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McHenry
SA, 1664 posts
Sunday , 12 Jan 2020 10:06AM
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What about a Yahoo Kelvinator?
Yahoo does a few high volume mids

Hydromann
19 posts
Sunday , 12 Jan 2020 10:17AM
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McHenry said..
What about a Yahoo Kelvinator?
Yahoo does a few high volume mids


Yeah looked at those, mostly quads and twins which I have little experience on. Hence wanted something like the Carbon Jet or the Love Child that will mix things up for my curiosity and experimentation.

Mostly trying to ensure I've core the core of the design right to match my wish list. Almost impossible to jam everything on your wish list into one design though.

Shapers tend to focus on a narrow design spec to suit an individual and the projected conditions, the CJ seems from all accounts to be a dynamic and tuneable design once you get the size and volume right for your wants and needs.

So I'm heavily leaning towards that in the 6'10" and 51L, knowing it's likely a bit too corky for me once I get my fitness back. But then I'll just get a custom Millar SubX or similar, or maybe a shorter Carbon Jet if I'm stolen by it?

Still procrastinating and hunting around FB market place as well as gumtree hoping to score something similar but cheap.

Wishful thinking hey.

onefin
125 posts
Sunday , 12 Jan 2020 11:37AM
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One of the new CI mids would be the go... I am looking forward to fondling one in onboard

Hydromann
19 posts
Sunday , 12 Jan 2020 12:21PM
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One of the new CI mids would be the go... I am looking forward to fondling one in onboard


Yeah they look good, for now I think I'm gonna go with the Carbon Jet in a 6'10" at 52L. Might feel a bit corky with that volume but I remember my old 6'4" G&S that was 3" thick fondly. Taught me as a 50kg grommet proper duck five technique.

So turtle rolls for me :-)

Hydromann
19 posts
Sunday , 12 Jan 2020 5:48PM
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Thanks for suggestions guys. Pulled the trigger on the Carbon Jet 6'10" and 52L.

Gotta say I was not sure what to expect for the price point. So instead of ordering online I went to their outlet in Scarborough WA.

Impressed is an understatement. They feel solid as, a little bit weighty maybe but a great glassing job. Shape wise the lines are awesome, might have wished for a little more front rocker but I think this thing will pick up early enough for you not to take a late drop into a steep face.

The standard fins supplied are so so. Will add some weight but can change them if bothered. Biggest plus is the variability and n fin combos that you can run. Keen as to experiment with a quad set up and scored the 4's as a bonus no charge.

Frothing for a wave and to baptise her now.

Hydromann
19 posts
Tuesday , 14 Jan 2020 11:38AM
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So I got some waves this morning at secrets.

Nose dived on just about everyone of them.

Shallow rocker and broad nose are gonna take some getting used to.

One the couple of waves I did manage to pull into the board felt good. Not as responsive as they make out in their adds, but that could be a case of me not being Beau Young and the fin setup and placement.

Got so.e tinkering to do and some fine tuning. Still it got my wave count up dramatically which was my primary objective.

A few more surfs and hopefully I can tune into this board better.

laceys lane
QLD, 18873 posts
Tuesday , 14 Jan 2020 4:27PM
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Hydromann said..
So I got some waves this morning at secrets.

Nose dived on just about everyone of them.

Shallow rocker and broad nose are gonna take some getting used to.

One the couple of waves I did manage to pull into the board felt good. Not as responsive as they make out in their adds, but that could be a case of me not being Beau Young and the fin setup and placement.

Got so.e tinkering to do and some fine tuning. Still it got my wave count up dramatically which was my primary objective.

A few more surfs and hopefully I can tune into this board better.



I had a beau wombat. Took me a while to fin up. I used large sides with small quad rears

Hydromann
19 posts
Tuesday , 14 Jan 2020 2:55PM
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laceys lane said..

Hydromann said..
So I got some waves this morning at secrets.

Nose dived on just about everyone of them.

Shallow rocker and broad nose are gonna take some getting used to.

One the couple of waves I did manage to pull into the board felt good. Not as responsive as they make out in their adds, but that could be a case of me not being Beau Young and the fin setup and placement.

Got so.e tinkering to do and some fine tuning. Still it got my wave count up dramatically which was my primary objective.

A few more surfs and hopefully I can tune into this board better.



I had a beau wombat. Too me a while to fin up. I used large sides with small quad rears


Cheers mate, that's why I went with the Carbon Jet. Everyone raved about the Wombat which the CJ was pulled from. Have only run the 2+1 in it which given the length made it fairly stiff. The couple of runs I did get across the face it had good speed but I never got to put it onto the rail properly to get a real feel. But that's Secret harbour closeouts for you, a very quick break that's over in seconds.

Will likely head down to Avalon on the weekend to get a bit more time on the face and will mix and match fin combo's then.

Noticed Webber Diamond runs big twins with a novel shaped rear biter that has a lot less surface than the 2+1 setup. Might look around for a small rear and give that a crack as well.

On the quad I've got some 5" and 4" that came with the board, what did your rears come in at?

Again Cheers.

