Reports of a good paddle tonight even with a cross lake wind the whole way.

Great effort by Margret for doing the whole lake on a 9'5". Well done.

Brendan is marching up the board as he gets more comfortable on that weapon of a Naish.
I think Marcel was on the same??
Here are the times and new leader board

Hey guys is there wash riding allowed in your time trails or does every one stager start? My feeling is for time trails it should be no wash riding if you want a true time on how you are paddling. Keen to hear your thoughts on either way since you guys have been doing these for a while now.

Cheers jacko

Just noticed Marcel did a PB. Will correct the leader board tonight.

We have the same discussion here and I think its more about the terminology of TT as opposed to race. If everyone starts at the same time and drafting is allowed it is technically speaking a race.

We also call it a TT and if a guy improves his time by riding the wash, its fine. As Swanie says, having a staggered start is much more admin on the part of the timekeeper and we try and keep it as simple as possible as its a weekly thing where paddlers can come an have a quick buzz with no entry fee.

Overall the objective is to get some fitness and improve your paddling skills which in this case includes learning how to paddle fast with other people around you - whether on the wash or not.

RJK said...
I do think it needs to be noted somewhere if you have paddled it solo or not. It's not really fair on the people that put in the solo effort

Not that I'm mentioning names .... Kai Lenny ....

I'd disagree - too much admin and open for interpretation - "He only washed 8% of the time" etc.

Leave it as it is, if everyone knows drafting is involved, it's fair on everyone. Drafting at the sharp end is no mean feat and is an excellent tool for when you go racing - for Kai to wash off a 14' at that speed is not easy - if it was, someone else in your crowd would have done a similar job on a 12'6......I challenge any of you to equal that time next week by "just" riding the wash...

We have beginners here every week - they can't draft off a fast guy, hell, the best guys drop me off the wash from time to time and I'm in the top 10.... it takes skill, fitness and is easier to do on some boards than others.

Some of our top guys use the TT's for training and on purpose sit out of the draft from time to time just to ensure they get the heart-rate pumping and prepare themselves for leading a race or taking a different line out on their own.

If people really want to get sensitive about the drafting component, its just the TT terminology that is wrong. If they are, I welcome them to come and run the TT's with staggered start every single week for no fee....

JonesySUP said...
Very good point Jacko and totally agree.

I'll be having a chat to Swanie tmw about putting a note on all times that have had more than 10% wash riding.

A good Example would be Kai's 12'6 time because he was assised by Trevor on his 14 foot Ace 95% of the lake.

Looking at the list the only un-assisted times would be Raz, Kelly and Beau.

Jonesy

Geez....

How am I ever going to paddle whilst taking notes on how much a person wash rides???? I am flat out counting to 10 at the end let alone remembering who did what. Plus most of you are behind me on the 15'6" (wait a sec whilst I put on a fire suit).

Admin on this for my wife and I is for the love of it but does take a couple of hours per week. The time trials are free for all even though we (the club) pay over $350 a year for the Lake.

Keeping it simple is the key for keeping someone who is prepared to do it otherwise it will not be of interest here or other places for administration. I personally will not be adding anything to it.

Most of my times would be unassisted and I believe 2 weeks ago I had RAz on my tail for 3km and Jonsey there for 4km. I just couldn't latch on to Raz when he passed me(tried though)

Biltong's fastest time also was clean. There would be many PB's in the list on the leader board that were clean runs. Also many that would be assisted with wash riding. My best 12'6" time was done because I was trying to keep the Sunshine Coast 'Leachie' off my tail.

I now it is part of racing and I have tried to pull in on the train from time to time though prefer to go it alone. Part of me hates it when someone gets on my tail as I can feel the drag but then again it is that hatred of them there or the feeling that they might pass me that drives me to go harder to try and shake them (often unsuccessfully) that may be giving me a better time at times.

Basically I think that all areas need to decide on a local point what is allowed. At our Time Trials it has been an accepted thing that it happens and the person normally copes a ribbing for doing it by it has been allowed and will continue to be allowed until the group decides it isn't.

I agree with Jacko, wither allow wash riding or rule it out all together!

There cant be any of this... oh yeah but when you did that time you were wash riding...
Truth is, I dont think there is one person who I haven't seen wash riding. So anyone who currently says that you cant wash ride is a hypocrite.

Until its official ruled out, im not going to use 10% more energy when i dont have to???? haha

An interesting read on effects of wash riding....
www.tapatalk.com:443/?refer=www.network54.com/Forum/135730/thread/1214501126/last-1215039540/Wash+Riding+-+effect+on+the+lead+boat

I am slow and no threat to anyone but I can tell you that if someone sat on my wash for 8ks I'd do a way faster time than if I was on my own.

I don't know how someone on your tail slows you down with drag but being there they put a rocket up most people's butt.

I'm sure I'm not the only person that paddles faster with competition close by than on my own.

cel23 said...
i think it is all apart of it, and im happy for people to wash ride me too.

You can't make that offer if you never take the lead

This is funny stuff Drafting is an accepted practice in almost all sports. If you want to break the lake time trial record you should employ a Bunny or two.Not to mention wash riding is fun , and takes some skill. If you stagger starts this wont give a true indication either. If your the guy out in front who gets wash rode all the time , be happy about it

Well not really - according to the logic any unfair advantage should be eliminated - so a 15'6 should henceforth be eliminated from the lake...and while you're at it why not ban the 14's? They are after all also quicker than the 12'6s and then you also solve the problem of having to police whether the guy drafting the 14 on his 12'6 was over over 16yo or not...