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Created by AndyrooMac > 9 months ago, 17 Aug 2018
Ricardo1709
NSW, 1125 posts
11 Jun 2019 6:01PM
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onefin said..

Ricardo1709 said..
Bonzer set up reckons start at 5 3/4 from tail then incremental adjustments to suit



But only with glassed on bonzer sides..... Which are different to the fcs sides.... Larger glassed on bonzer sides allow for a 6.5-7" centre fin


Ah yeah not talking about fin size but distance from tail to back of centre fin.

onefin
123 posts
11 Jun 2019 4:08PM
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I haven't measured mine but I am not sure Mal's bonzers principles are applicable..... He has been refining his bonzers for nearly 50 years!

I can get a bonzer feel on my Lizzy with the set up & tri plane hull bottom but it isn't the full bonzer experience.

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1843 posts
11 Jun 2019 8:12PM
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Yeah cheers, that all makes a lot of sense... As stated above, its doesn't seem like the right array...

I think the 6.5" is likely the go but I guess my issue is that I love the way she turns as is, I really only need the training wheels for when it get bigger and I need that extra bit of stability, so I don't really want to drop $100 odd for what will be occasional usage... but will likely have to as maybe that saves me buying another board for that bit of a whole...

Anyways, didn't surf it today, took out the 8'2" as it looked super small... Turns out, up the beach where I surfed it was beautiful head high rip bowl and omg she just loved it!!! And the extra paddle made it heaps more fun, more time on waves and less time fighting to get the right position... really loving the board 2 surfs in, perfect compliment to the 7'7"... Hope you're all getting waves on this long weekend...





I wouldn't think A bonzer or 2 +1 would give you any extra stability over a single. If any less.


Yeah right... If thats the case then I might as well sell them... But i will try them first

My understanding from listening to Dave Parmenter was that he loves singles... But he found when it got steep and critical that they could blow out in critical parts of the wave, that was where he came up with the widowmaker design so the side fins would add stability and hold when you put her on rail. And for sure, I found when I used to surf "thrusters" you could just about turn anywhere Vs the single fin you have to be more considered, more with the wave...

I'm not after the "Bonzer experience" with this board... I mean, if I was then i'd just buy an actual Bonzer... I just need some extra loving when she gets critical... I guess plan b is getting a fin thats a bit stiffer and longer for when it get more critical?

Cheers for the input and help though, its kinda new ground for me coming off nothing but singles or twins for so long... Anyways, Friday arvo looks the goods but I think i'll take the fin box screw driver and the the flat head so I can make some on the beach adjustments.

chrispy
WA, 9042 posts
12 Jun 2019 4:29AM
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AndyrooMac said..

SP said..


AndyrooMac said..
Yeah cheers, that all makes a lot of sense... As stated above, its doesn't seem like the right array...

I think the 6.5" is likely the go but I guess my issue is that I love the way she turns as is, I really only need the training wheels for when it get bigger and I need that extra bit of stability, so I don't really want to drop $100 odd for what will be occasional usage... but will likely have to as maybe that saves me buying another board for that bit of a whole...

Anyways, didn't surf it today, took out the 8'2" as it looked super small... Turns out, up the beach where I surfed it was beautiful head high rip bowl and omg she just loved it!!! And the extra paddle made it heaps more fun, more time on waves and less time fighting to get the right position... really loving the board 2 surfs in, perfect compliment to the 7'7"... Hope you're all getting waves on this long weekend...






I wouldn't think A bonzer or 2 +1 would give you any extra stability over a single. If any less.



Yeah right... If thats the case then I might as well sell them... But i will try them first

My understanding from listening to Dave Parmenter was that he loves singles... But he found when it got steep and critical that they could blow out in critical parts of the wave, that was where he came up with the widowmaker design so the side fins would add stability and hold when you put her on rail. And for sure, I found when I used to surf "thrusters" you could just about turn anywhere Vs the single fin you have to be more considered, more with the wave...

I'm not after the "Bonzer experience" with this board... I mean, if I was then i'd just buy an actual Bonzer... I just need some extra loving when she gets critical... I guess plan b is getting a fin thats a bit stiffer and longer for when it get more critical?

Cheers for the input and help though, its kinda new ground for me coming off nothing but singles or twins for so long... Anyways, Friday arvo looks the goods but I think i'll take the fin box screw driver and the the flat head so I can make some on the beach adjustments.


