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strap positionning

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Created by seanhogan 2 months ago, 14 Jun 2018
seanhogan
2858 posts
14 Jun 2018 5:50AM
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It seems that on classic boards (wide slalom/formulas) the foot strap position isn't ideal
Locally a few guys have gone strapless or have repositionned the straps, what about you guys ?







jusavina
QLD, 1109 posts
14 Jun 2018 10:48AM
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They need the long straps like on the Phantom raceboard

LeeD
270 posts
15 Jun 2018 2:47AM
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Foils have front wings placed at different positions. And bigger and smaller.
Foilers go out in different conditions.
Weights vary greatly, as does sailing style and preferences.
One size fits all? In dreams.

seanhogan
2858 posts
15 Jun 2018 7:45AM
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went out yesterday with a different set up
I normally use the gts (large stab/800 front wing/"short" fuselage)
So yesterday I tried the race fuselage (115) + 1100 front wing and large stab
Instant take off, that combo is a beast in light wind. Upwind is just so easy. Control too : I started carving on flat water!

Down side : simply impossible to keep my back foot in the straps, I could sometimes put the front foot (but only if going tight upwind).
So it's a bit mixed feelings for now, great setup, but I miss being in the straps (for now)
Could also be that I need to get used to the combo and move my body weight... or smaller stab (I was told by the experts on the beach LOL)
so many questions and so much gear to try !!!

sl55
25 posts
19 Jun 2018 4:36AM
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seanhogan said..
went out yesterday with a different set up
I normally use the gts (large stab/800 front wing/"short" fuselage)
So yesterday I tried the race fuselage (115) + 1100 front wing and large stab
Instant take off, that combo is a beast in light wind. Upwind is just so easy. Control too : I started carving on flat water!

Down side : simply impossible to keep my back foot in the straps, I could sometimes put the front foot (but only if going tight upwind).
So it's a bit mixed feelings for now, great setup, but I miss being in the straps (for now)
Could also be that I need to get used to the combo and move my body weight... or smaller stab (I was told by the experts on the beach LOL)
so many questions and so much gear to try !!!



I tried Race yesterday for the first time, after foiling on Slingshot and Horue Vini. What a difference in stability and control!
Used it with JP SLW 154. Found that fore-aft balance was fine, but need more heel support esp under rear foot to bank the board to winward and in general to keep it stable. Will probably try to build up some winglets like Steve Allen did on his foil board.


evilC
QLD, 629 posts
19 Jun 2018 4:54PM
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I put on the slingshot half straps when foiling to bring the back straps forwards and it makes it easier to move your foot around. The two holes in the slingshot half straps line up with the back two foot strap holes.


seanhogan
2858 posts
19 Jun 2018 3:10PM
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pretty cool !!! been thinking about those for a while !
The price tag is holding me back a little, not much use if I don't like them afterwards..

Windbot
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19 Jun 2018 11:18PM
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evilC said..
I put on the slingshot half straps when foiling to bring the back straps forwards and it makes it easier to move your foot around. The two holes in the slingshot half straps line up with the back two foot strap holes.



I like how you put them in the forward position. Treat them kind as they have a bad rep in the kite community for snapping, but that seems to be mostly the result of jumping or learner's torquing thmt when bodydragging.

WhiteofHeart
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25 Jun 2018 4:16AM
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My opinion on strapplacement is that having them as far forward as you guys do really impare learning the proper windfoiling stance. The straps on my JP135 are further aft than on a regular slalomboard (backstrapscrew in line with aft finscrew). This also works great with foils like the starboard race. Having the straps further back increases power for early flight, but also up/down performance and opens up jibing. With your straps that far forward where are you gonna put your feet during the jibe? Even further forward? Your weight should be situated over the front foot, with steady flight with even preassure on both legs when with your backfoot out of the backstrap. This also allows you to jibe without having to keep pushing the backfoot (big plus). See pic below (beamreach) for an example of a somewhat correct (in my not so humble opinion, but please excuse me) stance. With the straps that far forward you are most probably still clinging to your standard slalomstance with power on the backleg. Riding a foil is quite similar to riding a freestyleboard, also when racing!




scottydog
188 posts
27 Jun 2018 10:03PM
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seanhogan said..
It seems that on classic boards (wide slalom/formulas) the foot strap position isn't ideal
Locally a few guys have gone strapless or have repositionned the straps, what about you guys ?









Wow was just talking about this with someone that maybe another set of straps forward might be the way to go for when you are foiling at speed as the front lift increases!

sl55
25 posts
28 Jun 2018 11:08AM
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Just food for thought.
Thanks to Asmaster for making this image.
JP 135 indeed has the rear most position of the straps. Way more back and closer together than JP155, which is surprising given shorter and lighter nose of JP135. I watched Amado foiling on 155 and SB race in Bonaire, when Guy Cribb was shooting his drone video, and his straps were in neutral position, and his stance was comfortable. And boy was he flying!




Sputnik11
VIC, 834 posts
30 Jun 2018 10:40AM
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I went strapless at the back from about my 2nd sessions and have never put it back on. I find being able to adjust the back foot position give me greater control of the flight.

Gorgo
VIC, 3978 posts
30 Jun 2018 11:54AM
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Remember when you first started to ride in straps and the back strap was just too far back and you couldn't get your foot in it. You might even have added some strap inserts so you could use the back strap.

Then you got better at riding and you found yourself riding in the rearmost strap position.

Foiling is similar when everything is new and you're obsessing about irrelevant trivia. Possibly the best thing you can do is free yourself from your dependence on straps so that you can come back to them later on with enough skill to make an informed choice.



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