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OG SUP
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21 Oct 2014 9:20pm

Macaha said..

OG SUP said..
The key selling point on going to the National SUP titles is that it is the path way to ISA Titles, my question is are the ISA titles even relevant?

You have arguably our top competitors blowing ISA off for the World Tour and rightly so from a commercial point of view!

If the SUP racing does go to the Olympics it will almost certainly be sprint racing or distance on a flat water course so conditions can be guaranteed!

That almost certainly takes out BOP and DW!

And SUP surfing won't get a look in for the same reason Surfing doesn't they can't afford a holding period.

How exactly does the pathway to ISA advantage the SUP sport or does it get ISA the holly grail it has always wanted but can't achieve?

Surely you would be better off with 4 or 5 main AUSUP Events Nationally and structuring them so you build not dissipate the numbers.

Back to hibernation for the grizzly.



Don't take this the wrong way,but do you really think that sup will make the Olympic games? Do you guys know that this may happen in the near future or is it a dream?



surfershaneA said..


OG SUP said..

Why would anyone invest the cash to travel and surf this dribble?



The same people who go every year? Admittedly another serious barrier to entry for fresh meat?


Macha I went to the Sport Accord Conference in Turkey this year and luck would have it ISA was there to promote many things including the SUP Sport to the Olympic delegates. As I wanted to see the SUP Demo I took some time out at lunch to catch the show.

1) It was almost impossible to find the Demo, I asked several people in and around the hotel and finally after 30+ mins found it way out the back in a pool.

2) not sure if the crowd increased but after waiting 25mins there was a crowd of about 10 and none looked like olympic delegates easy to spot with their accreditations!

Maybe its not about progressing the sport maybe its about the grants you can secure trying?
OG SUP
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21 Oct 2014 9:23pm
surfershaneA said..

OG SUP said..

Why would anyone invest the cash to travel and surf this dribble?



The same people who go every year? Admittedly another serious barrier to entry for fresh meat?


Shane the old meat is slowly rotting away and the fresh meat is way gun-shy SUP will run out of issues and competitors about the same time oh and grants too!
OG SUP
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21 Oct 2014 9:39pm
goatman said..

OG SUP said..
When you have a SUP surfer the quality of Jackson Close saying it was pure luck anyone could have won in the poor conditions surely you have to take notice.

Watching the video if you squint it looked like 1ft ugly wind swell.

How long do we expect people to compete in these sub standard ridiculous conditions?

Why would anyone invest the cash to travel and surf this dribble?



Totally agree OG. As I said after last years Nationals, never again if it is on the Goldy at this time of the year.

Port Macquarie in August was great, also it was nice being part of the overall Australian Surfing Titles.

One of the main reasons I surf SUPed was for the competition side of things and without a decent Nats to aim towards it's kinda pointless.



Goaty I watched Kristi who literally lived to compete in SUP since she was 11 or 12 become so disillusioned with what was going on last year, she just said never again!

I had to agree its not worth paying to experience the BS and the politics.







Macaha
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22 Oct 2014 6:34pm
righto still no results of the race posted on sb?
laceys lane
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22 Oct 2014 7:23pm
Macaha said...
righto still no results of the race posted on sb?


Try surfing aus. I would think it would be up on their web page mac
Legion
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22 Oct 2014 5:24pm
Good to see OG still gets red thumbed every post
tightlines
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22 Oct 2014 5:44pm
Macaha said..
righto still no results of the race posted on sb?


Results here
http://www.australiansuptitles.com/results/

It's a shame they haven't got the overall results from first to last, (they are divided into,different divisions) but the times etc are there.

The surf may not have been the best, but the good surfers still shone (and I wasn't in it anyway)

I thought the BOP was held in great conditions (well not for me but overall )

As for the Marathon, given the the choice I would have preferred a straight downwinder but we all had to do the upwind leg and in a way it made it interesting and made us appreciate rounding the marker to start the last downwind leg so much more.




laceys lane
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22 Oct 2014 7:57pm
tightlines said...
Macaha said..
righto still no results of the race posted on sb?


Results here
http://www.australiansuptitles.com/results/

It's a shame they haven't got the overall results from first to last, (they are divided into,different divisions) but the times etc are there.

The surf may not have been the best, but the good surfers still shone (and I wasn't in it anyway)

I thought the BOP was held in great conditions (well not for me but overall )

As for the Marathon, given the the choice I would have preferred a straight downwinder but we all had to do the upwind leg and in a way it made it interesting and made us appreciate rounding the marker to start the last downwind leg so much more.







