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ockanui
ockanui
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9 May 2011 6:18pm
brrr its getting cold in the mornings now in Vicco, what sort of keep warm clothing do you blokes wear for paddling on the Bay, wetsuits are too hot, tracksuits are just not on, sharkskins?
Ali Cat
Ali Cat
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9 May 2011 6:31pm
Get yourself some good compression gear - Skins/BSc/2XU - and i'm sure there are others too.

I know it's not as cold up here, but training before sunrise in the middle of winter is still a little chilly. I also wore them paddling on some cold autumn days in holland last year and they kept me warm enough.

I've found the BodyScience compression gear to be pretty good - i reckon it's a bit warmer than the Skins when you first put it on, but breathes well so you don't overheat when you warm up. I've not tried the 2XU compression range but have heard some good reports so planning on trying some out this year.
adssup
adssup
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9 May 2011 6:37pm
sharkskin is the go for the colder weather. but get the 'climate control' option, so you can allow some airflow if you get hot. i use the long sleeve version and have a pair of the long paddling pants as well.

i've also got the performance wear model, which has sharkskin on the chest and lower back and compression material on the upper back and arms.
Simondo
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9 May 2011 8:09pm
I agree PT.

Ocks, when it's colder, and I know I'm going to go fairly hard, I'll still wear boardies & T-Shirt. Otherwise I have 2 different Kathmandu long sleeve tops (from their half price sales ), but I'm usually stopping to take it off and tie it around my waist.

Simondo
laceys lane
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9 May 2011 8:28pm
Simondo said...

I agree PT.

Ocks, when it's colder, and I know I'm going to go fairly hard, I'll still wear boardies & T-Shirt. Otherwise I have 2 different Kathmandu long sleeve tops (from their half price sales ), but I'm usually stopping to take it off and tie it around my waist.

Simondo


i would have thought all you hardcore vicco waterman guys would be bear chested and only wear a potato sack if it was snowing cold
aspaceman
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9 May 2011 8:31pm
PTWoody said...

Check out the Neofleece gear from Probe...

http://www.probewetsuits.com/surfingwetsuits/index.html

Just get the pants and then wear a long sleeve rashie. It's cold walking down to the water but after a few paddle strokes, your top half heats up and you won't want a full wetsuit on.


I've got a Probe Neofleece L/S top, it's been great over the last week or so. I've been trying out tippy race boards and falling into PPB a bit, the neofleece keeps the breeze off me when I'm wet. Skins do me fine down stairs (but I also have a bit more of "nature's wetsuit" than most).
Rosscoe
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9 May 2011 9:37pm
Not that I am playing up to Lacey's post or anything - but it really isn't cold yet. I reckon that the commentators at the Bells contest were doing a bit of a beat-up about how cold it was.

The Bay is currently at 17.2C and the ocean is 16.9C. The main factor at this time of the year is probably wind chill, rather than water temp.

I reckon that the descending order of dealing with cold is - flat water & calm (you don't need much), surfing (will depend on wind and how often you expect to dunk yourself), then downwinders (and this will, again, depend on how much time you are going to spend wet and subject to wind chill. The further offshore you will be the more likely you will want windproof gear/rubber, so you may end up too hot, but better this than hypothermia).

Cold is when the water is in the 11 - 13 range. I've only been to California once, but I was surprised at how cold the water was once you got a bit north of LA. So over in the States they probably wouldn't consider 11C all that cold.
hoagie
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10 May 2011 1:15pm
Rosscoe said...

Not that I am playing up to Lacey's post or anything - but it really isn't cold yet. I reckon that the commentators at the Bells contest were doing a bit of a beat-up about how cold it was.

The Bay is currently at 17.2C and the ocean is 16.9C. The main factor at this time of the year is probably wind chill, rather than water temp.

I reckon that the descending order of dealing with cold is - flat water & calm (you don't need much), surfing (will depend on wind and how often you expect to dunk yourself), then downwinders (and this will, again, depend on how much time you are going to spend wet and subject to wind chill. The further offshore you will be the more likely you will want windproof gear/rubber, so you may end up too hot, but better this than hypothermia).

Cold is when the water is in the 11 - 13 range. I've only been to California once, but I was surprised at how cold the water was once you got a bit north of LA. So over in the States they probably wouldn't consider 11C all that cold.


