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Bertie
Bertie
NSW
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NSW, 1351 posts
4 Aug 2009 11:42pm
Well i'm up in sunny Darwin for a couple more weeks, and i've been giving my uncles Mistral Pacifico quite a bit of use.
Mainly getting out in the Knee high max slop out the front of the Rapid Creek Mouth, but i'm having one drama in particular:

Why is it that my board will often rail over and spit me off in the take off phase of catching a wave?? it seams to happen worse on smaller waves i think (but not sure)?

Am i just standing too far forward?
Is the stock 28cm fin too big??
Is my take off speed too low?
WTF can i do to stop it??
LSD
LSD
VIC
763 posts
LSD LSD
VIC, 763 posts
4 Aug 2009 11:55pm
Well Bertie......the board looks ok....so it must be you, learn to surf it.
Sorry for being blunt

(keep an eye on the forward rail.....maybe take a step back. paddle fast in your nomal surfing stance)
DavidJohn
DavidJohn
VIC
17570 posts
VIC, 17570 posts
4 Aug 2009 11:56pm
I think it's because you're not getting back enough..

Trying to turn these big things from mid way will often make them screw the wrong way that you want it to go and rail up and spit you off.

DJ
laceys lane
laceys lane
QLD
19804 posts
QLD, 19804 posts
4 Aug 2009 11:57pm
Bertie said...

Well i'm up in sunny Darwin for a couple more weeks, and i've been giving my uncles Mistral Pacifico quite a bit of use.
Mainly getting out in the Knee high max slop out the front of the Rapid Creek Mouth, but i'm having one drama in particular:

Why is it that my board will often rail over and spit me off in the take off phase of catching a wave?? it seams to happen worse on smaller waves i think (but not sure)?

Am i just standing too far forward?
Is the stock 28cm fin too big??
Is my take off speed too low?
WTF can i do to stop it??



mate that happened to me a bit when i started, for me was just getting better . you will learn what fin you need, but the main thing is keep working at it. also you might be a little too far forward on take off
cheers
OG SUP
OG SUP
VIC
3516 posts
VIC, 3516 posts
5 Aug 2009 8:57am
Hey Bertie,

The longer boards dont release well except from the tail. I had smilar problems with the Laird 12 fter.

On take off you need to step forward to get momentum down the wave and then get back fast to make the bottom turn.

Normally the fin the supplied has to much base area and this makes the board track on take off. Using a more upright cut away fin will assit in this area.



Also with the Mistral you effectively have a large longboard with lots of swing weight, so you need to get back as far on the tail as you can. Your back foot needs to be over the middle of the center fin for the board to release properly other wise you will pull a rail all the time.

Put a line of wax across the the board from side to side to locate your foot or something you can feel that will locate your foot in the right spot.

The lighter weight you are the further back you will need to get.

Hope this helps.

Phill
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
5 Aug 2009 8:57am
Bertie, when you're starting out on small waves with a big board don't angle the take off too much. If you do angle the take off then put too much pressure on to one foot you will catch the rail (whilst prone paddling - I tend to sink the right rail as I paddle on the right and push against the pressure with my right leg).

Try catching the waves 90 degrees to the face with a nice even pressure on both feet, then turn as soon as you feel the acceleration.

Good luck - it's an awesome feeling!
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
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NSW, 1173 posts
5 Aug 2009 9:00am
OG SUP said...


Also with the Mistral you effectively have a large longboard with lots of swing weight, so you need to get back as far on the tail as you can. Your back foot needs to be over the middle of the center fin for the board to release properly other wise you will pull a rail all the time.


Are you talking about catching a wave or riding a wave? When I used to surf my 11'6" I caught the waves with my feet in the middle of the board and only moved to the tail when on the wave. Seems tough catching a wave with your back foot above the centre fin...
JB Mel
JB Mel
QLD
297 posts
QLD, 297 posts
5 Aug 2009 10:57am
Hey Berti,

Hope you don't mind getting advice from a novice, but I learned to surf on a mistral pacifico and had the same problem. All was solved once husband pointed out that back foot needed to be just about on the mistral logo for me to make it turn.

I then went through a phase of getting both feet too far back and falling off all the time!!! But eventually got the process right: stay 'front on' with the board at 90 degrees until the wave really picks you up then jump back to the surf stance, (back foot on the logo and front foot half way betwen there and the mast hole) and make the bottom turn.

Had no probs with the stock fin at this point but once I started trying to get the board to turn back the other way, husband decided it was time for shallower and more raked fin.

Happy Surfing
Mel
billboard
billboard
QLD
2819 posts
QLD, 2819 posts
5 Aug 2009 12:00pm
Agree with OG - the big beasts quite often require you to take a bit of a step forward to get your momentum onto the face and then get back quickly to at least the back quarter or further of the board and get that turn in. start getting used to laying the paddle on the water on the side you are turning too also cos it will give you a bit of an outrigger effect and may stop you falling. Big boards turn unreal and just take a while to get that sweet spot for the initial turn. As far as fins go stick the bloody thing roughly in the middle of the box and don't get talked into changing fins all the time - get used to the board and it will just happen. too many people are way to prone to blame their equipment and not their lack of ability or perserverence. Most sups/mals/shortys come supplied with fins that work really well for most people on that type of board - when the time comes way down the track then play with the fins a bit but until then enjoy the ride and just get used to moving around on the board and see just what works and what doesn't in different conditions.
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
NSW, 1351 posts
5 Aug 2009 11:13pm
cheers everyone

I spent another hour plus on the water thisarvo and seam to be doing a bit better.

The biggest problem i think was me being too far forward.
I've begun to develop a kind of style running forwards and back heaps to keep on the wave. Up here the waves have no grunt and dont stand up very vertical ( think riding wind chop ). I guess learning when to run forward and knowing how far back to go helps. I get the feeling the board could be really loose if you get right on the tail on a larger wave that has some grunt!

I dont think the A frame side slop helps things either , but practice is making things much easier. I cant wait to get back to WA and ride some real swell!!!!
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