Why did you have to do a up wind leg . Is there a stop, do not pass currumbin sign out off the rocks or something
teatrea
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22 Oct 2014 8:06pm
Just out of interest what where the waves like that weekend in other states? Pretty hard to get good conditions when your relying on a
3 or 4 day window. Only gripe i have with surf Aus is the god damn cost of the events , way to expensive.
ockanui
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23 Oct 2014 8:40am
The Nationals was a fantastic event in a top location, the bop was held in perfect conditions, the marathon was grueling but appropriately so, the surf conditions apart from the first morning was disappointing though.. I thought QLD was supposed to be perfect every day?. The best surfer in the final still won the event.

From a team managers perspective the event was extremely well run, communication from officials to competitors was very good, the feedback from all those Vicco's who competed was positive, Surfing Aus after consultation with a few locals in the know changed the bop course to suit advice and conditions. They are trying to make it work for all and I think there are many great aspects of this event that have been overlooked, it just seems the whingers just want to have a whinge?.

From what I have seen and heard, there is a lot happening behind the scene to continue to make this comp better than the last.

Sup is made up of 3 different genres with 3 differing sets of conditions required, maybe the best way is to split the surfing side to have a standalone event when conditions would provide the best chance of suitable conditions, mind you I have seen the Bells comp held in crap conditions too. Goodluck with that.....

As far as the cost of entry goes, when all those who travelled from interstate with board transport, car hire accommodation etc etc that cost seems inconsequential, I think it cost the WA crew $6000 to just get the boards over let alone time spent in organizing that....

You are very lucky indeed for those living in QLD to have the event in your backyard.



petedorries
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23 Oct 2014 8:21am



ockanui said..
The Nationals was a fantastic event in a top location, the bop was held in perfect conditions, the marathon was grueling but appropriately so, the surf conditions apart from the first morning was disappointing though.. I thought QLD was supposed to be perfect every day?. The best surfer in the final still won the event.

From a team managers perspective the event was extremely well run, communication from officials to competitors was very good, the feedback from all those Vicco's who competed was positive, Surfing Aus after consultation with a few locals in the know changed the bop course to suit advice and conditions. They are trying to make it work for all and I think there are many great aspects of this event that have been overlooked, it just seems the whingers just want to have a whinge?.

From what I have seen and heard, there is a lot happening behind the scene to continue to make this comp better than the last.

Sup is made up of 3 different genres with 3 differing sets of conditions required, maybe the best way is to split the surfing side to have a standalone event when conditions would provide the best chance of suitable conditions, mind you I have seen the Bells comp held in crap conditions too. Goodluck with that.....

As far as the cost of entry goes, when all those who travelled from interstate with board transport, car hire accommodation etc etc that cost seems inconsequential, I think it cost the WA crew $6000 to just get the boards over let alone time spent in organizing that....

You are very lucky indeed for those living in QLD to have the event in your backyard.






I feel you just summed it up perfectly.

Everyone has legitimate concerns or gripes but at the end of the day just get in there and support the event by either competing or been a spectator.
magillamelb
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23 Oct 2014 9:47am
OG SUP said..

goatman said..


OG SUP said..
When you have a SUP surfer the quality of Jackson Close saying it was pure luck anyone could have won in the poor conditions surely you have to take notice.

Watching the video if you squint it looked like 1ft ugly wind swell.

How long do we expect people to compete in these sub standard ridiculous conditions?

Why would anyone invest the cash to travel and surf this dribble?




Totally agree OG. As I said after last years Nationals, never again if it is on the Goldy at this time of the year.

Port Macquarie in August was great, also it was nice being part of the overall Australian Surfing Titles.

One of the main reasons I surf SUPed was for the competition side of things and without a decent Nats to aim towards it's kinda pointless.




Goaty I watched Kristi who literally lived to compete in SUP since she was 11 or 12 become so disillusioned with what was going on last year, she just said never again!

I had to agree its not worth paying to experience the BS and the politics.









Yawn....

In any sport, the best competitors rise to the occasion and compete in what mother nature hands out on the day. Someone on the day will be very happy, some will not. That's sport and why we play it.

A national championship is supposed to be a test of skill, resolve, fitness and technical and tactical acumen. It doesn't have to be in picture perfect conditions. It just needs to be run well. There have been a few bumps in the road as there is for any emerging sport, but there is also a steep learning curve where opportunity for significant improvement exists. In most cases, the people that matter are on that steep learning curve and are doing their best to make a difference and progress the sport.

If you want to effect change, get involved. Throwing rocks from the sidelines achieves nothing and leaves the rock throwers to a life of bitching and perpetual disappointment. Being involved or throwing rocks is a very simple choice.
goatman
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23 Oct 2014 3:03pm
teatrea said..
Just out of interest what where the waves like that weekend in other states? Pretty hard to get good conditions when your relying on a
3 or 4 day window. Only gripe i have with surf Aus is the god damn cost of the events , way to expensive.