Well use standard side fins instead of bonzer ones lol

laceys lane
QLD, 18748 posts
12 Jun 2019 6:36AM
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Mid lengthers cant be seen with ordinary side fins. The wank facter is very low compared to bonzers

Macaha
QLD, 19339 posts
12 Jun 2019 6:49AM
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laceys lane said..
Mid lengthers cant be seen with ordinary side fins. The wank facter is very low compared to bonzers


Rumour has it your board not far away is a mid length with standard side bites then

laceys lane
QLD, 18748 posts
12 Jun 2019 6:50AM
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Macaha said..

laceys lane said..
Mid lengthers cant be seen with ordinary side fins. The wank facter is very low compared to bonzers



Rumour has it your board not far away is a mid length with standard side bites then

Mud length

McHenry
SA, 1652 posts
12 Jun 2019 7:29AM
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I got this Soar 2 + 1 setup for my cruiser and they have these beautiful little side bites.

I think Surfblanks sell little sides as well. Some people really like them if you are looking for something a bit different but don't want to go the whole hog sort of thing.

It's all personal preference I think.





Macaha
QLD, 19339 posts
12 Jun 2019 8:09AM
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McHenry said..
I got this Soar 2 + 1 setup for my cruiser and they have these beautiful little side bites.

I think Surfblanks sell little sides as well. Some people really like them if you are looking for something a bit different but don't want to go the whole hog sort of thing.

It's all personal preference I think.






How big is the centre McHenry? 7 or 8 great set up for your cruiser.

Lenn
NSW, 106 posts
12 Jun 2019 8:44AM
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laceys lane said..
Mid lengthers cant be seen with ordinary side fins. The wank facter is very low compared to bonzers



I have the W factor





7'6" direct purchase whilst in Hawaii last year from Jacob.

McHenry
SA, 1652 posts
12 Jun 2019 8:18AM
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The centre is 7.75 with small sides.

The Soar fins are really well made and beautiful.

I would highly recommend.

laceys lane
QLD, 18748 posts
12 Jun 2019 9:43AM
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Lenn said..

laceys lane said..
Mid lengthers cant be seen with ordinary side fins. The wank facter is very low compared to bonzers




I have the W factor





7'6" direct purchase whilst in Hawaii last year from Jacob.

Glass ins is different. And 4 bonzers.
A campbell bros. Im refering more to imitations

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1843 posts
12 Jun 2019 1:53PM
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Lenn said..


laceys lane said..
Mid lengthers cant be seen with ordinary side fins. The wank facter is very low compared to bonzers





I have the W factor





7'6" direct purchase whilst in Hawaii last year from Jacob.



Nice one Lenn, looks an awesome board...

I Know Parmenter with the Widowmaker are a more traditional fin type, small upright fins.

However... the fins I have been supplied are Bonzer side fins so they sit angled out... Anyways, these are what Ryan and Trevor found worked through a bunch of experimentation so I'm happy to go with the shapers recommendation... And I'm trying to not buy stuff, trying to be less of a consumer, so i'm not going to go buying a bunch of different fins , i'll just make what I have work...

This clip is pretty interesting though, Yes its CA and my ability is at the opposite end of the spectrum but he's running a pretty short single in solid barreling waves and positioned right, well, it surfs beautifully...

Click link for vid:
www.instagram.com/p/Byi0zn4neG-/?igshid=12o0q6m7zs5c8

So maybe the better solution is to sell the Bonzer sides and buy a stiffer and slightly more volume single fin... after a little experimentation first of course.





AndyrooMac
TAS, 1843 posts
14 Jun 2019 5:51PM
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Surfed the 7'7" on the rip bowl today... Pretty fun again... But took the Bonzers out, I need to adjust them as they don't quite fit flush with the board in the box... And I still doubt that I need them.. Anyways... Need to experiment still so...

Here's Ryan's thoughts on the Bonzers and why he likes em...







AndyrooMac
TAS, 1843 posts
17 Jun 2019 11:36AM
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Gliding and an Andreini Vaquero
Click link for vid:
www.instagram.com/p/ByydE0ln_iv/?igshid=1ckbw4pzqc2w5





Macaha
QLD, 19339 posts
18 Jun 2019 7:34AM
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Froth on boys




IFocus
WA, 404 posts
18 Jun 2019 8:15AM
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Some thing about triple stringers.

Tux
VIC, 3786 posts
18 Jun 2019 11:21AM
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IFocus said..
Some thing about triple stringers.


You won't make friends with shapers when you ask for them....but they do look nice

Macaha
QLD, 19339 posts
18 Jun 2019 11:55AM
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Tux said..

IFocus said..
Some thing about triple stringers.



You won't make friends with shapers when you ask for them....but they do look nice


Probably why they charge more ?

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1843 posts
18 Jun 2019 12:53PM
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Macaha said..

Tux said..


IFocus said..
Some thing about triple stringers.




You won't make friends with shapers when you ask for them....but they do look nice



Probably why they charge more ?


