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tonbi
tonbi
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13 May 2010 8:53am
thanks for the comment on this carbon boards. this is moulded PVC double sandwich vacuum press w/wet hand vacuum bag lamination. great looking board but you will surprise how this board work in the waves. it has flex and torsion control. as we all know carbon has best quick response memories back to natural rocker after twist or flex your doing drive turn.
CMC
CMC
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CMC CMC
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13 May 2010 4:56pm
Moulded EPS Core, PVC skin and then glassed in Carbon and then vacuum bagged??

Is there a 2 or 4oz cloth over the carbon also?

cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
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NSW, 2528 posts
13 May 2010 5:44pm
I beleive the 2-3mm PVC/SAN cores are bagged/pressed down seperatly to the laminate into probably 1-2mm of "adhesive" a.k.a. bog - you'd never get it to stay in the right spot if you didn't. And then the laminates are laminated and bagged.

I doubt there's glass laminate over the Carbon, it would just add weight and cost (glass, resin, labor). Probably just hot coated, sanded, and polished. If you where glassing over the top you might as well use 80gram carbon as the first layer for the look and then put the heavier glass layers down.

My Question - are you thermo forming the PVC before gluing it to the blank?
tonbi
tonbi
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3 posts
14 May 2010 8:15am
I use press mould to vacuum PVC to EPS core. I don't use 2-4oz fiber glass on top of carbon.
no need. I use mitsubishi japan carbon. very tight weave. I use 4 oz e-glass under PVC. S-glass is too stiff. S-glass makes de-lam after flex many time. I try this many time before.
I use vending PVC vacuum mould to to make PVC in perfect shape before go inside mould.
I use 1/8" PVC top and bottom. I don't use high density foam under fin area. I have better technique. high density block kill my flex and torsion pattern.

I although make custom SUP. 9'1" x 29" x 3"3/4 quad + channel box. this board weight is 6.4kg.
tested in Hawaiian water. if you have chance please go to Tropical blends llc to test this board!
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
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NSW, 2528 posts
14 May 2010 3:32pm
I take it your using the 4oz glass as the "bonding layer" for the PVC?

with the "inner" and "outer" skins do you think you could "melt" the ePS out and still have a ridable board?

tonbi said...
if you have chance please go to Tropical blends llc to test this board!


OK - see you in a week I'll be the big bloke sporting a Canadian accent
tonbi
tonbi
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3 posts
14 May 2010 1:50pm
4 oz is not just bonding EPS and PVC. there is more meaning to it. I can't tell you sorry.
what I can say is it's all about flex and torsion. EPS dose melt over 70 centigrade degree. PVC can hold more then EPS. inner and outer skin? that is why this type construction call SANDWICH. originally this type construction come from air plain flap wing and magnetize train body. very hard and light and less vibration. I been doing this construction for windsurf and surfboard for over 20 years. for custom shape and pressing boards in Japan.

hope you can make it Hawaii. so you can test it your self.
cRAZY Canuk
cRAZY Canuk
NSW
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NSW, 2528 posts
14 May 2010 4:13pm
tonbi said...

4 oz is not just bonding EPS and PVC. there is more meaning to it. I can't tell you sorry.


Sorry poorly worded - it was more I'm assuming your not adding extra adhesive to glue the PVC down and your putting the PVC core on while the glass is wet.

tonbi said...

EPS dose melt over 70 centigrade degree. PVC can hold more then EPS.


Drop of accetone can work too (depending on grade - not very nice to do though) - If I remember correctly and depending on what PVC your using it should be upwards of 90-100° centigrade

tonbi said...

inner and outer skin? that is why this type construction call SANDWICH. originally this type construction come from air plain flap wing and magnetize train body. very hard and light and less vibration.


If you took the eps out the glass would be the "inner skin" and the carbon would be the "outer skin" - sorry poorly worded again - more a though of would the board strong enough with out the eps in the centre?


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