Here's what I surfed on Thursday/Friday Teatree

Sat on the South Coast was almost as good - had a bucks weekend in Ulladulla.

Lower East Coast of NSW has been pumping recently. Clearly the time of the year is the issue here as much as the location. Not whinging just giving feedback on why I don't bother with SUP surf comps anymore. Yeah best surfer usually wins in cr@P but it aint much fun.
husq2100
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23 Oct 2014 2:20pm
goatman said..

teatrea said..
Just out of interest what where the waves like that weekend in other states? Pretty hard to get good conditions when your relying on a
3 or 4 day window. Only gripe i have with surf Aus is the god damn cost of the events , way to expensive.




Here's what I surfed on Thursday/Friday Teatree

Sat on the South Coast was almost as good - had a bucks weekend in Ulladulla.

Lower East Coast of NSW has been pumping recently. Clearly the time of the year is the issue here as much as the location. Not whinging just giving feedback on why I don't bother with SUP surf comps anymore. Yeah best surfer usually wins in cr@P but it aint much fun.


As a Gold Coaster and newb surfer, even I know this is a bad time of the year. Winter is no swell except the odd freak couple of days, and late spring into summer is mostly northerly winds, which means only off shore, very early am, up the far north end. So basicly this time of yeah a betting man would back small crappy surf.....
teatrea
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23 Oct 2014 2:38pm
You got meI think their building a wave pool up here, problem solved
PTWoody
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23 Oct 2014 5:11pm
ockanui said..

Sup is made up of 3 different genres with 3 differing sets of conditions required




By my count there are at least 7 genres of SUP. Not all are competitive and most don't involve surf and the open ocean. Not that this has anything to do with Surfing Australia or the national titles, of course, I'm just being a pedant. And no, you can't be arrested for that.
OG SUP
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23 Oct 2014 8:04pm
magillamelb said..

OG SUP said..


goatman said..



OG SUP said..
When you have a SUP surfer the quality of Jackson Close saying it was pure luck anyone could have won in the poor conditions surely you have to take notice.

Watching the video if you squint it looked like 1ft ugly wind swell.

How long do we expect people to compete in these sub standard ridiculous conditions?

Why would anyone invest the cash to travel and surf this dribble?





Totally agree OG. As I said after last years Nationals, never again if it is on the Goldy at this time of the year.

Port Macquarie in August was great, also it was nice being part of the overall Australian Surfing Titles.

One of the main reasons I surf SUPed was for the competition side of things and without a decent Nats to aim towards it's kinda pointless.





Goaty I watched Kristi who literally lived to compete in SUP since she was 11 or 12 become so disillusioned with what was going on last year, she just said never again!

I had to agree its not worth paying to experience the BS and the politics.










Yawn....

In any sport, the best competitors rise to the occasion and compete in what mother nature hands out on the day. Someone on the day will be very happy, some will not. That's sport and why we play it.

A national championship is supposed to be a test of skill, resolve, fitness and technical and tactical acumen. It doesn't have to be in picture perfect conditions. It just needs to be run well. There have been a few bumps in the road as there is for any emerging sport, but there is also a steep learning curve where opportunity for significant improvement exists. In most cases, the people that matter are on that steep learning curve and are doing their best to make a difference and progress the sport.

If you want to effect change, get involved. Throwing rocks from the sidelines achieves nothing and leaves the rock throwers to a life of bitching and perpetual disappointment. Being involved or throwing rocks is a very simple choice.


Stuart,

Let me be blunt how long have you been involved in SUP I make it about 12 months or so maybe 18 ???

I have run several SUP club competitions for SUP Vic that attracted the same or more competitors than attend the SUP Surfing at nationals this year and definitely double that of the state comp so I might just have a clue!

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing the same way and getting a worse outcome!

Your on the SUP Vic committee lead from the front Stuart lets she what you got mate, show us the way!

Or as they say in Sailing STOW IT!






laceys lane
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23 Oct 2014 7:21pm
I must be losing my mind.

When did paddlling upwind become a good a good thing.

its just a big sellout for a dam plastic carrot
OG SUP
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23 Oct 2014 8:30pm
laceys lane said..
I must be losing my mind.

When did paddlling upwind become a good a good thing.

its just a big sellout for a dam plastic carrot


Lacey your looking for sense where there is none, give it up LOL
OG SUP
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23 Oct 2014 8:38pm
Legion said..
Good to see OG still gets red thumbed every post


Legion,

Where is the annoying Dog?