Hydromann
19 posts
Tuesday , 14 Jan 2020 2:58PM
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If I'd seen this one before buying the CJ I would have jumped at it. 6'10" Webber Diamond mini mal or mid length.

www.gumtree.com.au/s-view-details.html?adId=1237129465

Someone can pick up a nice board at a good price if it's still floating around. From all the reviews I've read it's an awesome tool and right up there with the Millar SubX.

To my mind it's likely better.

laceys lane
QLD, 18873 posts
Tuesday , 14 Jan 2020 5:12PM
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Hydromann said..

laceys lane said..


Hydromann said..
So I got some waves this morning at secrets.

Nose dived on just about everyone of them.

Shallow rocker and broad nose are gonna take some getting used to.

One the couple of waves I did manage to pull into the board felt good. Not as responsive as they make out in their adds, but that could be a case of me not being Beau Young and the fin setup and placement.

Got so.e tinkering to do and some fine tuning. Still it got my wave count up dramatically which was my primary objective.

A few more surfs and hopefully I can tune into this board better.




I had a beau wombat. Too me a while to fin up. I used large sides with small quad rears



Cheers mate, that's why I went with the Carbon Jet. Everyone raved about the Wombat which the CJ was pulled from. Have only run the 2+1 in it which given the length made it fairly stiff. The couple of runs I did get across the face it had good speed but I never got to put it onto the rail properly to get a real feel. But that's Secret harbour closeouts for you, a very quick break that's over in seconds.

Will likely head down to Avalon on the weekend to get a bit more time on the face and will mix and match fin combo's then.

Noticed Webber Diamond runs big twins with a novel shaped rear biter that has a lot less surface than the 2+1 setup. Might look around for a small rear and give that a crack as well.

On the quad I've got some 5" and 4" that came with the board, what did your rears come in at?

Again Cheers.


A large front fin.
And almost stabilizers size side fins
Found it awesome in uneven chunky waves

Hydromann
19 posts
Tuesday , 14 Jan 2020 5:34PM
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laceys lane said..

Hydromann said..


laceys lane said..



Hydromann said..
So I got some waves this morning at secrets.

Nose dived on just about everyone of them.

Shallow rocker and broad nose are gonna take some getting used to.

One the couple of waves I did manage to pull into the board felt good. Not as responsive as they make out in their adds, but that could be a case of me not being Beau Young and the fin setup and placement.

Got so.e tinkering to do and some fine tuning. Still it got my wave count up dramatically which was my primary objective.

A few more surfs and hopefully I can tune into this board better.





I had a beau wombat. Too me a while to fin up. I used large sides with small quad rears




Cheers mate, that's why I went with the Carbon Jet. Everyone raved about the Wombat which the CJ was pulled from. Have only run the 2+1 in it which given the length made it fairly stiff. The couple of runs I did get across the face it had good speed but I never got to put it onto the rail properly to get a real feel. But that's Secret harbour closeouts for you, a very quick break that's over in seconds.

Will likely head down to Avalon on the weekend to get a bit more time on the face and will mix and match fin combo's then.

Noticed Webber Diamond runs big twins with a novel shaped rear biter that has a lot less surface than the 2+1 setup. Might look around for a small rear and give that a crack as well.

On the quad I've got some 5" and 4" that came with the board, what did your rears come in at?

Again Cheers.



A large front fin.
And almost stabilizers size side fins
Found it awesome in uneven chunky waves


Never ridden a quad so this is going to take some experimenting. Got a couple of older 5" fins that I could shape down to biters for the backs, but will try them as they are first.

Cheers for the info.

Macaha
QLD, 19609 posts
Tuesday , 14 Jan 2020 8:43PM
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laceys lane said..

Hydromann said..


laceys lane said..



Hydromann said..
So I got some waves this morning at secrets.

Nose dived on just about everyone of them.

Shallow rocker and broad nose are gonna take some getting used to.

One the couple of waves I did manage to pull into the board felt good. Not as responsive as they make out in their adds, but that could be a case of me not being Beau Young and the fin setup and placement.

Got so.e tinkering to do and some fine tuning. Still it got my wave count up dramatically which was my primary objective.

A few more surfs and hopefully I can tune into this board better.





I had a beau wombat. Too me a while to fin up. I used large sides with small quad rears




Cheers mate, that's why I went with the Carbon Jet. Everyone raved about the Wombat which the CJ was pulled from. Have only run the 2+1 in it which given the length made it fairly stiff. The couple of runs I did get across the face it had good speed but I never got to put it onto the rail properly to get a real feel. But that's Secret harbour closeouts for you, a very quick break that's over in seconds.

Will likely head down to Avalon on the weekend to get a bit more time on the face and will mix and match fin combo's then.

Noticed Webber Diamond runs big twins with a novel shaped rear biter that has a lot less surface than the 2+1 setup. Might look around for a small rear and give that a crack as well.

On the quad I've got some 5" and 4" that came with the board, what did your rears come in at?

Again Cheers.



A large front fin.
And almost stabilizers size side fins
Found it awesome in uneven chunky waves


About time the fin guru came alive again

Hydromann
19 posts
Wednesday , 15 Jan 2020 11:35AM
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Macaha said..

laceys lane said..


Hydromann said..



laceys lane said..




Hydromann said..
So I got some waves this morning at secrets.

