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Created by steview Two weeks ago, 29 Jun 2020
steview
12 posts
29 Jun 2020 3:08PM
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I have a jp 135 foilboard and starboard super cruzer foil . I am struggling to feel comfortable with my back foot in the strap and prefer it just in front and just inboard of the rear strap . The flight is fine and I have no issue getting onto the foil and maintaining height . Any thoughts on adjustments I could / should make to enable me to be more comfortable in the back straps ? ( ps they're already as forward and inboard as they will go )

snides8
WA, 1653 posts
29 Jun 2020 4:26PM
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steview said..
I have a jp 135 foilboard and starboard super cruzer foil . I am struggling to feel comfortable with my back foot in the strap and prefer it just in front and just inboard of the rear strap . The flight is fine and I have no issue getting onto the foil and maintaining height . Any thoughts on adjustments I could / should make to enable me to be more comfortable in the back straps ? ( ps they're already as forward and inboard as they will go )


You could go without a back strap.
Some crew here in WA inc myself prefer no back strap as it allows a range of foot movement especially
through lulls on free ride foils -Some crew prefer back straps.
i def use them on my race set up.

seanhogan
3181 posts
29 Jun 2020 5:24PM
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yes; absolutely no need for the back strap with the SC especially on a wide board like yours.

I was using the rear straps to reach upwind tight on a 122 sb but apart from that; it felt so much easier with no strap at the back on a wide board.
awesome foil for having fun and carving hard !

+ they're releasing a new rear wing to use the sc with a wing !

segler
438 posts
29 Jun 2020 11:33PM
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It sounds like your balance point is perhaps a bit too far forward. Can you move your main wing further aft? Also, have you tried to move your sail mast base further aft?

Paducah
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30 Jun 2020 12:36AM
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segler said..
It sounds like your balance point is perhaps a bit too far forward. Can you move your main wing further aft? Also, have you tried to move your sail mast base further aft?



AFAIK, the JP135 is deep tuttle. Edit: nvm - not sure that my experience is going to be helpful



steview, how much weight are you putting through the harness and how much do you weigh (if you don't mind my asking). These things will affect where your back foot is comfortable. I absolutely agree with others that you can just ignore the back strap with your set up.

steview
12 posts
30 Jun 2020 12:42AM
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I weigh 80kg and although i'm Using harness I wouldn't say I was transferring much weight through it . Mast base is pretty much in the middle . My concern was that if I moved it back to get into back strap that I would get too much lift . Watching sams video you would think I would need it a long way back with super cruzer foil but i'm getting plenty of lift with it in the middle and rear foot just in front of strap

Grantmac
342 posts
30 Jun 2020 3:33AM
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Move the stabilizer back or the mast base forward to weight the back foot.

steview
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30 Jun 2020 3:47AM
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I know i'm Being thick but why would moving the mast base forward weight my back foot ? I would have assumed moving it back would have rocked weight onto my back foot ? Maybe i'm misunderstanding the mechanics of it .

Subsonic
WA, 2061 posts
30 Jun 2020 5:57AM
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I know i'm Being thick but why would moving the mast base forward weight my back foot ? I would have assumed moving it back would have rocked weight onto my back foot ? Maybe i'm misunderstanding the mechanics of it .



Moving the mast base forward moves the rigs weight forward. So you counter it by weighting the back foot to keep the board flying.

but in all honesty as others have said, Unless you want to chase upwind angles, i wouldnt bother with the back straps.

CaptFathom
TAS, 51 posts
30 Jun 2020 8:25AM
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seanhogan said..
yes; absolutely no need for the back strap with the SC especially on a wide board like yours.

I was using the rear straps to reach upwind tight on a 122 sb but apart from that; it felt so much easier with no strap at the back on a wide board.
awesome foil for having fun and carving hard !

+ they're releasing a new rear wing to use the sc with a wing !


"+ they're releasing a new rear wing to use the sc with a wing !"

Heh Sean, do you have more info in this? Do you mean a front wing change possible as well?

