Will The New 14' be Faster Than The 20' ?

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LSD
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25 Sep 2009 8:56pm
It's 24" wide & about 12 kg, the 20' is 26" wide & 14 kg, same bottom shape ......place your bets....
I suspect the 14' will be a tad faster..? What do you think..?

Not sanded yet




The 20'

SurfeeChick
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25 Sep 2009 9:06pm
Hey Yoda nice glass job that

Hang on does that have a fin right at the back?????????????

That will never work
Piros
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25 Sep 2009 9:32pm
Dean love the left field design but ...WTF.... is that thing at the back plus the thing on the nose ? It's a Hyrodynamics festival ....what are your thoughts behind this design the slightest bump will make this board track.

Piros
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25 Sep 2009 10:00pm
Piros said...

Dean love the left field design but ...WTF.... is that thing at the back plus the thing on the nose ? It's a Hyrodynamics festival ....what are your thoughts behind this design the slightest bump will make this board track.

Piros


WTF?.....Well I couldn't afford a finbox & couldnt be bothered foiling a fin anyway....I had plenty of scrap carbon....so I just stuck it on the back.......don't you think it will work?
My feeling is the 20' er has too much area, I've reduced that in the 14'
The WTF fins & things....they are just put there to upset & anoy people on this forum, they couldn't posibly make the board go as straight as an arrow....now could they
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25 Sep 2009 10:03pm
SurfeeChick said...

Hey Yoda nice glass job that

Hang on does that have a fin right at the back?????????????

That will never work



(Told ya they wouldnt like that black thing on the back)

ps ...see ya in tha soup tomorrow!
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25 Sep 2009 10:08pm
Oh it's a fin..... I thought there was a big dag hanging off the back..

I reckon the new 14'er might be quicker.. it's lighter, smaller, more narrow and less wetted area.

DJ
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25 Sep 2009 10:14pm
DavidJohn said...

Oh it's a fin..... I thought there was a big dag hanging off the back..

I reckon the new 14'er might be quicker.. it's lighter, smaller, more narrow and less wetted area.

DJ


Yeah ....it does look like something a bush mechanic would leave hangin off the tail.
DJ..... You can be the test pilot...I'll paddle the 20' & Oliver can paddle the other 14'......one lap of the river winner take all
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25 Sep 2009 10:17pm
hi, i can see what you are doing,however i have played a lot with fin positions and imo when a fin gets too far back, the board goes all weird and paddles like a dog. i think a fin up the front of a box generally goes faster and free-ier, but handles badly, so i gradually move it back till i just hit that place mentioned above. i look forward to see how it goes for you and your comments after trying it
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lacey said...

hi, i can see what you are doing,however i have played a lot with fin positions and imo when a fin gets too far back, the board goes all weird and paddles like a dog. i think a fin up the front of a box generally goes faster and free-ier, but handles badly, so i gradually move it back till i just hit that place mentioned above. i look forward to see how it goes for you and your comments after trying it
cheers



Lacey
Thanks for the input/suggestions about bottom shape. I decided to compare apples with apples in regard to that particular area of the boards.
That black thing hangin of the back.....it was really an after thought & a bit less work.
I will be evaluating the board before it's painted so mods can be done. It will be educational to see how it goes.
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25 Sep 2009 10:56pm




The WTF fins & things....they are just put there to upset & anoy people on this forum, they couldn't posibly make the board go as straight as an arrow....now could they



I totally agree but at some stage you need to change course ,we are not racing in a swimming pool even in a lake you will get a push from swell. Love the design though....keep em coming.

Piros

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25 Sep 2009 11:42pm
Piros said...





The WTF fins & things....they are just put there to upset & anoy people on this forum, they couldn't posibly make the board go as straight as an arrow....now could they



I totally agree but at some stage you need to change course ,we are not racing in a swimming pool even in a lake you will get a push from swell. Love the design though....keep em coming.

