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2020 Raceboard and Formula Nationals

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Created by cammd 2 months ago, 12 Nov 2019
cammd
QLD, 2561 posts
12 Nov 2019 8:27PM
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Raceboard and Formula Nationals at RQYS Jan 20th to 24th

A little teaser of what to expect


aus368
NSW, 103 posts
13 Nov 2019 7:43AM
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Looks awesome! Event website open for entry: www.revolutionise.com.au/rqys/events/53257/

MatStirl
QLD, 82 posts
13 Nov 2019 7:36PM
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Looks great. Used to love sailing my race board.

Should we be combining classes these days and just having one windsurfer nationals? We all like the same sport after all.

If enough fleet numbers can separate the 'classes' and have raceboard, LT and formula/foil.

da vecta
QLD, 2455 posts
13 Nov 2019 10:27PM
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No, but RB and FW go together pretty well.

Chris 249
NSW, 2110 posts
14 Nov 2019 7:45AM
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MatStirl said..
Looks great. Used to love sailing my race board.

Should we be combining classes these days and just having one windsurfer nationals? We all like the same sport after all.

If enough fleet numbers can separate the 'classes' and have raceboard, LT and formula/foil.



We've looked at it, but it's not that easy. Some classes favour more open water; some have a significant number of kids and less experienced sailors, who don't. Some classes favour places with up-market accommodation, some need a wider range of options. Some fleets seem to be mainly single (at least for the weekend) guys, some have lots of people who bring families who may want more options for off the water stuff.

On the water management is also problematic. LTs do slalom, freestyle and marathon; if the other classes want to do course racing at that time then you're going to need two race committees, more boats, more marks, more scorers etc. And in NSW, you may be looking at 150 entries or more if everyone came together, and there are very few clubs with enough infrastructure for that.

Sharing the course is also problematic when the classes have such different speeds and turning characteristics. If you're on an LT and a RB is five lengths behind and you're going upwind, you've either got to accept taking their bad wind which annoys the LT; or tack quickly and call starboard or just luff, which annoys the RBer. One RB inside you at the bottom mark can ruin an entire race for an LT, and vice versa.

The other issue is that some people sail more than one class at nationals, which is impossible if they are both racing at the same time. Oh, and the LT attracts sailors from most states where the others are largely NSW/Qld, which brings in another set of issues.

MatStirl
QLD, 82 posts
15 Nov 2019 7:43AM
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Appreciate there are issues and I'm probably dreaming but would still love to race at one event.

At my local club we share a start line with paper tiger cats and the course with both them and F18 cats. Racing gets tricky at times but we manage and makes for some funny banter over beers after racing.

Last Tas windsurfer states had 22 LT's/hybrid course boards and about 8 x 29ers sharing a tiny windward/leeward course.

If we split fleets in Hobart we'd have about 5-15 x LTs, 3-5 course boards, 3-5 foil and maybe a formula. Sounds like too many race classes??

cammd
QLD, 2561 posts
10 Dec 2019 9:17PM
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Some shots from Sail Brisbane held over the weekend









da vecta
QLD, 2455 posts
10 Dec 2019 9:30PM
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Great shots thanks Mitchell

da vecta
QLD, 2455 posts
10 Dec 2019 9:30PM
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Watch out for the next generation coming through

azuli
QLD, 209 posts
20 Dec 2019 2:37PM
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Click here to register:
www.revolutionise.com.au/rqys/events/53257/

MatStirl
QLD, 82 posts
20 Dec 2019 10:29PM
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Hope you get a good turnout and some juniors. I wonder if RB and formula numbers will contract further in future.

Love the raceboard but LT might eat into its already limited numbers.

azuli
QLD, 209 posts
21 Dec 2019 8:58AM
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On the contrary, the number of Raceboards on the start line for our club racing at RQYS has doubled this year, mainly thanks to youth graduating from Techno, and they are giving us old blokes a run for our money as shown in the photos above .

Haven't seen any LTs racing at RQYS this season. saw one last season but it was doing the shorter Opti course because they are much slower.

Windsurfing classes aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, they can provide the opportunity to do more racing, attend more events and have more fun, which is what it's all about

windsufering
VIC, 922 posts
21 Dec 2019 9:48PM
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Yep it's great to see you had 10 entrants for the race board class at sail Brisbane , keep up the good work of promoting your class .

Chris 249
NSW, 2110 posts
21 Dec 2019 11:08PM
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azuli said...
On the contrary, the number of Raceboards on the start line for our club racing at RQYS has doubled this year, mainly thanks to youth graduating from Techno, and they are giving us old blokes a run for our money as shown in the photos above .

Haven't seen any LTs racing at RQYS this season. saw one last season but it was doing the shorter Opti course because they are much slower.

Windsurfing classes aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, they can provide the opportunity to do more racing, attend more events and have more fun, which is what it's all about


Well done RQ. Richie and Lissa seem to be growing DAC as well.

