Getting planing in marginal winds

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nebbian
nebbian
WA
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WA, 6277 posts
21 Apr 2007 10:30pm
What do you do when the wind's very marginal?

On Thursday the forecast looked orright, so I went to my local wavebreak for a bit of a sail. The wind was about 13-14 knots, just not quite enough to get me going on the 5.7 North Ice, even bagged out. I got planing once or twice, but only for a few seconds down a wave face, and didn't make it back to the straps before the wind died.

So what's the best technique for getting planing in the lower end of your sail's range? Bear in mind you're not allowed to use a bigger sail (cos the bigger ones have ****loads of cams and you don't want that sort of fight in waves, even if the waves are tiddlers)

At the moment I've got:
1) Bag your sail out without taking off too much downhaul.
2) Do the shimmy (wtf is this, Elmo? Please explain?)
3) Get planing down a wave face then slowly bear upwind to get the apparent wind speed up)

Any other ideas?
chairman
chairman
500 posts
500 posts
21 Apr 2007 10:39pm
Weight Watchers[}:)]
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
21 Apr 2007 10:45pm
I don't worry about planning when very light wind wave sailing,(12 - 15kts) it's a waste of energy, can get back upwind much better sub planning anyway, planning in very marginal conditions it's a real struggle to point at all, on my wave gear that is.
The only time I pump is to get onto a wave, then the wave and wind energy combine and you're away.

Once it's 15 and over it's worth pumping onto the plane, That's with my 5.2 and 80l board (I'm just under 70kg)

vando
vando
QLD
3419 posts
QLD, 3419 posts
22 Apr 2007 12:54am
Lots of Pumping Nebs.
Use the fin and sail together wait until your planning before you step back in to the back straps, like anything heaps of prac
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
21 Apr 2007 10:58pm
quote:
Originally posted by chairman

Weight Watchers[}:)]



Thanks "mate", you have no idea what the scales used to say a couple of years ago, let's just say they dreaded me walking into the bathroom

You're off my christmas card list.
chairman
chairman
500 posts
500 posts
21 Apr 2007 11:05pm
Am I still on the xmas presi list
Was hoping to see u at shearwater this week
however red is the new green
night night
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
2331 posts
WA, 2331 posts
22 Apr 2007 12:16am
I'm thinking, if there are waves you just put up with slogging until you can catch the waves.

the only hassle in my mind is trying to gybe when your slogging, usually ends up with me in the water, then struggling to waterstart or else uphauling in knee deep water
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
22 Apr 2007 10:08am
light wind + waves = surfing!.
da vecta
da vecta
QLD
2515 posts
QLD, 2515 posts
22 Apr 2007 4:59pm
if its under 15kts go Freestylin!!
da vecta
da vecta
QLD
2515 posts
QLD, 2515 posts
22 Apr 2007 5:00pm
if its over 15kts go Freestylin!
elmo
elmo
WA
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WA, 8894 posts
22 Apr 2007 3:30pm
Get a bigger sail, 5.8 is my normal sail but I have a 6.6 for lighter winds.

Shimmying the board is when you are on the plane already trying to run through a hole, you pump the board sideways with your front foot, it helps break the increasing board friction and pick up speed, don't use your back foot to much as you can end up cavitating the fin.
puffin
puffin
235 posts
235 posts
23 Apr 2007 12:13am
When you bag out your sail, do it almost entirely with outhaul. Don't let the downhaul off too much or the air gets "stuck" on the sail, and even when you have enough power to (barely) plane the sail won't accellerate. The sail must have some twist at the top even in light conditions, if you want to plane early.
stonesurf
stonesurf
WA
77 posts
WA, 77 posts
23 Apr 2007 9:28am
Bigger fin for those light days, less sideways drift. More pressure to pop onto the plane. You have to pump, but when you are dialled in you can feel when its right to go. Lift the board out of the water, and ever so lightly place the board on the water with your weight still on the boom, squeezing it in. The goal is to get the board skimming on the water,unstuck, thus planing. Some sails are much better at this than others, some will pull down, others need wind to get going, and some have what l call a powerball that l use to lift my whole rig out of the water. Adjusting the down haul can move this powerball up and down for what is required on the day. l am 79 kilo, 84 litre board, 5m S-1 severne, plane in 12 to 15 easy,with a pump.
knot board
knot board
QLD
1241 posts
QLD, 1241 posts
23 Apr 2007 12:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by stonesurf

l am 79 kilo, 84 litre board, 5m S-1 severne, plane in 12 to 15 easy,with a pump.




Really?
TelecomGreg
TelecomGreg
QLD
94 posts
QLD, 94 posts
23 Apr 2007 12:33pm
stay home and watch a windsurfing vid on the box just as frustrating
but you don't get your gear wet

TelecomGreg
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
23 Apr 2007 10:36am
quote:
Originally posted by knot board

quote:
Originally posted by stonesurf

l am 79 kilo, 84 litre board, 5m S-1 severne, plane in 12 to 15 easy,with a pump.




Really?



Experience makes it look easy

Damn my inexperience
knot board
knot board
QLD
1241 posts
QLD, 1241 posts
23 Apr 2007 12:48pm
This 'experience' of which you speak...
...can it be bought or otherwise obtained very quickly???

I wish I could plane in 12-15 knots with a 5.0m on a board that is 5 litres more than my body weight. I am lucky to plane in 12-15 with a 7.5 and 115L board.

hmmmm, experience hey... I must get me some of that......
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