Nose dived on just about everyone of them.

Shallow rocker and broad nose are gonna take some getting used to.

One the couple of waves I did manage to pull into the board felt good. Not as responsive as they make out in their adds, but that could be a case of me not being Beau Young and the fin setup and placement.

Got so.e tinkering to do and some fine tuning. Still it got my wave count up dramatically which was my primary objective.

A few more surfs and hopefully I can tune into this board better.






I had a beau wombat. Too me a while to fin up. I used large sides with small quad rears





Cheers mate, that's why I went with the Carbon Jet. Everyone raved about the Wombat which the CJ was pulled from. Have only run the 2+1 in it which given the length made it fairly stiff. The couple of runs I did get across the face it had good speed but I never got to put it onto the rail properly to get a real feel. But that's Secret harbour closeouts for you, a very quick break that's over in seconds.

Will likely head down to Avalon on the weekend to get a bit more time on the face and will mix and match fin combo's then.

Noticed Webber Diamond runs big twins with a novel shaped rear biter that has a lot less surface than the 2+1 setup. Might look around for a small rear and give that a crack as well.

On the quad I've got some 5" and 4" that came with the board, what did your rears come in at?

Again Cheers.




A large front fin.
And almost stabilizers size side fins
Found it awesome in uneven chunky waves



About time the fin guru came alive again


Thinking I'm gonna get some of these webbersurfboards.com/fins/

Then use a box to FCS adaptor for the nubster style trailing fin.

But that wont fix another issue that i'm starting to realise, rocker. I bought this board for paddle speed, and yes it paddles well and is reasonably quick to lift and go.

Problem is that I am not riding full and mushy style waves like they show in the videos. I'm on a bank that pitches up a steep face very quickly, and as such I am eating the bank more than hooking into a bottom turn.

Might be a bit of weight distribution issue still but anytime I'm more than 60 deg to the face the nose dives. It's almost like slow motion, I can see what is going to happen even before it does and then she goes shovel nose on me.

I did a side view layout of the rocker for the Carbon Jet against the Modern Love child, Snub Nose Eco Tech, and even some of the shorter longboards, all seem to have quite shallow rockers.

I then overlaid the SubX and the Webber Diamond 6'10" and noticed that both of these have some extra lift in the nose due to a seemless rocker transition over the length of the board. Not a great deal more but somewhere between 15 to 20mm, which at the end of the day may not make a big difference?

What I also think is not helping is my ambition is outweighing my ability, my brain remembers what I could do many years ago, but my body and muscle memory is kaput. Yeah I still have the basic dynamics right but have lost that edge I once had.

Anyway perseverance is key, fitness will come back, and hopefully I can stop nose diving.

Also hoping that using the quad setup will allow me to swing the board around parallel to the wave face a bit quicker and easier during drop in. If I can get the rail engaged early enough then I'm all good, and to do this I need to either catch the wave early enough, or to be able to swing the nose around quick enough.

chrispthekiwi
83 posts
Wednesday , 15 Jan 2020 2:04PM
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McHenry said..
I have a feeing CI are going to be selling A LOT of that midlength.


I just enquired with my local ci dealer and they said I was looking $1500 nz for one of these.

Hydromann
19 posts
Wednesday , 15 Jan 2020 4:12PM
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chrispthekiwi said..

McHenry said..
I have a feeing CI are going to be selling A LOT of that midlength.



I just enquired with my local ci dealer and they said I was looking $1500 nz for one of these.


Check out the Webber Diamond or a longer version of their double concave designs for a mid length.

Very nice looking designs and the fluid mechanics actually make sense to me as an engineer ;-)

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1844 posts
Thursday , 16 Jan 2020 9:22AM
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Hydromann said..

Macaha said..


laceys lane said..



Hydromann said..




laceys lane said..





Hydromann said..
So I got some waves this morning at secrets.

Nose dived on just about everyone of them.

Shallow rocker and broad nose are gonna take some getting used to.

One the couple of waves I did manage to pull into the board felt good. Not as responsive as they make out in their adds, but that could be a case of me not being Beau Young and the fin setup and placement.

Got so.e tinkering to do and some fine tuning. Still it got my wave count up dramatically which was my primary objective.

A few more surfs and hopefully I can tune into this board better.







I had a beau wombat. Too me a while to fin up. I used large sides with small quad rears






Cheers mate, that's why I went with the Carbon Jet. Everyone raved about the Wombat which the CJ was pulled from. Have only run the 2+1 in it which given the length made it fairly stiff. The couple of runs I did get across the face it had good speed but I never got to put it onto the rail properly to get a real feel. But that's Secret harbour closeouts for you, a very quick break that's over in seconds.

Will likely head down to Avalon on the weekend to get a bit more time on the face and will mix and match fin combo's then.

Noticed Webber Diamond runs big twins with a novel shaped rear biter that has a lot less surface than the 2+1 setup. Might look around for a small rear and give that a crack as well.

On the quad I've got some 5" and 4" that came with the board, what did your rears come in at?

Again Cheers.





A large front fin.
And almost stabilizers size side fins
Found it awesome in uneven chunky waves




About time the fin guru came alive again



Thinking I'm gonna get some of these webbersurfboards.com/fins/

Then use a box to FCS adaptor for the nubster style trailing fin.

