sl55 said..
Hey guys,
Comparing to I-76 wing position in relation to the mast, is the wing closer to position b or c on a phantasm?

Phantasm windfoil balance is similar to i76 in b position

Had about 10 sessions on the Phantasm now, it really is next level.
The 103wide mast is so stiff it provides a really secure feel. I think because of the length of the mast, turning requires a little more input BUT if sailed aggressively the rewards are amazing. It is possible to crank some incredible turns and gybes.
When it comes to 360's the possibilities are endless. The longer mast means you can turn hard without breaching a wingtip and the refined glide means you just float around.
It is simply a beautiful foil to ride

Meanwhile i got a preview information regarding the Phantasm wings.

The only HA wing for the Phantasm is the PTM 1001, but this is far smaller than the Moses 1100 or even 1250, that have areas beyond 2000 sqcm.
The High Lift / low wind wings are the 928 an 835 which seem to upgraded Infinity 84 an 99 shapes, classic low aspect wings.

I wonder why SS doesn't offer HA wings for light wind (winging) like SAB/Moses or Axis do.

ZeroVix said..

AlexF said..
Meanwhile i got a preview information regarding the Phantasm wings.

The only HA wing for the Phantasm is the PTM 1001, but this is far smaller than the Moses 1100 or even 1250, that have areas beyond 2000 sqcm.
The High Lift / low wind wings are the 928 an 835 which seem to upgraded Infinity 84 an 99 shapes, classic low aspect wings.

I wonder why SS doesn't offer HA wings for light wind (winging) like SAB/Moses or Axis do.

Just use the Moses 1100 on the Phantasm. You know it fits, right? The PTM 1001 is not the only HA for wind foiling. There is the PTM 730 & PTM 926. Slingshot made the largest wing in LA, which is the PFI 928 at 2343 cm2.

And the new PTM684 at around 1000 cm.
Zerovix is on the money I personally kite the PTM 730 and have a PTM 926 on order for winging and the PFI 730 on order for high wind wave kite foiling. Any of these wings will bolt right onto the Phantasm fuse.

AlexF said..

ZeroVix said..

AlexF said..
Meanwhile i got a preview information regarding the Phantasm wings.

The only HA wing for the Phantasm is the PTM 1001, but this is far smaller than the Moses 1100 or even 1250, that have areas beyond 2000 sqcm.
The High Lift / low wind wings are the 928 an 835 which seem to upgraded Infinity 84 an 99 shapes, classic low aspect wings.

I wonder why SS doesn't offer HA wings for light wind (winging) like SAB/Moses or Axis do.

Just use the Moses 1100 on the Phantasm. You know it fits, right? The PTM 1001 is not the only HA for wind foiling. There is the PTM 730 & PTM 926. Slingshot made the largest wing in LA, which is the PFI 928 at 2343 cm2.

Yeah, i know, Moses wings fit on the Phan.

I just wondered why SS hasn't jumped the HA bandwagon (yet).
I want to avoid to order the PFI 928 or 835 and a few weeks later they come up with a line of big HA wings (latest and greatest).

I think you are trying to say "Why don't they have large surface HA wings". They do have HA wings, just no bigger than 1233 cm2 (PTM 926). All the PTM are HA and PFI is LA. I am only going to speculate why they are not like the size of Moses 1100. The connection is with 3 M6 SS bolts. The load on a 1.1 m wing with 2100 cm2 is a lot. The 1100 from Moses is not a wind foil wing. They are also upgrading the fuse to 3 M8 bolts for those type of wings. I am referring to the new fuse from Moses. One has to be very careful with the 1100 wing for wind foiling with only 3 M6 SS bolts. Switching to titanium or going bigger to 3 M8 would help a lot.

