At last! No more catapaults!!!

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Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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17 Mar 2006 8:17pm

It's been 2 weeks now - that means about 8 solid windsurfing sessions (my boss is cool), most of them in good wind, and NOT A SINGLE CATAPAULT!!

Before this, every time I got on my board, if the wind came up, the hammer went DOWN!! BAMMMMMMMMMMM!!! BAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!! BAMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

What happened? Well first let me say I've only been windsurfing for about a year, so I know relatively NOTHING, however I wish to share a tiny part of this woefully small body of hard-earned knowledge with those who need it...

And it's based on this simple equation: Harness + Gust = Catapault. Now, as we know, Gusts are Good, so therefore Harnesses are BAD! BAD, I say! But like so many bad things, (such as whiskey and women), used in moderation the harness is ok!
What I've started doing is simply this: Instead of hooking in early to encourage planing, I wait for a gust, and when it hits, I hang low off the boom by my arms only, and get into the footstraps first, get planing and only then go for the harness hook-in. And if the wind lulls a bit, it's out of the harness FIRST, everything else next... man I can't believe this, it works, no catapaults, I love the world and everything is so good now...wow...
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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17 Mar 2006 8:21pm
I forgot to add, frequently unhooking if the wind picks up or acceleration becomes scary is OKAY! Get out EARLY!! Go upwind! Why stay hooked in if there's even a chance of slamming?? Just get OUT of the bastard! I'm trying to be out of the harness more and more of the time... gee it's a beautiful thing .. I'm so sorry to my board for all the damage I did before...
CJW
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CJW CJW
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18 Mar 2006 12:55am
I think the equation should read: Harness + Gust - Straps = Catapult

If you're in the straps and in your harness a gust should really be able to pull you out of them, the straps that is. I never ever plane along in the harness with the feet out of the straps as that's a sure way to end up arse over. When a gust hits I just hang low and brace for that speed rush :)
Harrow
Harrow
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18 Mar 2006 1:31pm
Wet Willy,

If you are constantly scanning ahead looking for gusts you will be able to see them coming due to the disturbance they make on the surface of the water. Even in fairly wild conditions you can still see this, and even be able to tell the strength of the gust.

As you are about to enter the gust, you can then throw your weight back in anticipation. This is when you get to experience the rush of acceleration that CJW was talking about. If the gust is too strong, you can depower the sail without unhooking the harness to take the punch out of it.

In fact, I do the exact opposite of you - I will sail through the lulls without my harness which lets me lean the rig forward to stop from rounding up, and when I see the gust approaching, I hook in the moment before the gust hits - lets me take maximum power from the gust.

Anyway, it is all a matter of anticipation, which equals experience and time on the water.

The last couple of weeks, I have been trying to depower less and less, and instead take on the huge acceleration. It's been a bit hairy with my relatively large volume board. In fact, I ordered a smaller board this week so that I can take on more speed in bumpy conditions.

Regards,
Harrow.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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18 Mar 2006 1:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by Wet Willy



What I've started doing is simply this: Instead of hooking in early to encourage planing, I wait for a gust, and when it hits, I hang low off the boom by my arms only, and get into the footstraps first, get planing and only then go for the harness hook-in. And if the wind lulls a bit, it's out of the harness FIRST, everything else next... man I can't believe this, it works, no catapaults, I love the world and everything is so good now...wow...



this is spot on technique for getting planing. it also reduces spinout and allows sail pumping..... hooking in before the gust hits is poor technique, and lazy... hooking in doesn't encourage planing. pumping the sail and hanging off the boom encourages planing. so try pumping the board up onto the plane and then do exactly what you describe. once you get planing the apparent wind will help keep you planing. same when the wind drops, unhook and start pumping. the basic theory is to head upwind in the lulls and downwind in the gusts. the trick is to not fall off the plane.
if the gusts are overpowering you, you should be getting pushed backwards into the water. maybe try a little more downhaul on your sail so the head can twist off correctly.

another thing, when extremely overpowered try heading upwind. this allows you to lean further out racking the sail to windward over your head and reduces the sail area exposed to the wind. allowing you to keep control.

cjw advice is what you need to do when you are planing but it is very gusty. so rather than unhooking when you see a gust coming do what cjw said.



MapleLeaf
MapleLeaf
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18 Mar 2006 8:47pm
I think the best thing you could do is to stay hooked in as much as possible, and think about your technique. If you're catapulting, you're doing something wrong (maybe going too far off the wind?). Learning not to catapult by coming out of the harness all the time is actually not really progress - I'm not trying to be horrible, here, but just realistic. Look around at the good people - they're in their harnesses all the time. When your technique improves, you'll stop catapulting, it's as simple as that.

Unhooking for gusts means that you're missing out on a free ride on to the plane, too.

Don't feel bad about catapulting - EVERYONE does lots of it when they're learning, and it means that you're really going for it and will improve soon.
Harrow
Harrow
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19 Mar 2006 9:04pm
Gestalt,

Interested at your reply. I find that I can take more weight off the board and onto the rig by hooking into my harness than if I don't. Should I be pumping for a gust that is big enough to pick me up and throw me over the board?