But that wont fix another issue that i'm starting to realise, rocker. I bought this board for paddle speed, and yes it paddles well and is reasonably quick to lift and go.

Problem is that I am not riding full and mushy style waves like they show in the videos. I'm on a bank that pitches up a steep face very quickly, and as such I am eating the bank more than hooking into a bottom turn.

Might be a bit of weight distribution issue still but anytime I'm more than 60 deg to the face the nose dives. It's almost like slow motion, I can see what is going to happen even before it does and then she goes shovel nose on me.

I did a side view layout of the rocker for the Carbon Jet against the Modern Love child, Snub Nose Eco Tech, and even some of the shorter longboards, all seem to have quite shallow rockers.

I then overlaid the SubX and the Webber Diamond 6'10" and noticed that both of these have some extra lift in the nose due to a seemless rocker transition over the length of the board. Not a great deal more but somewhere between 15 to 20mm, which at the end of the day may not make a big difference?

What I also think is not helping is my ambition is outweighing my ability, my brain remembers what I could do many years ago, but my body and muscle memory is kaput. Yeah I still have the basic dynamics right but have lost that edge I once had.

Anyway perseverance is key, fitness will come back, and hopefully I can stop nose diving.

Also hoping that using the quad setup will allow me to swing the board around parallel to the wave face a bit quicker and easier during drop in. If I can get the rail engaged early enough then I'm all good, and to do this I need to either catch the wave early enough, or to be able to swing the nose around quick enough.


Heya Hydromann,

I dont use this site anymore but popped in to respond to a DM... anyways... I've surfed a Carbon Jet and Owned SubX so here are my thoughts...

The SubX is a great learner/intermediate board, they go amazing in the right waves. More slopey and slower waves or points and its a great option to help step down off a log but... they are not great in hollow or pitching waves. They carry a lot of volume in the tail and rails which makes them paddle well and super stable, but if you are bottom turning hard on a fast/steep wave its just a slug and you'll get wopped.

The Carbon Jet i borrowed and surfed and it was kinda fun, didnt hate it but didn't love it... based off a wombat but made from vastly inferior materials and that ultimately affects performance... Anyways, my mate that owned it moved it on pretty quick. He kinda found it had some decent function, was safe but just lacked any real magic, he just never came away from a wave or a session stoked. He replaced it with a Christenson Flat tracker and absolutely loves it.

In that type of wave I would look at a large Fish, something like a 6'2" - 6'6" Vouch or Christenson or a Firewire Seaside i'm hearing lots of great reports form a few mates, they will give you the paddle and speed you need and the ability to make later/steeper/faster waves... alternately, go longer and look at a nice egg in the mid 7ft range... My whole quiver (besides the log) is eggs 7'3" self shaped (which i would surf in that kinda wave), 7'7" Lovelace, 8ft shaped by Salty, they are super paddle friendly and if you like to draw out your turns they go unreal... The Takayama's are great as are the Vouch, a Lovelace Lizzy is amazing...

Anyways, I wont check back in so best of luck and hope that maybe gets you thinking, plenty of amazing options out there... Hit me up by DM if you have any questions about the SubX

seadog57
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Friday , 17 Jan 2020 1:12PM
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Hi all, need some advice, I'm 62 yrs old weighing in at 92 kgs. I am looking around for a new board. I spent about 4 months in Bali 18 months ago riding my old 7'8 powerglide which was still a pleasure to ride but even though I paddled past everyone on the way back out to the lineup when paddling for a wave the back end would get bogged down and I'd lose momentum which made it tough competing against longboards. On the rare occasions I was in uncrowded surf and could pick my spot it wasn't a problem but usually longboards were taking off 10-15 meters outside me. I was also 7 or 8 kgs lighter at the time which means I need more volume and length. Grant Miller isn't shaping at the moment, he has more pressing issues otherwise I would just get a beefed up 8ft powerglide and maybe do away with the full nose for easier duck diving.
So too eventually get to the point I've narrowed my search down to -

8ft McCoy nugget, problem being they are thin on the ground in the west and I don't really wanna pay $1500+ for a custom and there's probably not enough time before my trip to Lombok anyway. (but I could probably find one if need be)

8ft Trigger Bros Stubby, I really haven't found much discussion about these, I'm sure it would catch waves but I'm afraid it's 75 ltrs would be to boaty.
I bought a 7s 8ft step deck once, it paddled ok but you had to steer it like a truck.

I've just spotted a 8ft Christensen Flat Tracker in town, 8 x 211/2 x 3 1/8, for $1295

So what I need to know is will the Flat tracker paddle as well and have the same stability as the Nugget?
I'm an old back foot surfer who grew up surfing single fins so I'm thinking they would both suit my preferred style.
Does anyone have any info or opinion about the Trigger Bros Hot Dog Stubby?

Ricooso
NSW, 4 posts
Saturday , 18 Jan 2020 9:49PM
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Just new to this room and loving the midlength discussion. First time poster also, so i apologise in advance for any misdoings.

Looking at getting a midlenght and after some thoughts please.

