I know that the SB forums can sometimes have a little blue or two and we know that the infamous pipe fins is a tool...but check out the form in the comments section of this swell net article. The juicy stuff starts when blasphemy-rottmouth joins the chat....and then it just carries on and on and on. Its a bit of a read but its pretty entertaining if you are not on the receiving end and it has been very slow in here today. Clearly I am not taking sides - just sharing the stoke!

http://www.swellnet.com.au/news/2711-specialty-webcasts-a-new-means-to-dream