Changing hook up/down??

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ka43
ka43
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2 Nov 2009 3:44pm
Has anyone tried and been successful in changing your harness hook from up to down or vice versa???
From what Ive seen 95% use hook down and us so called strange ones that sail hook up are definitely in the minority.
Im assuming like most, when you got your first harness you learnt the skills with the spreader bar/hook the way it was supplied on the harness.
So Im curious to hear the benefits/pitfalls of trying a change after so long??
Cheers.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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2 Nov 2009 3:50pm
I used to sail hook up & changed but sorry it was so long ago the memory is faded..I imagine it would be easier to unhook hook up.Maybe thats why i have so many little habits to avoid catapulting now..I think it would be harder to hook in accidently hook down..although I've managed to do it half way through gybes..not fun!
dieseagull
dieseagull
NSW
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2 Nov 2009 8:09pm
I've always wondered why people would have their hook up? Is it just so the line doesn't drop out of the hook if you loose pressure on the line, or is there another reason?
nick0
nick0
NSW
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2 Nov 2009 8:34pm
i use hook down and unntill the other day never enev knew people use hook us ...wierdies:) .. i some times acidentaly hook back in when jybeing but it doesnt bother me so much that i would change my hook around .
ka43
ka43
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3 Nov 2009 10:35am
It was the way the hook was when I bought my first harness all those years ago, sigh Didnt know any better either.
There are pro's and cons for both I suppose.
I was just curious.
Wineman
Wineman
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3 Nov 2009 11:14am

Rexie told me that lots of kiters go hook-up [}:)]
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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3 Nov 2009 11:34am
A different slant on what i said earlier..I think that it would be easier to unhook accidently with the hook up so its more secure hook down but then that can work against you.The early harness's were more chest harness's too..weren't they? So the hook would have been a lot higher up.It would probably be " safer " learning with the hook up because it is easier to unhook if necessary..pardon the ramble..( in old persons voice.." Back in the old days I remember when...")
ka43
ka43
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3 Nov 2009 12:29pm
True Pete, but thats only so they stay attached to their buddie when holding him down[}:)]
Rexy would know
sick_em_rex
sick_em_rex
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3 Nov 2009 3:11pm
WTF????
WindySimon
WindySimon
WA
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3 Nov 2009 1:37pm
if you catapult and have your hook installed upside down does it let go of you rather than hang on till your back breaks?
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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3 Nov 2009 5:42pm
not from my experience..not that my back has broken..I think if you keep holding onto the boom you are pretty safe although you can get a nasty whiplash..
Paul Yeomans
Paul Yeomans
WA
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3 Nov 2009 8:58pm
Is Jessica Crisp on seabreeze? Coz she'll tell ya! Hook upways was the go in the 80's early 90's (it was prolly more like 50/50) Robbie Naish also rocked the hook up style.

I tried it once when I was a grom because I wanted to be like the master but it felt weird and I couldnt unhook when I wanted to, you've got to flick the line up with your thumb to unhook.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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4 Nov 2009 10:09am
I couldnt unhook when I wanted to, you've got to flick the line up with your thumb to unhook.
interesting ..just goes to show my meory is fading I suppose theoretically the line should fall out if you pull the boom in if it is hook down but I sail with a seat harness which is lower so I find it harder to unhook..
king of the point
king of the point
WA
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4 Nov 2009 2:29pm
wavesailing

I BELIEVE in the end it becomes a technique you train your self to do and react to with out hesitation

BUT
Early Chest harness hooks were built solid (you could not see through them)They were often built out of plastic ,the other example that comes to mind was the reactor bar.

I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE EXACTLY AND DIRECTLY AT THE CONECTION POINT AND THE SLIDE OF THE LINES IN THE BAR.

This was frustrating as you could not see where the harness line were and what they were doing.

. I HAVE ALWAYS SAILED WITH THE HOOK UP AND HERE IS WHY.

When you have the hook down you lunge/ lean and lift up and over the the line as you go to fine it and then sit on it ,this initial movement for a split second reduces your drive through the board to get planning.
Also if you over sheet the harness falls out at the worst times.

Sitting on a 2to6 footer cross off 20 knots take off you want to be driving forward /down the line in on and over your gear ,with the hook down you have to lift up a bit to release it.... this is the oppisite to what you want to feel and achieve. Espicially if you want to feather on it a bit

If you hit some chop and sheet in it can just fall out at the worst time.

When you have the hook up you keep your weight lower and go under it before hiking out your body weight and connectin with it.

At the top of a wave it dosnt come out until you drive even harder by leaning in and forward through your equipment.

Also you will become a fat lazy bastard of a child hanging of it with the hook down and find as the wind lulls you cheet in and lift up and in when you should be sheeting in and moving your weight in lower. over your board .

Also 95% of you hook downers when wave riding and throwing your rig around you hooks up for no reson

As for getting your weight constantly down ie Speed / SLALOM and locked .The spreader bar down may help ..........but having it up makes little difference unless your say a kitederrr.

.............ALSO YOU GOTTA HAVE A SLIDING SPREADER...BAR..........................
..LOCKED BARS = LOCKED SAILING.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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4 Nov 2009 6:07pm
When you have the hook down you lunge/ lean and lift up and over the the line as you go to fine it and then sit on it ,this initial movement for a split second reduces your drive through the board to get planning.
I was going to mention that..especially when you are in light gusty conditions with a seat harness.I often lose a lot of speed then ,also when unhooking to gybe or jump I lose precious speed.
Paul Yeomans
Paul Yeomans
WA
66 posts
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4 Nov 2009 11:43pm
KOTP has a point, funny enough, if youve gotta lift ya cheeks up to unhook, you straighten your legs, putting pressure on your heels therefore jamming your board upwind? not what you want if your about to bear away for a crack.

Also the oldschool dudes sail hookup because of the floppy old harness lines that dangle like a grandads nutsack nowdays the lines stay where they are so its not such a mission hooking in or out.

This is a great topic that will split generations!

I wonder what birdseyeview reconds?
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