Im 54 and currently downsizing from 100kg, first goal 95 and stand 170cm. Been surfing since early teens (performance shortboards). Lost my mojo 10 years or so back and quit, but buying a flat water SUP eventually lead me down the path to SUP surfing for the last 5 years in pretty much the same conditions that I used to surf in, without the suckier reefs or crowded angry points for obvious reasons LOL.

Made the switch back to shortboards 6 months or so back, starting with a 6'6 CatchSurf quad foamie 55L, then picked up a 6'8 JS Raging Bull step up 45.7L and lastly a Machado Seaside Quad 6'1 46.5L. Have had some fun waves on them all but for my local beach and surrounds (Wanda, Garie the Gong down to Bawley) Im thinking that a midlength is going to round out my quiver.
I'm at home laying down drawn out cutties, low bottom turns and love to draw 8's all day if possible:) So looking for a mid that will get me there.

From what i have read here, I'm thinking around the 7'2-7'6 length, with some entry and exit V, (single to double concave?). Not too flat in the rocker for steeper hollower waves but not too much rocker for smaller beach days?
I have already invested in a couple of different keel quad fin sets, so thinking of maybe going with the 5 fin option, to play with quad or twin options. Most here seem to love the 2+1 setup, mmmm what to do?
Also keen on light to medium swallow tails, but don't mind a rounded pin either.

These are my thoughts on what might suit me best so far but open to suggestions please.

Can anyone recommend and surf shops, in the Illawarra region, that have a good selection of mid's?
Have been keeping an eye on here and Gumtree also. If anyone has seen or knows of anything similar to these available anywhere, please let me know also.

The two pics below are of boards that have REALLY caught my eye as lovely specimens of midlenghts.
I think that the top one is only a 3 fin setup though?











Firstly, thanks for all help and advice on choosing a midlenght to add to my quiver, in particular the DM from the previous owner of the yellow 5 fin fish that I posted. Ledgend!!!!!

So the pic of the yellow board that I posted, ended up being a 8'0 Stepdeck Fish shaped by Wizstix Surfboards in Long Jetty NSW.
After reading the awesome wrap from the previous owner and learning of their history of shaping these style of boards, I went up on Friday and put in a custom order, that will be hand shaped by Gary "Wizard" Loveridge.

After talking with Gary about volume and length options and he checked out the shortboards that I'm riding most at the moment (6'1 Machado Seaside, Catchsurf Skipper 6'6, both quads), we landed on a 7'0, 21 1/2", 2 7/8-3" Stepdeck Fish. I'm going with a Royal Navy resin tint with double cut laps, 6/4 on the deck and 6 on then base, FCSII 5 fin setup and a polished gloss coat. Getting the double cut laps and gloss coat bumped up the price a fair bit but I'm excited about how the finish of the board is going to look:) He had a red resin tinted 7'? single fin with a gloss coat ready for some guy down the South Coast and it looked amazing! He recommended the FCS2 AM fins. Should be ready in about 5 weeks and i'll post a pic up here when i get it.

www.surffcs.com.au/collections/quads/products/fcs-ii-al-merrick-pc-aircore-tri-quad-fins?variant=18282462150713

onefin
125 posts
Saturday , 18 Jan 2020 7:54PM
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Ricooso said..

Ricooso said..
Just new to this room and loving the midlength discussion. First time poster also, so i apologise in advance for any misdoings.

Looking at getting a midlenght and after some thoughts please.

Im 54 and currently downsizing from 100kg, first goal 95 and stand 170cm. Been surfing since early teens (performance shortboards). Lost my mojo 10 years or so back and quit, but buying a flat water SUP eventually lead me down the path to SUP surfing for the last 5 years in pretty much the same conditions that I used to surf in, without the suckier reefs or crowded angry points for obvious reasons LOL.

Made the switch back to shortboards 6 months or so back, starting with a 6'6 CatchSurf quad foamie 55L, then picked up a 6'8 JS Raging Bull step up 45.7L and lastly a Machado Seaside Quad 6'1 46.5L. Have had some fun waves on them all but for my local beach and surrounds (Wanda, Garie the Gong down to Bawley) Im thinking that a midlength is going to round out my quiver.
I'm at home laying down drawn out cutties, low bottom turns and love to draw 8's all day if possible:) So looking for a mid that will get me there.

From what i have read here, I'm thinking around the 7'2-7'6 length, with some entry and exit V, (single to double concave?). Not too flat in the rocker for steeper hollower waves but not too much rocker for smaller beach days?
I have already invested in a couple of different keel quad fin sets, so thinking of maybe going with the 5 fin option, to play with quad or twin options. Most here seem to love the 2+1 setup, mmmm what to do?
Also keen on light to medium swallow tails, but don't mind a rounded pin either.

These are my thoughts on what might suit me best so far but open to suggestions please.

Can anyone recommend and surf shops, in the Illawarra region, that have a good selection of mid's?
Have been keeping an eye on here and Gumtree also. If anyone has seen or knows of anything similar to these available anywhere, please let me know also.

The two pics below are of boards that have REALLY caught my eye as lovely specimens of midlenghts.
I think that the top one is only a 3 fin setup though?











Firstly, thanks for all help and advice on choosing a midlenght to add to my quiver, in particular the DM from the previous owner of the yellow 5 fin fish that I posted. Ledgend!!!!!

