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Brooko
Brooko
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11 Jun 2008 6:27pm
Ok i guess being on a windsurfing dominated forum its probably self explanotery, i have never windsurfed and dont know anything about it and to be honest have no interest in ever doing it. I purely surf and took up suping to do on smallish days in the surf instead of getting a mal. After having one for a month i love it and relaise i will probably be surfing one for a long time. I have noticed since getting one how many windsurfers have adopted the sport, now im talking about surfing one here, other than the size of the boards there is absolutely no similarities between windsurfing and suping in the surf, it is a lot more like surfing than windsurfing ! so my question is why do so many windsurfers think they will get an sup and be ripping in the surf its not gunna happen ! realise a big can of worms been opened here, but it needed to be said ! Im worried some people gunna be getting these huge boats and putting them in surf where they really shouldnt be, then again surfings always been great for weeding out the kooks. Sorry if it sounds harsh but the surf is already mega crowded, if you rip on one you belong were you please. End rant ! By the way i respect dj and the crew as they probably can surf anyway and was no way directed that way
oliver
oliver
3952 posts
3952 posts
11 Jun 2008 6:37pm
Hey Brooko I hope fishing off my board doesn't upset you?

I can't understand that if you are so happy doing what you are doing why you find the time to care about what other people do with their boards.

I kind of like the idea of people getting into it for different reasons, and trying different things with their boards. I also think in Australia we have enough coastline for everyone.

Ohh, and I hope that knee of yours gets better soon.
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
11 Jun 2008 8:13pm
As a non surfing, windsurfer.....i found it really easy to jump on a SUP and ride waves....ok i'm not shredding them to pieces but I will when my newbie stick arrives tonight ...ha ha




maybe windsurfing in the waves gave me a bit of an idea what to do, but not a lot...


Thats the beauty of sup, it really is a peice of p*** to pick up and if you've got the basics of how waves work ur up and riding within a couple of hours...

Where as with windsurfing, your talking 100's of hours experience before you can even think about getting stuck into the lumpy stuff and comin out unscaved....


Couldn't split the two though, love em both....Brooko...if you've got the time and money I can highly recommend wavesailing.....words cannot describe some of the sessions i've been fortunate enough to score here in WA.
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
11 Jun 2008 8:33pm
Oliver fishing def does not count, i think thats a great way to get a feed for the night And your so right there is heaps of coastline and unsurfed reefs that sups should start tackling. As a surfer i would hate to see inexperienced sups out at well known surf breaks. I think you guys in the bay are having a ball and when you decide to go out in the surf its not at well known surf spots I sure wasnt having a dig at you guys !
Brooko
Brooko
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1672 posts
11 Jun 2008 8:42pm
WINDY MILLER said...

As a non surfing, windsurfer.....i found it really easy to jump on a SUP and ride waves....ok i'm not shredding them to pieces but I will when my newbie stick arrives tonight ...ha ha




maybe windsurfing in the waves gave me a bit of an idea what to do, but not a lot...


Thats the beauty of sup, it really is a peice of p*** to pick up and if you've got the basics of how waves work ur up and riding within a couple of hours...

Where as with windsurfing, your talking 100's of hours experience before you can even think about getting stuck into the lumpy stuff and comin out unscaved....


Couldn't split the two though, love em both....Brooko...if you've got the time and money I can highly recommend wavesailing.....words cannot describe some of the sessions i've been fortunate enough to score here in WA.
Hey Windy thanks for the comments, sure wont be windsurfing anytime soon ! Between surfing and suping i would have no desire or time your comments about after a couple of hours your out in the surf , thats what worries me. When you
learn to surf you go through a sort of apprenticeship as a grommet and learn the ways of the surf and etiquite, someone with 2hrs experience on a 11 ft board out in the surf is purely a terrorist As for wa i lived in Margaret River for the last 20 yrs and have some of the best memories of clean water and deep barrels to last me a lifetime. Good luck with the new board mate.
NewcastleSUP
NewcastleSUP
NSW
250 posts
NSW, 250 posts
11 Jun 2008 11:39pm
Hey Brooko,

