laceys lane said...


any comments

No.

You are making an interesting observation in that I also find that the twisting and stacking of shoulders required to optimise reach is more tiring. Would be great to hear the experts take on what is ultimately more efficient.
I personally think its down to individual paddler - you have to find a stroke that has max propulsion without going into the red zone.

CMC said...

laceys lane said...


any comments

Yes, but I'll speak to you face to face when I see you next.

I don't want to give away how to come last in every race to anyone.

laceys lane said...

PeterP said...

You are making an interesting observation in that I also find that the twisting and stacking of shoulders required to optimise reach is more tiring. Would be great to hear the experts take on what is ultimately more efficient.
I personally think its down to individual paddler - you have to find a stroke that has max propulsion without going into the red zone.

peterp, i'm still trying to keep the body loose and move around freely but within that paddle lenght range. its interesting with the heart rate monitor because it tells you whats working ie minimal stress- best speed

How can u possibly transfer power when your body is loose?? Don't understand?

i think its because when you are pulling the paddle in a extended reach it takes more effort. leaning forward to pull the blade through the water will require more energy and effort hence the heart rate going up. im not explaining this too well

Lacey, I am no expert in paddling but i do know a thing or two about heart rates, and IMHO what you are saying is reverse logic, I suspect you are reaching but keeping a higher stroke rate pushing your heart rate up.

Perhaps, stop bring your HRT back to say 120 bpm, try over a controlled distance, reaching further but slowing your stroke rate down.

Then stop again bring you HRT down to 120 and paddle back with the shorter higher cadence stroke.

You should if i am correct find that over the distance that your HRT is lower in the longer stroke.

When we box people try to punch quickly but get more power out of a controlled slower punch, but their HRT is up in the fast punches. Same theory I suspect.

If this doesn't work, go and see a cardiologist!!!

I did a blast race a few weeks ago and pushed my HRT to 195 in the sprint home (say 1200 mtr) with little choppy strokes after it avgd about 165 for the balance of the 6.8 kms.............but seriously almost puked afterwards (but did take home the medal )

Good luck with it

Greg

Interesting results Lacey, I have used a Gps with HRM for most of my training over the last 6 months and just for distance paddling for 18 months before that.
My HR vs. stroke rate/length are consistently opposite to yours. When I lengthen out my stroke and drop the rating a little, heart rate reduces and i can maintain it around 140-150, but when my rating is higher and stroke shortens up, my heart rate goes through the roof (190+) and I struggle to maintain the rating. Interestingly board speed isn't hugely different for the 2 styles of paddling, and for me, the shorter stroke/ higher rating is definately wasting energy. Ok for short sprints but nothing else.

One last thing, some of us were built for speed, others power/strength and some for endurance, that's why all the different results.

Ali Cat said...

Interesting results Lacey, I have used a Gps with HRM for most of my training over the last 6 months and just for distance paddling for 18 months before that.
My HR vs. stroke rate/length are consistently opposite to yours. When I lengthen out my stroke and drop the rating a little, heart rate reduces and i can maintain it around 140-150, but when my rating is higher and stroke shortens up, my heart rate goes through the roof (190+) and I struggle to maintain the rating. Interestingly board speed isn't hugely different for the 2 styles of paddling, and for me, the shorter stroke/ higher rating is definately wasting energy. Ok for short sprints but nothing else.

ali, i suppose it different ways we all paddle. on the shorties i can get little mirco rests, but a can't find those in the longer strokes

Ali Cat said...

Interesting results Lacey, I have used a Gps with HRM for most of my training over the last 6 months and just for distance paddling for 18 months before that.
My HR vs. stroke rate/length are consistently opposite to yours. When I lengthen out my stroke and drop the rating a little, heart rate reduces and i can maintain it around 140-150, but when my rating is higher and stroke shortens up, my heart rate goes through the roof (190+) and I struggle to maintain the rating. Interestingly board speed isn't hugely different for the 2 styles of paddling, and for me, the shorter stroke/ higher rating is definately wasting energy. Ok for short sprints but nothing else.

Alison seems you and me are the same, Lacey your the odd one out

Embrace your differences I say

when i say a shorter stroke i mean shorter than reaching right out. more a mid range stroke or a normal normal stroke range, not tapping away at your feet