Would you buy a green F40 me thinks not, It would be red that my theory any way!
laceys lane
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23 Oct 2014 7:41pm
Actually I do have it wrong. After the success of the aussie titles up wind leg hundreds of aussie paddlers are booking for maui next year to paddle the famed maliko upwind run.

Sure its dear said one paddler, but you don, t get better upwind paddling then this
Macaha
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23 Oct 2014 8:02pm



E T
E T
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23 Oct 2014 8:22pm
Oh dear, it seems to me that you lads have lost your way.
When was paddling/ surfing ever about winning or prizes or who was the best.
When you stop thinking that way you may get your answers.

ET.
magillamelb
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23 Oct 2014 9:30pm
OG SUP said..



magillamelb said..




OG SUP said..





goatman said..






OG SUP said..
When you have a SUP surfer the quality of Jackson Close saying it was pure luck anyone could have won in the poor conditions surely you have to take notice.

Watching the video if you squint it looked like 1ft ugly wind swell.

How long do we expect people to compete in these sub standard ridiculous conditions?

Why would anyone invest the cash to travel and surf this dribble?








Totally agree OG. As I said after last years Nationals, never again if it is on the Goldy at this time of the year.

Port Macquarie in August was great, also it was nice being part of the overall Australian Surfing Titles.

One of the main reasons I surf SUPed was for the competition side of things and without a decent Nats to aim towards it's kinda pointless.








Goaty I watched Kristi who literally lived to compete in SUP since she was 11 or 12 become so disillusioned with what was going on last year, she just said never again!

I had to agree its not worth paying to experience the BS and the politics.











Yawn....

In any sport, the best competitors rise to the occasion and compete in what mother nature hands out on the day. Someone on the day will be very happy, some will not. That's sport and why we play it.

A national championship is supposed to be a test of skill, resolve, fitness and technical and tactical acumen. It doesn't have to be in picture perfect conditions. It just needs to be run well. There have been a few bumps in the road as there is for any emerging sport, but there is also a steep learning curve where opportunity for significant improvement exists. In most cases, the people that matter are on that steep learning curve and are doing their best to make a difference and progress the sport.

If you want to effect change, get involved. Throwing rocks from the sidelines achieves nothing and leaves the rock throwers to a life of bitching and perpetual disappointment. Being involved or throwing rocks is a very simple choice.





Stuart,

Let me be blunt how long have you been involved in SUP I make it about 12 months or so maybe 18 ???

I have run several SUP club competitions for SUP Vic that attracted the same or more competitors than attend the SUP Surfing at nationals this year and definitely double that of the state comp so I might just have a clue!

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing the same way and getting a worse outcome!

Your on the SUP Vic committee lead from the front Stuart lets she what you got mate, show us the way!

Or as they say in Sailing STOW IT!








Well OG, having been involved in competitive sailing at every level over a career of more than 4 decades, I've never heard that term used in the manner you have used it.

Just because we 'have a clue' about doing some things in life, doesn't mean we necessarily do them well. My racing or surfing ability on a SUP being a case in point.

In Victoria, memberships are up, participation is up, our results at a national level get better year on year, and our social events are well subscribed. We have new systems and strategies in place that are already yielding results. The future has rarely looked brighter overall and the surfing calendar has never looked more promising, so I'd say we are making great inroads and building on very good legacies, but there is much more to do.

I've chosen to get involved, to help make a difference and grow the sport.

Would you like another box of rocks?
magillamelb
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23 Oct 2014 9:32pm
Macaha said..




Love your work Macaha!

Macaha
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23 Oct 2014 8:34pm



magillamelb
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23 Oct 2014 9:36pm

Mmmm... Shiny Silver & Purple. Would look great next to the pool table!
laceys lane
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23 Oct 2014 8:36pm
you just wait till it flares up nex door again mrt mac.



you've been put on notice mr days of our lives'
husq2100
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23 Oct 2014 8:49pm
E T said..
Oh dear, it seems to me that you lads have lost your way.
When was paddling/ surfing ever about winning or prizes or who was the best.
When you stop thinking that way you may get your answers.

ET.


Seriously???

when it is a comp to find the best in state or country is exactly about that!

All these people are trying to add is what they think is not great currently. And since there are only 5 in each division that are talked about as being up the top, its the rest of the punters "having a go/fun" that make it all viable. I think all people want is to see more numbers at the comps and the comps the best they can be.

If the Nationals have to be held this time of year due to other things SA have going on, I seriously hope it leaves QLD for better waves. Seems the racing can be held almost anywhere given the way its been run up here so Id say the surfing is suffering the most.

But I really have no horse in this race or experience with comps from either side of the fence.


SandS
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