Deck insert into SUP

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nosinkanow
nosinkanow
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2 Sep 2011 3:21pm
An opportunity may come up to buy a SUP from an in-law who is thinking of downsizing. I am considering buying it from him and thinking of fitting a threaded deck insert for the mast foot or a mast track. Which will be easier to do, a deck screw? A screw might be as it's only a plug (and where do I get one)?

I have fibreglass surfboard repair skills but need to switch the way I think and do things as it is epoxy. I checked with him regarding construction and it's 6oz all over with bamboo on the deck + another layer of 4oz. over that + single balsa stringer (not a pop-out). The only concern I have is that what ever deck fitting I use it will need the stringer to be cut which might make it lose some lateral strength which in windsurfing mode (banging over chop) will stress it more than for conventional SUP use? If the wisdom of this forum is as concerned as I am regarding the latter I'll give the idea a miss.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
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2 Sep 2011 3:33pm
I don't know about the wisdom of the forum, but my wisdom suggests using a mast track so that you can spread the load out across a larger surface area instead of in a single point.

Foam is very soft, so adding a mast track and covering it with high density foam first would distribute the load better.

It also means that you can move the mast to better suit the sailor if its not in the exact right spot.
gregc
gregc
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2 Sep 2011 6:12pm
There is a guy in Gerringong that can do this sort of work, I read something on another website where a guy put a mast track into his SUP and he reinforced it with wood stringers on each side of the mast track. I reckon its an awesome thing. I have a Starboard blend 11-2 and if its a little windy i will throw a small sail on it and go for a cruise. This year will be some light wind wavesailing on it.
keef
keef
NSW
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2 Sep 2011 6:43pm
lightly laminated 10mm divinicell, your main aim is to cut down on weight, should only need to be glassed on out side,
i wouldnt worry about looseing strength by cutting the stringer if the stringer
redsurfbus
redsurfbus
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2 Sep 2011 6:07pm
The older starboard SUPs that appear to have 2 deck inserts for sails actually have mast tracks that have been sealed over if you look under the deck padding.
pierrec45
pierrec45
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2 Sep 2011 9:01pm
nosinkanow said...

An opportunity may come up to buy a SUP from an in-law who is thinking of downsizing. I am considering buying it from him and thinking of fitting a threaded deck insert for the mast foot or a mast track.


I hope you're doing all this as much for playing around than getting an actual usable board.
In my experience SUPs don't point up well and are a compromise over everything possible (for windsurfing). I would esp. expect so from one that wasn't designed or tested for sailing.

Other than that, for plodding around in a bay they're OK.
(I'd go track and not single screw by a mile)
gregc
gregc
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2 Sep 2011 10:09pm
Actually Pierre they point extremely well between the thruster set up and the long rail line. In light winds I can point extremely high. It is a bit unfortunate that many just don't actually get it. They are not meant to replace a shortboard, they are a long board and should be treated as such. A well made SUP is a great one board solution. For the man days when there is either not wind or very little wind you can still actually be on the water.

Surfing went through all this crap a number of years ago but look how many longboards are on the water now. There will be more SUPs on the water cause they are great fun.
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
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3 Sep 2011 1:21am
pierrec45 said...


I hope you're doing all this as much for playing around than getting an actual usable board.
In my experience SUPs don't point up well and are a compromise over everything possible (for windsurfing). I would esp. expect so from one that wasn't designed or tested for sailing.


I've got a Kona One if I want to plod around an inland water or do offshore sailing on non surf days. I want this 11'6" SUP for lightwind (around 10knots) small wave WAVEsailing. The sail is only a means to get out to line up for a wave not cruise around, beats paddling! Weight the windward rail and lean the mast a tad forward and up it goes, slow but acceptable. I sail the Kona One without a centreboard most of the time even in light air.

It was a choice of kayak or SUP in near windless days for much needed exercise, SUP wins if I can fit a rig to it. Otherwise on those absolute no-wind-no-surf days the SUP is ideal to paddle around a lake and give myself a workout...or a heart attack.

Beats watching others having fun....anything to get out of doing gardening.
pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
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3 Sep 2011 2:03am
Guys, I'm comparing with boards that actually point up, such as an old Mistral or raceboards or a D2, and a racing Kona.

You'z try to keep up against any of these boards, you'll be at least 10 degrees away.
Man, even an old Windsurfer points higher.

Having said that, they're fun to sail around anyhow in lesser winds (esp. that I got mine free). Also good for the exercise, I agree.
gregc
gregc
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3 Sep 2011 9:52am
Pierre you miss the point. These aren't racing boards, they aren't short boards, they are surfboards with sails. First reason to own one is to SUP (perhaps the best board sport ever to be rediscovered, thanks Laird). The next reason is that it's not windy all the time so in a light breeze you can still be on the water having a great time. Lastly, it's one of the best core sports going, it will keep you fit and healthy so when the wind is up you can sail like a madman.

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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3 Sep 2011 10:03pm
Set a mast track in a bit of divinycell about 300 x 200 x 60mm, route a big hole and set it in, then 3 x glass over top.

Same as a finbox replacement.

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