So the pic of the yellow board that I posted, ended up being a 8'0 Stepdeck Fish shaped by Wizstix Surfboards in Long Jetty NSW.
After reading the awesome wrap from the previous owner and learning of their history of shaping these style of boards, I went up on Friday and put in a custom order, that will be hand shaped by Gary "Wizard" Loveridge.

After talking with Gary about volume and length options and he checked out the shortboards that I'm riding most at the moment (6'1 Machado Seaside, Catchsurf Skipper 6'6, both quads), we landed on a 7'0, 21 1/2", 2 7/8-3" Stepdeck Fish. I'm going with a Royal Navy resin tint with double cut laps, 6/4 on the deck and 6 on then base, FCSII 5 fin setup and a polished gloss coat. Getting the double cut laps and gloss coat bumped up the price a fair bit but I'm excited about how the finish of the board is going to look:) He had a red resin tinted 7'? single fin with a gloss coat ready for some guy down the South Coast and it looked amazing! He recommended the FCS2 AM fins. Should be ready in about 5 weeks and i'll post a pic up here when i get it.

www.surffcs.com.au/collections/quads/products/fcs-ii-al-merrick-pc-aircore-tri-quad-fins?variant=18282462150713


Sounds awesome, congratulations......and post a pic in 5 weeks

McHenry
SA, 1664 posts
Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 8:44AM
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Hi all, need some advice, I'm 62 yrs old weighing in at 92 kgs. I am looking around for a new board. I spent about 4 months in Bali 18 months ago riding my old 7'8 powerglide which was still a pleasure to ride but even though I paddled past everyone on the way back out to the lineup when paddling for a wave the back end would get bogged down and I'd lose momentum which made it tough competing against longboards. On the rare occasions I was in uncrowded surf and could pick my spot it wasn't a problem but usually longboards were taking off 10-15 meters outside me. I was also 7 or 8 kgs lighter at the time which means I need more volume and length. Grant Miller isn't shaping at the moment, he has more pressing issues otherwise I would just get a beefed up 8ft powerglide and maybe do away with the full nose for easier duck diving.
So too eventually get to the point I've narrowed my search down to -

8ft McCoy nugget, problem being they are thin on the ground in the west and I don't really wanna pay $1500+ for a custom and there's probably not enough time before my trip to Lombok anyway. (but I could probably find one if need be)

8ft Trigger Bros Stubby, I really haven't found much discussion about these, I'm sure it would catch waves but I'm afraid it's 75 ltrs would be to boaty.
I bought a 7s 8ft step deck once, it paddled ok but you had to steer it like a truck.

I've just spotted a 8ft Christensen Flat Tracker in town, 8 x 211/2 x 3 1/8, for $1295

So what I need to know is will the Flat tracker paddle as well and have the same stability as the Nugget?
I'm an old back foot surfer who grew up surfing single fins so I'm thinking they would both suit my preferred style.
Does anyone have any info or opinion about the Trigger Bros Hot Dog Stubby?


No shortage of great high volume 8'ers out there. Locally you could talk to Yahoo as I'm sure they could do something awesome for you. You could get a nugget but one made overseas not the custom made ones, Mick Mackie does an awesome high volume Midlength, Tak Scorpion, McT Sumo, etc etc

McHenry
SA, 1664 posts
Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 8:46AM
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Ricooso said..
Just new to this room and loving the midlength discussion. First time poster also, so i apologise in advance for any misdoings.

Looking at getting a midlenght and after some thoughts please.

Im 54 and currently downsizing from 100kg, first goal 95 and stand 170cm. Been surfing since early teens (performance shortboards). Lost my mojo 10 years or so back and quit, but buying a flat water SUP eventually lead me down the path to SUP surfing for the last 5 years in pretty much the same conditions that I used to surf in, without the suckier reefs or crowded angry points for obvious reasons LOL.

Made the switch back to shortboards 6 months or so back, starting with a 6'6 CatchSurf quad foamie 55L, then picked up a 6'8 JS Raging Bull step up 45.7L and lastly a Machado Seaside Quad 6'1 46.5L. Have had some fun waves on them all but for my local beach and surrounds (Wanda, Garie the Gong down to Bawley) Im thinking that a midlength is going to round out my quiver.
I'm at home laying down drawn out cutties, low bottom turns and love to draw 8's all day if possible:) So looking for a mid that will get me there.

From what i have read here, I'm thinking around the 7'2-7'6 length, with some entry and exit V, (single to double concave?). Not too flat in the rocker for steeper hollower waves but not too much rocker for smaller beach days?
I have already invested in a couple of different keel quad fin sets, so thinking of maybe going with the 5 fin option, to play with quad or twin options. Most here seem to love the 2+1 setup, mmmm what to do?
Also keen on light to medium swallow tails, but don't mind a rounded pin either.

These are my thoughts on what might suit me best so far but open to suggestions please.

Can anyone recommend and surf shops, in the Illawarra region, that have a good selection of mid's?
Have been keeping an eye on here and Gumtree also. If anyone has seen or knows of anything similar to these available anywhere, please let me know also.

