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Gestalt
Gestalt
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16 Jun 2006 10:30am
Can anyone recommend a good formula fin for 15-2 knots with an 8.5 KA formula rig.

cheers
Gestalt
mkseven
mkseven
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16 Jun 2006 10:47am
What size are you using now? If pat still has the tectonics you could try them but they are probably a little small. Get the C3 B64 , just dont lose it to a sandbar.

Wanna loan me that board so I can have a crack at the Formula speed record [}:)]
jsn_batman
jsn_batman
WA
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WA, 86 posts
16 Jun 2006 8:52am
how quick is then record any way
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
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QLD, 1674 posts
16 Jun 2006 10:52am
Woo - MK7 is goin formula!!!!! Yeha!

For my formula I have never ridden anything smaller than a 64 fin n that I use with reluctance (lose upwind ability, lose lift and only for low tide shallow water).
mkseven
mkseven
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16 Jun 2006 11:11am
top place in gps speedsailing is 28.0 knots, but a few reckon their results havent been updated.

J are you getting back into racing?

No not formula, although it is preferable to bags. The formula speed class is there for the taking.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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16 Jun 2006 3:07pm
nah mate, to unfit to pump around a course these days.

will be for sailing as fst as possible....

i currently use a 70cm carbon fin. the stock fin... i am very happy with it but was looking for something for higher winds. 15+

so i can handle the chop a bit better.
mkseven
mkseven
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16 Jun 2006 3:15pm
I have a 52 you can try but I think that C3 64cm will be what you are after.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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16 Jun 2006 3:20pm
i'm was more thinking a 65cm echo

or an R13
mkseven
mkseven
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16 Jun 2006 3:28pm
with the rate at which you run into sandbars or sail into the beach i wouldnt be spending $500 on a fin
Gestalt
Gestalt
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16 Jun 2006 3:42pm
well i didn't put the bloody sandbars or beach there now did i.......
mkseven
mkseven
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16 Jun 2006 3:53pm
you up for a vicky point sail tomorrow... you know where the sandbars are there

and remember not to sail on the shore side of any signs warning of obstructions on the shore side of sign
Gestalt
Gestalt
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14968 posts
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16 Jun 2006 4:06pm
yes, and that fin broke for the 4th time at wello,

so pete made me a new one finished in woodgrain. i think he is trying to tell me something.

tom i'm most likely off to shearwater. early for some big stuff.

vici is no godd with the 70cm fin....
mathew
mathew
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16 Jun 2006 10:02pm
The formula speed title is definately up for the taking..!

I have done a reasonable track with 24kts - this was with only about 12-14 knots of wind. The biggest problem with going fast on formula boards is the fin size - 70cm is just too big - the board rails up.

I have also run a 9.5m formula sail on a short board with a 37cm fin -> *just* enough lift from the fin.

For a formula board, you could probably get away with a 50cm fin. The main idea with such a small fin is to stop the board railing over.

Gestalt
Gestalt
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17 Jun 2006 6:02am
hi matthew,

agree with what you are saying but i think to have a go at the formula speed title the board should comply with formula. and so the fin would need to comply as well. my feeling is use the smallest fin allowed.

on the gps site the fastest spped for formula was done with a 7.6m sail....then the next fastest. 0.04 knots slower was done with an 11m sail with both on 70cm fins.
mkseven
mkseven
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17 Jun 2006 7:02am
I dont think so Gestalt, I think the smallest fin which will take it will be 60cm. Going a smaller fin isnt necessarily good since you want to use it to limit the contact area of the board and keep it flying- it is the excessive board area which is the problem with a formula. A good 8.5 and the right fin and you should be right. Justin that NXS is over 95 wide aint it, if you get really serious maybe get another set of footstrap plugs put in for speed between the chicken strap and you standard straps on the rail.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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17 Jun 2006 7:30am
hi MK,

the board is 95cm,

it shouldn't be compared to the normal formula bottom shapes though, the cutouts in the tail are very severe. plus it's got the channel....

it handles chop really well. far better than the flat bottom versions. The problem is when the fin is creating too much lift. once i can't load up the fin anymore i start losing control of the board and then the rig and then it is curtains.

with the bigger fins you need have to keep you back leg straight, as soon as you take the pressure off the fin it is a bucking bronco. that is the thrill that i get out of formula.

i know that i have to keep driving the fin but my pants are going brown, it is on the edge sailing.....

mathew
mathew
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17 Jun 2006 1:41pm
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

hi matthew,

agree with what you are saying but i think to have a go at the formula speed title the board should comply with formula. and so the fin would need to comply as well. my feeling is use the smallest fin allowed.

on the gps site the fastest spped for formula was done with a 7.6m sail....then the next fastest. 0.04 knots slower was done with an 11m sail with both on 70cm fins.



true - but thats because simply cant buy a formula fin that is less than 60cm. ie: how many people really want to sail a tug boat over 30 knots?

As others has said, you need to keep the fin at maximum loading for the sail/board/fin combo to work well. The idea with a smaller fin is that it will reduce the lift from the fin, thus making it easier on your body to keep the load onto the fin.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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21 Jun 2006 6:50pm
hi mathew,

if the water is dead flat it would be interesting to sail the tug in over 30 knots. if it meant breaking a record or something.

i guess a small fin would be required.

on the other end of the spectrum, has anyone had a go on the g sport extreme lightwind.

the makers claim planing in 4-5 knots and being able to point as high as a raceboard. sounds nice.
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