I agree & disagree. Surf etiquette is the key. SUP is a diverse sport that covers many angles. It is being marketed as a surfsport as well as a physical fitness routine.
I am fortunate to have quite a few boards, I have my 9'0 for surfing, my 12'0 for cruising with the family and my 16'0 for ocean paddleracing. Some others however do not have this luxury and if I was to have one board it would be my 12'0 as I can surf it as well as enjoy paddles out on the flat water with the dog on the front and in Oliver's case a fishing rod.
I have been involved in the SUP scene in Oz since day one and I am quite amazed how this one sport has brought so many disciplines together from shortboarders, longboarders, kite/windsurfers, lifesavers etc etc all riding the same craft and having fun.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
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12 Jun 2008 12:40am
I also think that most windsurfers (that windsurf in the waves) will pick up SUP quicker and be better at it than most hard core surfers.

That's just my opinion..But I know where you're coming from Brooko....and that's cool...but not all windsurfers are kooks in the waves..

DJ
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
12 Jun 2008 10:24am
DavidJohn said...

I also think that most windsurfers (that windsurf in the waves) will pick up SUP quicker and be better at it than most hard core surfers.

That's just my opinion..But I know where you're coming from Brooko....and that's cool...but not all windsurfers are kooks in the waves..

DJ


Hey dj how are you mate ? i tend to disagree, know one is going to pick up surfing quicker than a surfer full stop ! I know some of the windsurfers around surfers point are no kooks, they rip in 10 - 12 ft surf !!
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
12 Jun 2008 12:45pm
Brooko said...

Ok i guess being on a windsurfing dominated forum its probably self explanotery, i have never windsurfed and dont know anything about it and to be honest have no interest in ever doing it. I purely surf and took up suping to do on smallish days in the surf instead of getting a mal. After having one for a month i love it and relaise i will probably be surfing one for a long time. I have noticed since getting one how many windsurfers have adopted the sport, now im talking about surfing one here, other than the size of the boards there is absolutely no similarities between windsurfing and suping in the surf, it is a lot more like surfing than windsurfing ! so my question is why do so many windsurfers think they will get an sup and be ripping in the surf its not gunna happen ! realise a big can of worms been opened here, but it needed to be said ! Im worried some people gunna be getting these huge boats and putting them in surf where they really shouldnt be, then again surfings always been great for weeding out the kooks. Sorry if it sounds harsh but the surf is already mega crowded, if you rip on one you belong were you please. End rant ! By the way i respect dj and the crew as they probably can surf anyway and was no way directed that way

Other than the size of the boards?
I wave sail and my 70L Evo looks nothing like my 11'2 sup.
Most of the crew I windsurf with surf.
An example of a windsurfer who doesnt surf and has taken on SUP surfing is Miller. He has already posted.
But if you check out some of the photos of him I personally think he rips for someone who has been surfing (SUPing) for not even 6 months!
My roots are surfing (16 years so not as long as most of you blokes) and have only started windsurfing about 4/5 years ago purely for the fact that I was bored stoopid sitting around during summer with nothing to do while the seabreeze was in.
Im kinda surprised that you Brooko havent taken up windsurfing living down the south west?
I personally think that surfers have a tendency to pick up windsurfing and SUPing alot quicker than most people.
And I also think that those who windsurf IN WAVES will pick up SUPing or surfing very quickly
Surfing, windsurfing and SUPing in waves are all totally different sports but all have one thing in common... wave riding

Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
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12 Jun 2008 3:48pm
It also depends on what you mean by surfing. Anybody can learn to surf and have fun doing it. Very few people ever get really good at it.

Very few people ever get to the stage of shredding waves and getting deep barrels and dominating a crowded break. Most of these people have been surfing since they were kids and surf all the time to keep up their skills and fitness.

