caught Inside I will bail, but If I am In a crowded line up I hang onto my board and go down with the ship.

It is every sub riders responsibility to wrap your arms and legs around that sucker and hang on for dear life You can not be letting a board that big go In a crowd, you will kill someone

I have had some floggings hanging on when It would have been easy to bail but to crowded.... If I am on my own I will let the board go when I want
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