The two pics below are of boards that have REALLY caught my eye as lovely specimens of midlenghts.
I think that the top one is only a 3 fin setup though?











Firstly, thanks for all help and advice on choosing a midlenght to add to my quiver, in particular the DM from the previous owner of the yellow 5 fin fish that I posted. Ledgend!!!!!

So the pic of the yellow board that I posted, ended up being a 8'0 Stepdeck Fish shaped by Wizstix Surfboards in Long Jetty NSW.
After reading the awesome wrap from the previous owner and learning of their history of shaping these style of boards, I went up on Friday and put in a custom order, that will be hand shaped by Gary "Wizard" Loveridge.

After talking with Gary about volume and length options and he checked out the shortboards that I'm riding most at the moment (6'1 Machado Seaside, Catchsurf Skipper 6'6, both quads), we landed on a 7'0, 21 1/2", 2 7/8-3" Stepdeck Fish. I'm going with a Royal Navy resin tint with double cut laps, 6/4 on the deck and 6 on then base, FCSII 5 fin setup and a polished gloss coat. Getting the double cut laps and gloss coat bumped up the price a fair bit but I'm excited about how the finish of the board is going to look:) He had a red resin tinted 7'? single fin with a gloss coat ready for some guy down the South Coast and it looked amazing! He recommended the FCS2 AM fins. Should be ready in about 5 weeks and i'll post a pic up here when i get it.

www.surffcs.com.au/collections/quads/products/fcs-ii-al-merrick-pc-aircore-tri-quad-fins?variant=18282462150713


Awesome to hear Ricooso!! Can't wait to see the finished product in 5 weeks and better yet you got EXACTLY what you wanted. Board is going to fly!!!!

McHenry
SA, 1664 posts
Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 10:22AM
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seadog57 said..
Hi all, need some advice, I'm 62 yrs old weighing in at 92 kgs. I am looking around for a new board. I spent about 4 months in Bali 18 months ago riding my old 7'8 powerglide which was still a pleasure to ride but even though I paddled past everyone on the way back out to the lineup when paddling for a wave the back end would get bogged down and I'd lose momentum which made it tough competing against longboards. On the rare occasions I was in uncrowded surf and could pick my spot it wasn't a problem but usually longboards were taking off 10-15 meters outside me. I was also 7 or 8 kgs lighter at the time which means I need more volume and length. Grant Miller isn't shaping at the moment, he has more pressing issues otherwise I would just get a beefed up 8ft powerglide and maybe do away with the full nose for easier duck diving.
So too eventually get to the point I've narrowed my search down to -

8ft McCoy nugget, problem being they are thin on the ground in the west and I don't really wanna pay $1500+ for a custom and there's probably not enough time before my trip to Lombok anyway. (but I could probably find one if need be)

8ft Trigger Bros Stubby, I really haven't found much discussion about these, I'm sure it would catch waves but I'm afraid it's 75 ltrs would be to boaty.
I bought a 7s 8ft step deck once, it paddled ok but you had to steer it like a truck.

I've just spotted a 8ft Christensen Flat Tracker in town, 8 x 211/2 x 3 1/8, for $1295

So what I need to know is will the Flat tracker paddle as well and have the same stability as the Nugget?
I'm an old back foot surfer who grew up surfing single fins so I'm thinking they would both suit my preferred style.
Does anyone have any info or opinion about the Trigger Bros Hot Dog Stubby?


One of these would be awesome and CW has a shop out west


thedrip
WA, 2121 posts
Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 10:56AM
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seadog57 said..
Hi all, need some advice, I'm 62 yrs old weighing in at 92 kgs. I am looking around for a new board. I spent about 4 months in Bali 18 months ago riding my old 7'8 powerglide which was still a pleasure to ride but even though I paddled past everyone on the way back out to the lineup when paddling for a wave the back end would get bogged down and I'd lose momentum which made it tough competing against longboards. On the rare occasions I was in uncrowded surf and could pick my spot it wasn't a problem but usually longboards were taking off 10-15 meters outside me. I was also 7 or 8 kgs lighter at the time which means I need more volume and length. Grant Miller isn't shaping at the moment, he has more pressing issues otherwise I would just get a beefed up 8ft powerglide and maybe do away with the full nose for easier duck diving.
So too eventually get to the point I've narrowed my search down to -

8ft McCoy nugget, problem being they are thin on the ground in the west and I don't really wanna pay $1500+ for a custom and there's probably not enough time before my trip to Lombok anyway. (but I could probably find one if need be)

8ft Trigger Bros Stubby, I really haven't found much discussion about these, I'm sure it would catch waves but I'm afraid it's 75 ltrs would be to boaty.
I bought a 7s 8ft step deck once, it paddled ok but you had to steer it like a truck.

I've just spotted a 8ft Christensen Flat Tracker in town, 8 x 211/2 x 3 1/8, for $1295

So what I need to know is will the Flat tracker paddle as well and have the same stability as the Nugget?
I'm an old back foot surfer who grew up surfing single fins so I'm thinking they would both suit my preferred style.
Does anyone have any info or opinion about the Trigger Bros Hot Dog Stubby?


Disclaimer - long term fan and would have said this anyway, but recent Yahoo employee so just being upfront.