Piros




The 20' & 14' are not designed for sea, although they will work on any flat water.
They are aimed at the nearby river, when the sea is too rough its nice to paddle glassy water.

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25 Sep 2009 11:55pm
Hey Piros,

I brought up the turning thing too,

However a little bit of lateral thinking by Yoda has that covered I assure you.

He has all bases, the pitcher, the girls in the bleachers and the hot dog vendor all covered

Phill
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OG SUP said...

Hey Piros,

I brought up the turning thing too,

However a little bit of lateral thinking by Yoda has that covered I assure you.

He has all bases, the pitcher, the girls in the bleachers and the hot dog vendor all covered

Phill


to me the front bow fin looks smaller and more refined. i'm guessing from the photo's there is a touch of rocker on this board. so i'm guess there will be a paddling position where the bow will be pressed down and the front fin in the water and when there needs to be a correction of course the paddler will step back a bit effectively lifting the bow fin clear of the water and correction strokes made, then step back forward again!!!!
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26 Sep 2009 1:37am
It's all starting to make sense ...not current ...no wind ...no swell...this board will win.
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26 Sep 2009 7:53am
Hey Guys,

Kristi, Nicki and Nesha all did a little bit of glassing on the bottom of this board. Master Yoda shared some secret 20ft board racing business with us.

We all had to do this weird hand shake thing then sacrifice a 14kg production board with a chainsaw whilst over looking Damiens before he would tell us.

The final test was the girls had to play table tenis whilst rip sticking on a 2 wheeled skate boards around the table tenis table "NO SH!T"

Oh and Yoda's table tenis table will support about 3 tons.

Even the ping pong balls have carbon fiber reinfocement and are off ceter weighted with resin to make life more challenging.

I love his work lol.

Phill

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26 Sep 2009 8:34am
Regarding the weird fins, as we all know the further away from our feet the rear fin is, the less a board will yaw. If I had put a fin box in, this distance would have been reduced 12" or so, the black ugly thing swept as far back as possible just maximises the resistance to yaw, so with every paddle stroke a little more forward direction is produced, instead of snaking down the river.
The sweep is for two reasons, obviously the point I have just mentioned, & weed, there can be a fair bit in the river at times.
The forward fin is made for the same reasons, not to catch weed & as forwadrd as possible to maximise effect.
The result is a board that is a pleasure to paddle, greatly reducing the board yawing away along the intended track.
To turn the boards, the method is no different to any board, a sweep stroke here & there to guide along a course, or to round a buoy, step back, nose out & a few sweeps...off you go in the opposite direction. (or you can cheat....leave the board flat on the water, turn yourself on the board & take off the other way bacwards)

I would even suggest the 14' nash downwinder if paddled bacwards with a fin taped near the nose, & the tail fin left were it is, would go faster on FLAT WATER. Rather than pushing that huge nose lift through the water & yawing along.
Could you imagine a bush mechanic doin that at the recent canal race in Germany....& doing well
Hey DJ, I have a spare fin & duct tape we can do a "myth busters"


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26 Sep 2009 8:46am
Hey LSD check out this fin set up from Tahoe SUP
tahoesup.com/
I used this board in a race at Tahoe in August. The wind was blowing hard from about 10 oclock off the bow for most of the race and this board kept a remarkably straight course. I was on a 12'6 and beat most of the guys on the 18s mainly because the had trouble stopping their boards from yauling severely off line.
Dave
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BWDave said...

Hey LSD check out this fin set up from Tahoe SUP
tahoesup.com/
I used this board in a race at Tahoe in August. The wind was blowing hard from about 10 oclock off the bow for most of the race and this board kept a remarkably straight course. I was on a 12'6 and beat most of the guys on the 18s mainly because the had trouble stopping their boards from yauling severely off line.
Dave


Right on Dave,
You can see where I'm comming from, you can increase that effect by a small nose fin, it's a great advantage in head winds.
The tahosup location is a good idea for rougher water, turning etc
Cheers
Dean
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