They overcharge more... Generally the foam manufacturer inserts the extra stringers when they make the blank, the extra amount they charge is pretty minimal... I think when I was looking from single to double stringer on a 7'4" blank it was $30...

Macaha
QLD, 19339 posts
18 Jun 2019 12:56PM
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AndyrooMac said..



Macaha said..




Tux said..





IFocus said..
Some thing about triple stringers.







You won't make friends with shapers when you ask for them....but they do look nice






Probably why they charge more ?





They overcharge more... Generally the foam manufacturer inserts the extra stringers when they make the blank, the extra amount they charge is pretty minimal... I think when I was looking from single to double stringer on a 7'4" blank it was $30...




30 bucks thats cheap mate.

My take is that the blank manufacturer is doubling the cutting and glue up process and then the shaper has to plane the extra stringer.

Macaha
QLD, 19339 posts
18 Jun 2019 1:30PM
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This stringer set up cost me an extra 150


AndyrooMac
TAS, 1843 posts
18 Jun 2019 1:57PM
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Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150



Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please

SP
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18 Jun 2019 12:01PM
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Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150






Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please





Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.

Macaha
QLD, 19339 posts
18 Jun 2019 2:23PM
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AndyrooMac said..


Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150




Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please


It cost me 150 in total from the board maker unaware of the split between blank manufacture and board maker.

Sorry about the picture of the LB

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1843 posts
18 Jun 2019 4:31PM
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SP said..


AndyrooMac said..






Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150








Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please







Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.



Totally agree, as I said above "shapers are grossly underpaid"

But what I am saying is there is very little difference in the cost of the actual blanks themselves...

example,
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker single stringer blank = $120
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker "double" stringer blank = $150

And actually, the reason for the double stringer is that it will save time inserting the fin box as you just router out the foam and dont have to cut into the stringer.

NordRoi
278 posts
19 Jun 2019 1:50AM
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A quick question, always rode shortboard/hybride.

I'm only surfing a few times a year now when I travel(14 hrs from coast).

Intermediate surfer, can pump a board, surf front and backside.

Tried a funboard mid-lenght, did not liked it. Try a good longboard(9'0") quite LIKED IT!

what is the main advantage of going with a good mid-lenght vs a good longboard? Question probably don't make sens, I might wait until my next trip to take a decision on the next board that I gonna buy. thanks.

NordRoi
278 posts
19 Jun 2019 1:50AM
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A quick question, always rode shortboard/hybride.

I'm only surfing a few times a year now when I travel(14 hrs from coast).

Intermediate surfer, can pump a board, surf front and backside.

Tried a funboard mid-lenght, did not liked it. Try a good longboard(9'0") quite LIKED IT!

what is the main advantage of going with a good mid-lenght vs a good longboard? Question probably don't make sens, I might wait until my next trip to take a decision on the next board that I gonna buy. thanks.

NordRoi
278 posts
19 Jun 2019 1:50AM
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A quick question, always rode shortboard/hybride.

I'm only surfing a few times a year now when I travel(14 hrs from coast).

Intermediate surfer, can pump a board, surf front and backside.

Tried a funboard mid-lenght, did not liked it. Try a good longboard(9'0") quite LIKED IT!

what is the main advantage of going with a good mid-lenght vs a good longboard? Question probably don't make sens, I might wait until my next trip to take a decision on the next board that I gonna buy. thanks.

SP
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19 Jun 2019 6:29AM
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AndyrooMac said..

SP said..



AndyrooMac said..







Macaha said..
This stringer set up cost me an extra 150









Love that look, beautiful board...

But you're saying if the blank guys charges an extra $50 for the blank, the shaper is charging an extra $100 to plane one extra stringer???

I have no issue with shapers making more margin, they absolutely should as what they make for the hrs invested is far too low... But the reality is most of the extra cost is pure profit margin... but worth it if you can afford it as they do add a lot to the look and strength of the board.

p.s. no lb pics in the midlength room please








Support your local board builder by paying him what he deserves..

It takes extra time to clean up the stringers and between them, he probably doesn't want to really do it so why shouldn't he charge a premium for it. The customer chooses to pay it or not.




Totally agree, as I said above "shapers are grossly underpaid"

But what I am saying is there is very little difference in the cost of the actual blanks themselves...

example,
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker single stringer blank = $120
Dion foam 7'3" custom rocker "double" stringer blank = $150

And actually, the reason for the double stringer is that it will save time inserting the fin box as you just router out the foam and dont have to cut into the stringer.


You taught me something there.
I always thought it was to control flex, add some strength and a little bit of looks?
Can't see it being that much easier or quicker to rout foam instead and foam and timber for an experienced shaper? How much time you reckon it would save them? Must be a bit if they are paying and extra $30 per blank.



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