MatStirl
QLD, 82 posts
22 Dec 2019 6:07AM
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azuli said..
On the contrary, the number of Raceboards on the start line for our club racing at RQYS has doubled this year, mainly thanks to youth graduating from Techno, and they are giving us old blokes a run for our money as shown in the photos above .

Haven't seen any LTs racing at RQYS this season. saw one last season but it was doing the shorter Opti course because they are much slower.

Windsurfing classes aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, they can provide the opportunity to do more racing, attend more events and have more fun, which is what it's all about


Sounds good.
Tried to delete my post but couldn't figure out how.

Unfortunately the raceboard never gained a foothold down here in Hobart. Formula was popular but then dropped off. LT and freeriding dominate at moment.

Enjoy the racing.

MatStirl
QLD, 82 posts
22 Dec 2019 6:12AM
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Saw RSX and maybe Techno in footage?
Who gets around the course faster - them or the RB?

GoofyRyder-2206
QLD, 18 posts
22 Dec 2019 3:06PM
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MatStirl said..
Saw RSX and maybe Techno in footage?
Who gets around the course faster - them or the RB?


Depends a bit on who's sailing them, raceboards will beat a techno no trouble, but the RSX is competitive with the RB's when the wind comes in and they are able to plane upwind :)

MatStirl
QLD, 82 posts
22 Dec 2019 8:54PM
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Mmm.
Thought an RSX might beat a RB in a planing weather. Just shows that RB pretty efficient on most conditions

I'm going to sail my Mistral Prodigy/8m against the LT's and paper tiger cats soon. Guessing I'll be closer to PT's if over say 15knots.

PTs can do 3 laps to LT's 2.

jirvin4505
QLD, 1036 posts
22 Dec 2019 10:59PM
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MatStirl said..
Saw RSX and maybe Techno in footage?
Who gets around the course faster - them or the RB?


Yes quite few techno sails 8.5m youth using them on race boards not any techno 293 in the above photos

the 8.5 sails worked well as a youth choice for those transitioning onto race boards from the techno class

cheers Jeff

Chris 249
NSW, 2110 posts
23 Dec 2019 8:16AM
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MatStirl said..
Mmm.
Thought an RSX might beat a RB in a planing weather. Just shows that RB pretty efficient on most conditions

I'm going to sail my Mistral Prodigy/8m against the LT's and paper tiger cats soon. Guessing I'll be closer to PT's if over say 15knots.

PTs can do 3 laps to LT's 2.




I think the yardsticks are pretty good measures of relative speed overall, although the comparative speed on any particular day varies a lot;

Windsurfer = 112 (lightweight or heavy winds) 116 (heavyweight in light winds)
Laser = 114
Raceboard 7.5 = 97 (lightweight or heavy winds) 99 (heavyweight in light winds)
Raceboard 9.5 = 93
Paper Tiger = 92.5

I think we had the Techno on 115(?) in NSW interclub racing, with the RSX and Prodigy on around 102; although the RSX was competitive with RBs in light winds neither was competitive in light stuff.

The RB is certainly an efficient all-weather machine.

MatStirl
QLD, 82 posts
23 Dec 2019 8:54PM
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Chris 249 said..

MatStirl said..
Mmm.
Thought an RSX might beat a RB in a planing weather. Just shows that RB pretty efficient on most conditions

I'm going to sail my Mistral Prodigy/8m against the LT's and paper tiger cats soon. Guessing I'll be closer to PT's if over say 15knots.

PTs can do 3 laps to LT's 2.





I think the yardsticks are pretty good measures of relative speed overall, although the comparative speed on any particular day varies a lot;

Windsurfer = 112 (lightweight or heavy winds) 116 (heavyweight in light winds)
Laser = 114
Raceboard 7.5 = 97 (lightweight or heavy winds) 99 (heavyweight in light winds)
Raceboard 9.5 = 93
Paper Tiger = 92.5

I think we had the Techno on 115(?) in NSW interclub racing, with the RSX and Prodigy on around 102; although the RSX was competitive with RBs in light winds neither was competitive in light stuff.

The RB is certainly an efficient all-weather machine.


In tas states in March - LT's, Bic Techno, Prodigy were all about same speed and alternated wins. I was very surprised Techno etc could match it with LTs. Wind was very light.

cammd
QLD, 2561 posts
25 Dec 2019 7:15PM
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Some racing photos from the 2016 worlds I like





















RichardG
WA, 2979 posts
25 Dec 2019 10:49PM
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cammd said..
Some racing photos from the 2016 worlds I like























Awesome photos from the 2016 raceboard worlds. Thanks for posting. I hope the LT leads to more interest in raceboards particularly in WA where there are no "pan am style" raceboards racing anymore. The LT is the best raceboard we have for course racing here that is sailed every week.

cammd
QLD, 2561 posts
Monday , 13 Jan 2020 8:17PM
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bump

Good number of entries received so far, late entries are still welcome

timbat
NSW, 2 posts
Thursday , 16 Jan 2020 3:07PM
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where are the Formula entries ?



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