Peter Hands
VIC, 119 posts
30 Jun 2020 9:07AM
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I'm using Supercruiser with Fanatic Stingray - back strap = more power/speed - I always use it to get as far upwind as possible, especially as I have straps inboard, and it helps control in rough water
Then I mostly take back foot out for swell riding/downwinding as I move it around continually - back strap never gets in my way, but this may be an issue on other boards?
For me, keep the back strap - adds a lot of performance for zero cost

azymuth
WA, 1079 posts
30 Jun 2020 8:44AM
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Peter Hands said..
I'm using Supercruiser with Fanatic Stingray - back strap = more power/speed - I always use it to get as far upwind as possible, especially as I have straps inboard, and it helps control in rough water
Then I mostly take back foot out for swell riding/downwinding as I move it around continually - back strap never gets in my way, but this may be an issue on other boards?
For me, keep the back strap - adds a lot of performance for zero cost


Back strap also works great for carving downwind. Keep your foot planted and move your weight - worth a try

Swindy
WA, 332 posts
30 Jun 2020 10:27AM
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I've used the supercruiser and JP 135 quite a bit now and imho even inboard the rear strap wouldn't be far enough in for carving down wind or far enough forward. Mine are in the outboard position and at the back which is still good for going upwind. Going downwind and my attempts at carving the back of my heel is against the front of the footstrap or even a bit further forward just on the edge of the pad. If I had the straps forward and inboard they would get in the way. Even though I have a great time with this combo, obviously downwind carving wasn't in the board design brief and was probably aimed more at the NP F4 evo foil. If it bothered me I would put more inserts in but I'm having a great time as it is.
As a side note, having used the 1300 wave front wing in place of the 1700 on a few occasions now, it is a must have for stronger winds. Just a pitty starboard don't make an even smaller wing to compete with the i65

azymuth
WA, 1079 posts
30 Jun 2020 10:46AM
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Swindy said..
I've used the supercruiser and JP 135 quite a bit now and imho even inboard the rear strap wouldn't be far enough in for carving down wind or far enough forward. Mine are in the outboard position and at the back which is still good for going upwind. Going downwind and my attempts at carving the back of my heel is against the front of the footstrap or even a bit further forward just on the edge of the pad. If I had the straps forward and inboard they would get in the way. Even though I have a great time with this combo, obviously downwind carving wasn't in the board design brief and was probably aimed more at the NP F4 evo foil. If it bothered me I would put more inserts in but I'm having a great time as it is.
As a side note, having used the 1300 wave front wing in place of the 1700 on a few occasions now, it is a must have for stronger winds. Just a pitty starboard don't make an even smaller wing to compete with the i65



Good point Roger.
Back footstraps work well downwinding on the SS Wizards and Freestyle boards - wouldn't work on boards where the straps are further outboard.

ducati
QLD, 439 posts
30 Jun 2020 3:32PM
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Swindy said..
I've used the supercruiser and JP 135 quite a bit now and imho even inboard the rear strap wouldn't be far enough in for carving down wind or far enough forward. Mine are in the outboard position and at the back


Hi Swindy, I got the Supercruiser and JP135 as well
what position do you put your mastbase and front footstraps?

Peter Hands
VIC, 119 posts
30 Jun 2020 4:14PM
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azymuth said..

Peter Hands said..
I'm using Supercruiser with Fanatic Stingray - back strap = more power/speed - I always use it to get as far upwind as possible, especially as I have straps inboard, and it helps control in rough water
Then I mostly take back foot out for swell riding/downwinding as I move it around continually - back strap never gets in my way, but this may be an issue on other boards?
For me, keep the back strap - adds a lot of performance for zero cost



Back strap also works great for carving downwind. Keep your foot planted and move your weight - worth a try


Scary tho! I am doing it more often, but managing sudden acceleration in gusts and down wave face with back foot in sure tests the reflexes!

Swindy
WA, 332 posts
30 Jun 2020 2:37PM
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ducati said..

Swindy said..
I've used the supercruiser and JP 135 quite a bit now and imho even inboard the rear strap wouldn't be far enough in for carving down wind or far enough forward. Mine are in the outboard position and at the back



Hi Swindy, I got the Supercruiser and JP135 as well
what position do you put your mastbase and front footstraps?