I agree with roscoe. I usually paddle with just boardies and maybe a light rashy and then jump in for a swim at the end of a workout. If your not falling in I say wear as light clothing as possible as after 3 or 4 minutes your body temp rises enough to not need a wetsuit. Since getting my 17ft Glide my feet don't get too wet either, love the extra bouyancy.

A bit of cement can also help.

Hoagie
PTWoody
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10 May 2011 2:56pm
A couple of the crew this morning were cursing my advice. Air temp below 4 degrees. Water apparently wasn't too bad when certain people fell in, but the wind chill against wet clothing had them approaching hypothermia pretty quickly.
rps
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10 May 2011 4:37pm
Hey Ock,

have noticed your absence at Deadman's since the weather turned.

I paddled Sat am [ 7 degrees] and this morning [ 4 degrees] and think I layered up fairly accurately.

I assuming you're not planning on taking a spill, so I'd be recommending the following.

- bottoms / Skins or any decent compression brand. I use the following http://www.zootsports.com/spring2010/product/m-compressrx-active-tight?category=mens%2Fcompression

- top. I've just been wearing the long sleeve thermals I usually wear when I cycle and layer up with either a cycling vest which has a full front zip and a mesh back [kinky, eh?] for venting. It's light, compact and windproof and can easily be stashed when you start to over-heat. This morning being colder I went for a stretch fleece rather than a vest and added a beanie. I'd say for you that any neoprene based garment may get a bit too warm given they don't breathe.

-Feet. I will eventually start using my reef boots when the water drops to below 14 degrees.

If you have a peek in at Le Knicks at the clocktower, he's got loads of sale cycling vests, etc out front.

ockanui
ockanui
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10 May 2011 6:11pm
yep been awol been busy getting artwork done for art melb,[ spruiking ] cold nah never feel it, I 'm from Ballarat, but just wanna make sure everyone else is ok and dressed accordingly!
BWDave
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10 May 2011 7:42pm
Booties, boardies, beanie and a thermal top gets me through winter with a short John for down winding
Dave
camo hosk
camo hosk
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10 May 2011 8:05pm
You blokes need to come up to the Yarra Valley here,

it was 1 degree this morning so at least not freezing,

then when you return to the bay can get back into the boardies.
Teeps
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10 May 2011 8:59pm
rps said...

Hey Ock,

have noticed your absence at Deadman's since the weather turned.

I paddled Sat am [ 7 degrees] and this morning [ 4 degrees] and think I layered up fairly accurately.

I assuming you're not planning on taking a spill, so I'd be recommending the following.

- bottoms / Skins or any decent compression brand. I use the following http://www.zootsports.com/spring2010/product/m-compressrx-active-tight?category=mens%2Fcompression

- top. I've just been wearing the long sleeve thermals I usually wear when I cycle and layer up with either a cycling vest which has a full front zip and a mesh back [kinky, eh?] for venting. It's light, compact and windproof and can easily be stashed when you start to over-heat. This morning being colder I went for a stretch fleece rather than a vest and added a beanie. I'd say for you that any neoprene based garment may get a bit too warm given they don't breathe.

-Feet. I will eventually start using my reef boots when the water drops to below 14 degrees.

If you have a peek in at Le Knicks at the clocktower, he's got loads of sale cycling vests, etc out front.




Yeah Warwick, I didn't 'plan' on falling in this morning, but got distracted chatting, and the converging cross-swells got me. I couldn't feel my hands BEFORE I fell in, and in fact the water felt comparitively warm... Then I had to paddle back with a 10kn wind on a wet rashie top. A 45 min trip back home with the heater on still didn't alleviate the chill...

But... I'm with PT on this, the neofleece pants are brilliant. Before I fell in, it was fine, as I soon got warm upper body with the paddling.
aspaceman
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10 May 2011 9:19pm
Teeps said...
Yeah Warwick, I didn't 'plan' on falling in this morning, but got distracted chatting, and the converging cross-swells got me. I couldn't feel my hands BEFORE I fell in, and in fact the water felt comparitively warm... Then I had to paddle back with a 10kn wind on a wet rashie top. A 45 min trip back home with the heater on still didn't alleviate the chill...

But... I'm with PT on this, the neofleece pants are brilliant. Before I fell in, it was fine, as I soon got warm upper body with the paddling.


If you ARE planning to fall in, as I did repeatedly this morning* , the Neofleece top works very very well. Also highly recommend a hot choccy from Odo to warm up the inner man.



(*Tim, not trying to turn this into a contest mate but you only fell in the once...)

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