...and then there is this monster!

www.sabfoil.ch/produkt/front-wing-1250-wing-2400-cm2/

Quick test of the new high aspect PTM 926 wing in a gusty 8-16 knots. Cheers Jesper

Works straight out of the box like all SS foils, no need for shims or angle measurements.
Super easy to ride, glides through sub 10 knot lulls effortlessly and gybes at walking pace, but still relatively quick for a big freeride wing - easily hit 20 knots a few times, my guess is you could push it to around 23 knots.
It's a thinner section than the 730 wing so feels slippery for it's size.

Flew for 45 minutes straight while wingers and other windfoilers were doing a fair amount of groveling.
Turns surprisingly well, the HA wing tips depress pretty easily to carve and it's simple to foot pump.
A lightwind weapon, awesome if you're not a proficient pumper and you want to max your glide on gusty days.
It'll probably work pretty well doing big lazy rail turns on smaller waves or downwinding ocean windswells.

It's not as playful, fast or carvey as the PFI 730 wing which is in a world of it's own in 15-30 knots - but I reckon I'll get a 926 to max the fun on sub 12 knot days

michaelpaf said..
So you your experience is that that the ptm 926 is working for lower Wind as the pfi730?

My Impression was that the pfi730 is flying eaier than the i76 and running through lulls like a hero.

I reckon with efficient sail pumping the PFI 730 is as good as the Infinity 76 at foiling in low wind - for me that means getting up in 10-12 knot gusts and flying through shortish 8 knot lulls. I'm 82 kgs.

After one test session I reckon it's easier to glide through lulls with the PTM 926 than the 730 without sail pumping.

Foot pumping is fun and seems to work better with the 926.

Early days

Solid westerly 25 to 35 knots
Super-stoked how controllable the Phantasm 730 is flying at tight upwind angles and downwind over mega-choppy 1m windswells.
As michaelpaf has suggested - possibly a one wing option for 10-35 knots, especially if you're 80-95 kgs and have a fair bit of foiling experience.

Awesome to see 6 windfoilers out taking on the gale force winds

W114L, Simmer Tricera 3.4m

azymuth said..
Solid westerly 25 to 35 knots
Super-stoked how controllable the Phantasm 730 is flying at tight upwind angles and downwind over mega-choppy 1m windswells.
As michaelpaf has suggested - possibly a one wing option for 10-35 knots, especially if you're 80-95 kgs and have a fair bit of foiling experience.

Awesome to see 6 windfoilers out taking on the gale force winds

W114L, Simmer Tricera 3.4m

Oh how I miss that crap in winter
Having said that I haven't been wet since Easter??

foilbrainz said..
Liking the look of the 730, but ideally need one foil set up with two front wings for wind and wing. Have the iQ for lightwind straight line stuff. Any advice guys? Sorry to hijack the thread ????

Lightwind straight line on the IQ? As soon as you get any wind, it screams upwind and downwind way better than the Slingshot 76 (which is similar to the 730). Your ability to do a beam reach though will be limited by balls and skill, because that's when you're not dumping enough lift to push upwind or dumping sail power by going deeper downwind.If you already have it I'd wait until they have updated slalom wings and just grab a slalom front, maybe a different fuse as well. At least, that's what I'm planning on.

foilbrainz said..
Liking the look of the 730, but ideally need one foil set up with two front wings for wind and wing. Have the iQ for lightwind straight line stuff. Any advice guys? Sorry to hijack the thread ????

Slingshot have a suite of wings to choose from they pretty much have a wing for any need.
Speak to your local dealer.

730 wind and 926 seem good. It'll be cheaper for me to travel to Europe, buy one and bring it back!

Epic wings

azymuth said..
Epic wings

Prized the PTM926 out of JJ's hands today.
Wind was fairly constant, maybe 10 to 13 knots
I had already sailed for about an hour on the 730, which continues to impress me, before switching to the PTM926.
For these conditions the 926 is a hands down winner. There was nothing that the 730 couldn't do, the 926 just makes it easier!!
The glide is incredible, no surprise with it being a modern high aspect wing, and despite its width I was pleasantly surprised by how well it turned.
Frothing on Phantasm becoming more available to hear other people's experience