Front footstrap outboard in the back holes only because use the gtr as well. Mast base a few CM either side of centre of the track. Further forward with the gtr. Forward in stronger wind and back in lighter wind. The stabiliser adjustment also affects where the mast base goes so if you leave it set in the middle for a few sessions of varying winds you will find a sweet spot for your base in relation to the wind strength. Once you have this mess with the stab a bit to find its sweet spot for you. I'm 95kg so if you are lighter you may have to shift things more forward than me.
My preference is to have neutral foot pressure going upwind hanging in the harness so when going across and down wind I don't have to fight to keep the nose down. So that's what I aim for and works for me. Hope this helps.
Now I'm using the smaller wing in stronger winds I haven't needed to put the mast base forward of centre.

seanhogan
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30 Jun 2020 5:08PM
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"+ they're releasing a new rear wing to use the sc with a wing !"

Heh Sean, do you have more info in this? Do you mean a front wing change possible as well?



Yes a little , it's called the RAZR available in 220 and 250
Front wing change is easy and already available in 1500 and 2000 for the classic SC

if you want more choice, best move is to get the quick lock fuselage (awesome piece of equipment) and then have access to :
xwing 1100
surf wings
1200
1300
1500
1700
2000
2400

utcminusfour
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30 Jun 2020 7:46PM
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seanhogan said..

Captflathead said..
"+ they're releasing a new rear wing to use the sc with a wing !"

Heh Sean, do you have more info in this? Do you mean a front wing change possible as well?




Yes a little , it's called the RAZR available in 220 and 250
Front wing change is easy and already available in 1500 and 2000 for the classic SC

if you want more choice, best move is to get the quick lock fuselage (awesome piece of equipment) and then have access to :
xwing 1100
surf wings
1200
1300
1500
1700
2000
2400


Hey Sean,
Please tell us more about the quick lock fuse and are all those wings Starboard products?

Grantmac
342 posts
1 Jul 2020 12:16AM
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Isn't the QL fuselage much shorter?

WhiteofHeart
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1 Jul 2020 2:45AM
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Swindy said..
I've used the supercruiser and JP 135 quite a bit now and imho even inboard the rear strap wouldn't be far enough in for carving down wind or far enough forward. Mine are in the outboard position and at the back which is still good for going upwind. Going downwind and my attempts at carving the back of my heel is against the front of the footstrap or even a bit further forward just on the edge of the pad. If I had the straps forward and inboard they would get in the way. Even though I have a great time with this combo, obviously downwind carving wasn't in the board design brief and was probably aimed more at the NP F4 evo foil. If it bothered me I would put more inserts in but I'm having a great time as it is.
As a side note, having used the 1300 wave front wing in place of the 1700 on a few occasions now, it is a must have for stronger winds. Just a pitty starboard don't make an even smaller wing to compete with the i65





Good point Roger.
Back footstraps work well downwinding on the SS Wizards and Freestyle boards - wouldn't work on boards where the straps are further outboard.


?
Not the boards' problem. Matching a low aspect foil designed for sails <6.5 with a board designed for 5.5-8.5sqm sails is the problem. I wouldnt want to match up these two bits of kit any day if I had a choice. Smaller board or different foil. The FoilX is what the foil was designed for.

Same as trying to use a 4.5 wavesail on a 140L slalomboard and thinking its strange you cant comfortably reach the footstraps..

seanhogan
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1 Jul 2020 5:06AM
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Grantmac said..
Isn't the QL fuselage much shorter?


yes it's around 67cm great for wing and sup foiling maybe not so great for windfoiling (worth a try, I haven't yet)
What I like about the idea is that it's real quick to put together. And you get a carbon rear fuselage part.


"are all those wings Starboard products?"

Yes, all on the catalogue


RAZR




steview
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2 Jul 2020 1:00AM
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azymuth said..