I think for most people a perfect surf is catching a reasonable number of waves, riding them with the board nicely trimmed and doing turns to stay in the pocket. Make a few sections, avoid getting caught on the inside and avoid being part of any rudeness or embarassment and you have a pretty nice day in the surf.

The latter kind of surfing is fairly easy if you choose the right break, have the right board and a reasonable level of fitness. Arguably the easiest way to do this kind of surfing is on a longboard or a large funboard.

SUP is a little simpler in that you are already standing, the paddle power is greater and you can sometimes get into waves earlier (especially small ones). SUP surfing does require more skill to manouvre the board into position and to time and control the power and direction when catching waves. The weight of the board tends to steamroller the bumps.

It's also more fun just cruising around the back checking stuff out. You don't have to just sit and wait for waves.
P co
P co
WA
458 posts
WA, 458 posts
12 Jun 2008 6:32pm
Nice words Gorgo.
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
13 Jun 2008 11:30am
Thanks for the comments guys good to hear other peoples thoughts on the subject. Gorgo was talking about ironing out bumps and stuff, some of the bumps and chop i have hit on the sup i would get air on a shortboard on, by the way who elses board "sings" when you are flying across the face on big wave, my 11 6" southpoint makes this weird whistli ng noise when i am going really fast ? I think it may have something to do with the fins, it sounds reall cool actually
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
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13 Jun 2008 1:33pm
Tis the fins....Jeez you musta been movin'....Anyone who's a windsurfer knows these things..

DJ
Rex
Rex
WA
949 posts
Rex Rex
WA, 949 posts
13 Jun 2008 11:36am
As a surfer first and then a windsurfer I feel windsurfers( wave sailers) learn to read waves very well from a perspective that a surfer doesnt get to see ( always standing up).

Anyone that has done any ultra light wind wave sailing is almost suping without the paddle anyway, and there is your similarity.

From my experience non surfing windsurfers (wave sailers) that start surfing pick it up relatively fast or at least much faster than a rooky surfer as they already have an understanding of waves.

Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
13 Jun 2008 2:18pm
DavidJohn said...

Tis the fins....Jeez you musta been movin'....Anyone who's a windsurfer knows these things..

DJ


You got me there dj didnt ya, bloody widsurfers wanting the last say
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
13 Jun 2008 10:08pm
Aw come on Brooko... you know you want to
Revvin
Revvin
VIC
299 posts
VIC, 299 posts
8 Jul 2008 12:01pm
Brooko said...

.......by the way who elses board "sings" when you are flying across the face on big wave, my 11 6" southpoint makes this weird whistli ng noise when i am going really fast ? I think it may have something to do with the fins, it sounds reall cool actually


I surfed my new Kalama for the first time last night and on the bigger set waves I got the humming/whistling noise aswell, for the last couple of months I have been riding a kalama demo and a Walden demo and none of them did it.... kinda weird but kinda cool.
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
8 Jul 2008 12:22pm
Try sanding the sharp edge off the trailing edge of the fins.

That might help with the noise..and make it safer for you in a wipeout..and also lessen the chance of your leggie getting cut on the fin.

DJ
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
8 Jul 2008 8:38pm
Hey Revvin do you mean the other 11 6 " kalama did not humm, and the new ones the same board and it does it ? dj i was told about sanding the fin on a surfboard i used to have. I actually like the noise , you know you have caught a good solid wave for it to start humming
Revvin
Revvin
VIC
299 posts
VIC, 299 posts
9 Jul 2008 8:14am
Yeah Brooko, I rode two different Kalama 11'6" demos and neither made the noise, then my newie did.



......Maybe after a couple of months of bumbling around I'm starting to surf them a bit smoother.
Brooko
Brooko
1672 posts
1672 posts
9 Jul 2008 8:50pm
Good choice of board revvin, i love mine ! excpect the deck to lift though if you check past posts you will see how i fixed mine. Yeah my board only seems to humm on over head high fast breaking faces that i am almost trying to out run before they close out ! the board seems perfectly balanced though so i am not worried about it, you kn ow when its humming your on a good one
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