If you are in WA, why not look at Yahoo's Easy Rider or Blackbeard? I have heard great things about the Easy Rider. I have surfed a 7'6" Blackbeard and it went well. Oggy also does smaller versions of his longboards.

i haven't surfed a nugget in that size, but I have surfed several in smaller sizes. They are a different beasty with his bottom. Some people love them, some don't (I did btw).

thedrip
WA, 2121 posts
Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 10:58AM
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seadog57 said..
Hi all, need some advice, I'm 62 yrs old weighing in at 92 kgs. I am looking around for a new board. I spent about 4 months in Bali 18 months ago riding my old 7'8 powerglide which was still a pleasure to ride but even though I paddled past everyone on the way back out to the lineup when paddling for a wave the back end would get bogged down and I'd lose momentum which made it tough competing against longboards. On the rare occasions I was in uncrowded surf and could pick my spot it wasn't a problem but usually longboards were taking off 10-15 meters outside me. I was also 7 or 8 kgs lighter at the time which means I need more volume and length. Grant Miller isn't shaping at the moment, he has more pressing issues otherwise I would just get a beefed up 8ft powerglide and maybe do away with the full nose for easier duck diving.
So too eventually get to the point I've narrowed my search down to -

8ft McCoy nugget, problem being they are thin on the ground in the west and I don't really wanna pay $1500+ for a custom and there's probably not enough time before my trip to Lombok anyway. (but I could probably find one if need be)

8ft Trigger Bros Stubby, I really haven't found much discussion about these, I'm sure it would catch waves but I'm afraid it's 75 ltrs would be to boaty.
I bought a 7s 8ft step deck once, it paddled ok but you had to steer it like a truck.

I've just spotted a 8ft Christensen Flat Tracker in town, 8 x 211/2 x 3 1/8, for $1295

So what I need to know is will the Flat tracker paddle as well and have the same stability as the Nugget?
I'm an old back foot surfer who grew up surfing single fins so I'm thinking they would both suit my preferred style.
Does anyone have any info or opinion about the Trigger Bros Hot Dog Stubby?



No shortage of great high volume 8'ers out there. Locally you could talk to Yahoo as I'm sure they could do something awesome for you. You could get a nugget but one made overseas not the custom made ones, Mick Mackie does an awesome high volume Midlength, Tak Scorpion, McT Sumo, etc etc


Oh...you just said what I did. I didn't read the rest of the thread.

seadog57
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Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 12:54PM
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Thanks for the replies, I paid a visit to ClearWater shop a week or so ago and sent a message to SDR. He replied yesterday just after I made that post
Catching up with him this week, can't wait.
I've learnt quite a lot trawling through the mid length topics here.
Cheers.

McHenry
SA, 1664 posts
Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 4:16PM
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seadog57 said..
Thanks for the replies, I paid a visit to ClearWater shop a week or so ago and sent a message to SDR. He replied yesterday just after I made that post
Catching up with him this week, can't wait.
I've learnt quite a lot trawling through the mid length topics here.
Cheers.


Awesome! Most of the regulars on here (past and present) have owned Clearwater boards. I think no one would have a bad thing to say about SDR and his boards.
you will learn a lot more about Midlengths talking to someone who actually knows about surfboard design too

dools111
VIC, 45 posts
Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 4:48PM
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SDR 's modern hulls are a great all purpose mid - i've got the 7 2 in the pics a great all rounder single - although they are called "evo hull" model, they are not really hulls at all, very forgiving, great paddling. bit bigger and i'd recommend some side bites for versatility should be just what you're after.... this one paddles great, catches anything and turns super smooth




seadog57
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Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 3:40PM
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dools111 said..
SDR 's modern hulls are a great all purpose mid - i've got the 7 2 in the pics a great all rounder single - although they are called "evo hull" model, they are not really hulls at all, very forgiving, great paddling. bit bigger and i'd recommend some side bites for versatility should be just what you're after.... this one paddles great, catches anything and turns super smooth





Nice, that looks and sounds like the shape I'm after, you've just about read my mind, right down to the side bites. Blow it out to 8ft to make allowances for it's aged owner and it's pretty close to what I'd imagined.

Hydromann
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Yesterday , 19 Jan 2020 3:53PM
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Any and all, just a heads up on the Beau Young Carbon Jet.

I'm on the 6'10" as a step up from a shorty. Had it set up as a 2+1 with supplied fins. First couple of surfs was unsure of it. Low rocker and tight tail made it tricky to pivot on drop in and engage the rail like I'm used to with a shorter board.

That and a small peaking close out beach break with steep face did not help.

Converted it to a quad with FCS G5 up front and 4's trailing.

BAM instant change. Went from frustrated and wondering if it was the right ride to stoked.

Could take off sideways without it wanting to straighten up with the wave. Earlier wave pickup as well which helped.

The feeling of a quad is a lot like a loose surfskate skateboard. But the longer plank evens it out a lot.

And that is exactly why when you are hunting for a mid length to get one that allows you to change up your fin selection and setup.

If this board was stuck as a 2+1 or a thruster or even a twin it would still be good. But having just that little extra versatility and you can tune it in to almost any conditions.

Have to say thank I'm wrapped so far and can't wait to get a few better rides under her.



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