Swindy said..
I've used the supercruiser and JP 135 quite a bit now and imho even inboard the rear strap wouldn't be far enough in for carving down wind or far enough forward. Mine are in the outboard position and at the back which is still good for going upwind. Going downwind and my attempts at carving the back of my heel is against the front of the footstrap or even a bit further forward just on the edge of the pad. If I had the straps forward and inboard they would get in the way. Even though I have a great time with this combo, obviously downwind carving wasn't in the board design brief and was probably aimed more at the NP F4 evo foil. If it bothered me I would put more inserts in but I'm having a great time as it is.
As a side note, having used the 1300 wave front wing in place of the 1700 on a few occasions now, it is a must have for stronger winds. Just a pitty starboard don't make an even smaller wing to compete with the i65






Good point Roger.
Back footstraps work well downwinding on the SS Wizards and Freestyle boards - wouldn't work on boards where the straps are further outboard.



?
Not the boards' problem. Matching a low aspect foil designed for sails
Same as trying to use a 4.5 wavesail on a 140L slalomboard and thinking its strange you cant comfortably reach the footstraps..


Oh right , I didn't realise the foil was that board specific. Me being thick again but on basis boards have similar volume and mast track is similar distance from foil box on both what makes the foil x work with the super cruzer and the jp 135 foil not ?

WhiteofHeart
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2 Jul 2020 1:22AM
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steview said..



WhiteofHeart said..




azymuth said..






Swindy said..
I've used the supercruiser and JP 135 quite a bit now and imho even inboard the rear strap wouldn't be far enough in for carving down wind or far enough forward. Mine are in the outboard position and at the back which is still good for going upwind. Going downwind and my attempts at carving the back of my heel is against the front of the footstrap or even a bit further forward just on the edge of the pad. If I had the straps forward and inboard they would get in the way. Even though I have a great time with this combo, obviously downwind carving wasn't in the board design brief and was probably aimed more at the NP F4 evo foil. If it bothered me I would put more inserts in but I'm having a great time as it is.
As a side note, having used the 1300 wave front wing in place of the 1700 on a few occasions now, it is a must have for stronger winds. Just a pitty starboard don't make an even smaller wing to compete with the i65









Good point Roger.
Back footstraps work well downwinding on the SS Wizards and Freestyle boards - wouldn't work on boards where the straps are further outboard.






?
Not the boards' problem. Matching a low aspect foil designed for sails
Same as trying to use a 4.5 wavesail on a 140L slalomboard and thinking its strange you cant comfortably reach the footstraps..





Oh right , I didn't realise the foil was that board specific. Me being thick again but on basis boards have similar volume and mast track is similar distance from foil box on both what makes the foil x work with the super cruzer and the jp 135 foil not ?




Well, it works, but the foilX has 10L more volume, but is 10cm less wide, 35 cm less long and has completely different (more inboard) footstrap positions. The JP135 is a freerace board, and the supercruiser is a freewave type foil. If you look at the Neilpryde/F4 Carbon foil the board was designed for you can see its about furthest apart from the supercruiser as can be.

I recently used this plank from a wooden cupboard to pump foil and wingfoil with, any plank works, not ideal..


steview
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2 Jul 2020 1:41AM
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WhiteofHeart said..

steview said..




WhiteofHeart said..





azymuth said..







Swindy said..
I've used the supercruiser and JP 135 quite a bit now and imho even inboard the rear strap wouldn't be far enough in for carving down wind or far enough forward. Mine are in the outboard position and at the back which is still good for going upwind. Going downwind and my attempts at carving the back of my heel is against the front of the footstrap or even a bit further forward just on the edge of the pad. If I had the straps forward and inboard they would get in the way. Even though I have a great time with this combo, obviously downwind carving wasn't in the board design brief and was probably aimed more at the NP F4 evo foil. If it bothered me I would put more inserts in but I'm having a great time as it is.
As a side note, having used the 1300 wave front wing in place of the 1700 on a few occasions now, it is a must have for stronger winds. Just a pitty starboard don't make an even smaller wing to compete with the i65










Good point Roger.
Back footstraps work well downwinding on the SS Wizards and Freestyle boards - wouldn't work on boards where the straps are further outboard.







?
Not the boards' problem. Matching a low aspect foil designed for sails
Same as trying to use a 4.5 wavesail on a 140L slalomboard and thinking its strange you cant comfortably reach the footstraps..






Oh right , I didn't realise the foil was that board specific. Me being thick again but on basis boards have similar volume and mast track is similar distance from foil box on both what makes the foil x work with the super cruzer and the jp 135 foil not ?