Thanks,
Harrow.

P.S. Where does the name 'Gestalt' come from?
Gestalt
Gestalt
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19 Mar 2006 9:51pm
hi harrow,

the method WW described about hooking in once planing is how the pros do it, not bad for someone who has only been doing it a year.... they don't just stand on the board waiting for a gust to come to get them planing.
they pump the board onto the plane and then stick their feet in the straps and then hook in. that is why they are so fast off the start line and around a course. in light winds they will pump the whole way around the course. they also use chop, swell and whatever else they can to get themselves going. because once the apparent wind kicks in there off.

the reasons it is good practice are as follows.

1. it reduces fin pressure preventing spinout.
2. allows you to lower your planing threshold
3. if your boom height and harness lines are set right it should be almost impossible to hook in unless you are planing and in the straps
4. it prevents being catapulted.
5. lowers minimum wind speed requirement.

the reasons it is bad practice to hook in first.

1. more likely catapult is an outcome.
2. raises your planing threshold
3. encourages poor harness line setup.

basically, you shouldn't hook in untill you are in the straps. and you can't get in the straps untill you are planing.

if you pump before a gust hits you will be moving faster and when the gust hits the board speed versus wind speed difference will be lower so the gust is less likely to cause you problems. lets remember that guts usually are only 5-10 knots stronger. and less likely to throw you over the nose because by this stage you will be hooked in and planing. when the gust hits it will be instant acceleration.
hope this helps....

p.s gestalt is the name of a recording studio i produce at in my spare time. i liked the name due to a new zealand band i admire on the flying nun record label called gestalt. my partner at the studio is a psychiatrist and identified with the name because of his field of work.

gestalt means :-
A physical, biological, psychological, or symbolic configuration or pattern of elements so unified as a whole that its properties cannot be derived from a simple summation of its parts. Also called gestalt phenomenon.

kind of suits windsurfinbg i thought as well. and everything else in life.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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20 Mar 2006 8:19pm
My arms hurt...

The problem with correct harness line setup is you can't hook in when just cruising along, so the arms have to do too much work. I'm talking about the marginal days here...maybe it's time to put adjustable harness lines on all my rigs..
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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20 Mar 2006 7:43pm
Hi Wet Willy,

What an interesting set of responses! I've only been windsurfing for about 7 months, however my catapults decreased dramatically when I realised that I was standing too far forwards. Specifically, moving the back foot back as far as you can really reduces catapults.

I think my last catapult was about 4 or 5 sessions ago, and I get into the harness as soon as I'm standing up, so I'm in the harness about 95% of the time. I've gone from say 20 catapults per session to about 0.2, all through moving my back foot back and having a wide stance.

When a gust hits, I'll sheet out slightly, get my weight back, and then sheet back in to take advantage of the gust. Perhaps this is the wrong technique, I'm certainly not the first person onto the plane, but it does stop catapults. Getting the back foot as far back as you can REALLY HELPS!! Also keeping the harness line attachment points close to each other (like 2 cm) means that the harness lines don't rub on the harness hook, meaning less friction, meaning you can sheet in and out quicker.

Now as for pumping, I haven't figured out how to pump to make myself go quicker, what normally happens is that I pump away and as soon as I stop pumping I grind literally to a halt... then it takes a bit of time for the wind to get me going again. From what I can gather it depends on the type of board and sail you have as to what type of pump to use (small twitches of the back hand or massive violent unhooked reefs of the sail).

I guess you have to find out what works for you. Right now I'm staying in the harness all the time unless I feel like I'm about to start planing and then I'll try unhooking and pumping to get onto the plane, but it never quite works the way I think it should
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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21 Mar 2006 3:17pm
Nebbian,
Foot position? THere's one place to try to put your feet, and that's in the footstraps! OK, you may feel safer standing in one place or another, but if a gust gets you and/or you ride up and over a bit of swell and become temporarily weightless or unbalanced, you will fly over the front sooner or later! Footstraps, my son! Footstraps!
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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21 Mar 2006 2:12pm
Errr.. who was it who was complaining of catapults when hooked in?

The only time I'm out of the footstraps is when I'm not planing, in this case you go quicker with a reasonably flat board rather than one in which the tail is 30 cm underwater. "Only" being a relative term, I'm often out in sub-planing conditions, having loads of fun trying different moves.

I guess I thought you were catapulting for the same reasons I was when starting out, ie. standing with feet too close together and too far forwards (and obviously out of the straps). If you're in the straps then there's no excuse for catapulting apart from terrible reflexes. Getting the back foot back stops the pre-planing (and therefore pre-straps) catapult.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
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21 Mar 2006 8:05pm
quote:
Originally posted by nebbian

Errr.. who was it who was complaining of catapults when hooked in?




"Hooked in" refers to the harness, not the footstraps!

Anyway... I get what you're saying...
Wet Willy
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23 Mar 2006 1:09pm
Wait, I get it... um, I do tend to stay hooked in when the wind is so light that planing is impossible, just to help support my enormously heavy rig. (My long mast is 25% carbon, 75% lead.) On longboard days, you know...
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