Well, it works, but the foilX has 10L more volume, but is 10cm less wide, 35 cm less long and has completely different (more inboard) footstrap positions. The JP135 is a freerace board, and the supercruiser is a freewave type foil. If you look at the Neilpryde/F4 Carbon foil the board was designed for you can see its about furthest apart from the supercruiser as can be.

I recently used this plank from a wooden cupboard to pump foil and wingfoil with, any plank works, not ideal..



Cheers , learning all the time !

Grantmac
342 posts
2 Jul 2020 3:41AM
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seanhogan said..

Grantmac said..
Isn't the QL fuselage much shorter?



yes it's around 67cm great for wing and sup foiling maybe not so great for windfoiling (worth a try, I haven't yet)
What I like about the idea is that it's real quick to put together. And you get a carbon rear fuselage part.


"are all those wings Starboard products?"

Yes, all on the catalogue


RAZR





A long version of that tail would be great.
Especially since the tail takes so much less force it would drop a lot of weight.

Swindy
WA, 332 posts
Monday , 13 Jul 2020 6:28PM
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Took the JPlank 135 and supercruiser with 1300 front wing attached out yesterday in near perfect winter conditions. Managed about 75km from go to wo but the GPS battery died at 63km. It may not be perfectly matched but would the grin on my face been any bigger with a shorter narrower board. May be a little but not much.
Biggest problem ATM is availability and to many, affordability of a specific foil board. I have waited months for foil gear I have ordered in the past and now. Heaps of people are still using slalom, formula and free-ride boards and still having fun on them. Let's face it, far more foils than boards have been sold so far so it will be a while before most people are riding perfectly matched gear.
So if you have a JPlank and a free ride foil ignore the back straps and just have some fun on it.









azymuth
WA, 1079 posts
Monday , 13 Jul 2020 7:57PM
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Swindy said..
Took the JPlank 135 and supercruiser with 1300 front wing attached out yesterday in near perfect winter conditions. Managed about 75km from go to wo but the GPS battery died at 63km. It may not be perfectly matched but would the grin on my face been any bigger with a shorter narrower board. May be a little but not much.
Biggest problem ATM is availability and to many, affordability of a specific foil board. I have waited months for foil gear I have ordered in the past and now. Heaps of people are still using slalom, formula and free-ride boards and still having fun on them. Let's face it, far more foils than boards have been sold so far so it will be a while before most people are riding perfectly matched gear.
So if you have a JPlank and a free ride foil ignore the back straps and just have some fun on it.










Nice tracks Roger

Where is that - and was it weedy?

Pacey
WA, 233 posts
Monday , 13 Jul 2020 8:29PM
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azymuth said..

Swindy said..
Took the JPlank 135 and supercruiser with 1300 front wing attached out yesterday in near perfect winter conditions. Managed about 75km from go to wo but the GPS battery died at 63km. It may not be perfectly matched but would the grin on my face been any bigger with a shorter narrower board. May be a little but not much.
Biggest problem ATM is availability and to many, affordability of a specific foil board. I have waited months for foil gear I have ordered in the past and now. Heaps of people are still using slalom, formula and free-ride boards and still having fun on them. Let's face it, far more foils than boards have been sold so far so it will be a while before most people are riding perfectly matched gear.
So if you have a JPlank and a free ride foil ignore the back straps and just have some fun on it.










Nice tracks Roger

Where is that - and was it weedy?


JJ, this is Dawesville looking north towards Liptons, deep water and no weed

Swindy
WA, 332 posts
Monday , 13 Jul 2020 8:49PM
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JJ I, got 1 piece of weed on the stab and got caught on a crab pot rope so no prob for the distance covered. Nice little wind swells blowing down the channel which would have been better if the tide was running out against the wind. Great spot in any direction once out in the middle but SE E right round to NW are best.

cammd
QLD, 2796 posts
Tuesday , 14 Jul 2020 2:29PM
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I am setting up old formula's to race with, I am going to fit raceboard railing straps to them so I can move my feet around, seems like a good solution to finding a sweet spot in different conditions or angles plus less likely to get stuck in them during a crash. Just going to put in one extra forward footstrap insert per strap.



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