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Zubby
Zubby
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13 Jun 2007 10:01pm
Does anyone know anything about Gun Sails? They look nice and they are well priced but how do they sail?

They reckon if you buy Gun you will sail like a Gun.
jord070
jord070
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1109 posts
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13 Jun 2007 8:47pm
i havent personally saild a gun but a few times when i have been with my uncle sailing he is sailing gun, they seem to keep the pwer locked in, and look nice an controllable, but the bad side is that it takes a lot of experimenting with downhaul and out haul to get it just rite, if i could get one at a good price i would definatly go for one
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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23684 posts
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13 Jun 2007 10:46pm
From what I read overseas (where they are much more common) they are crap. One UK magazine used to constantly take the p!ss out of ppl using them (about 2yrs ago so maybe they are better now)

I'd stay away just in case

Before anyone flames me, it is just MHO
DL
DL
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659 posts
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13 Jun 2007 10:55pm
some opinions here:
seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=25510
greenleader
greenleader
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5283 posts
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14 Jun 2007 1:34am
quote:
Originally posted by dzub


They reckon if you buy Gun you will sail like a Gun.



sailing well takes a bit of practice. doesn't matter what you use.
using good gear speeds up your learning curve.
once you get to a reasonable standard you realise why the top brands in every sport are at the top.
pay a bit more, get the goods.
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
14 Jun 2007 9:40am
You all knew I was going to post!

Back in the days that i started to windsurf - about 1992 - Gun Sails were quite a large brand in Europe but to be honest their products were sub standard. I had an old race sail that used to be bloody fast but that was it. It was heavy, unstable, difficult to rig...

Then in 2001 my Brother bought a wave sail - it looked good and felt good so my interest in Gun grew. From that point I had some spare cash and thought I could get a full quiver, 100% RDMs, booms, extensions etc for the price of a couple of Neil Prydes.

Since getting them about 18 months ago, and hammering them, they are still looking in excellent condition.

I have heard the wave sails aren't quite as "technical" as a Neil Pryde/"top brand" wave sail (as in they aren't quite as snappy/on-off) but they do extremely well for the price!

As far as the race/speed sails go, they actually have a great history in building fast sails. Have a look at some of my speeds on my Gun race sails - I'm consistently matching, and sometimes beating, the "top brands". Although this could just be because I'm a better sailor [}:)]

As for the magazines, Windsurf Mag has an issue with Gun, that's why they refuse to test the sails and why they don't allow Gun to advertise. Boards is a different story, Planche is always testing as is the German Windsurf mag..

Right, back to praying for some good wind...

curac
curac
WA
1160 posts
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14 Jun 2007 10:37am
Apparently, they guy who designs gun sails is the guy who used to design the custom sails vidar jenson used to win his world title.
and a few years either side.

so he must know something about wave sails.

never used one though.
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
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1173 posts
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14 Jun 2007 1:06pm
quote:
Originally posted by greenleader



sailing well takes a bit of practice. doesn't matter what you use.
using good gear speeds up your learning curve.
once you get to a reasonable standard you realise why the top brands in every sport are at the top.
pay a bit more, get the goods.



Just wondering how many negative posts there have been on Seabreeze from Gun sails owners? I personally can't remember seeing any. What there has been a lot of is negative posts from people who don't use them and even more negative posts about as greenleader calls them "top brands".
Gonewindsurfing247
Gonewindsurfing247
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966 posts
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14 Jun 2007 1:21pm
I know a few guys that use them and they are totally stoked. They switched from the bigger brands and have never looked back.

Best thing to do is test them and then you will know for sure.
mathew
mathew
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2172 posts
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14 Jun 2007 4:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by greenleader
once you get to a reasonable standard you realise why the top brands in every sport are at the top. pay a bit more, get the goods.



Thats just patently false. KA produce one of the provably good speed sails and yet they are 30% cheaper than NP. Loft make a reasonably priced pure-wave sail, and yet that sail is generally generally in the top 3 magazine-tests.
mathew
mathew
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2172 posts
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14 Jun 2007 4:24pm
I have a Gun Booster 7m, purchased about 9 months ago (2006 model). It is a great light-wind sail for my weight (72kg) and pumps really well with the power being very low in the sail.

There is one quirk that relates to sail design. The mast pocket is a little small for an SDM mast, making mast removal nearly impossible without taping the two pieces together before rigging. You also need to completely removal all cam tension. And adding a little loop of rope to the top of the sail helps mast removal.

(Aside: any sail-maker that uses white sail cloth is just asking for bad comments -> it marks far too easily. The Booster does, as does some KA Koncepts.)
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
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14 Jun 2007 5:13pm
Mat, that doesn't sound quite right, i have the 8.7m booster in the garage and it rigs no problems. Slide the mast up making sure the cams stay on then put on downhaul.

PM me better details and i'll help you out..

Boosters are awesome sails, I can plane with the 8.7m when there aren't white caps.
bigboard
bigboard
27 posts
27 posts
14 Jun 2007 9:16pm
quote:
Originally posted by mathew

I have a Gun Booster 7m, purchased about 9 months ago (2006 model). It is a great light-wind sail for my weight (72kg) and pumps really well with the power being very low in the sail.

There is one quirk that relates to sail design. The mast pocket is a little small for an SDM mast, making mast removal nearly impossible without taping the two pieces together before rigging. You also need to completely removal all cam tension. And adding a little loop of rope to the top of the sail helps mast removal.

(Aside: any sail-maker that uses white sail cloth is just asking for bad comments -> it marks far too easily. The Booster does, as does some KA Koncepts.)


Yesterday, I sailed my Gun Raptor 6.5. When it comes to the luff sleeve, it is smaller, but fits the recommended mast well. I had a discussion about it with the guy who sold me the sail, now retired, and bought the recommended mast. It's a Gun Terminator and also an excellent product. Since it's made in the same factory in Italy that produces North masts, he said that a North mast would work well with the sail, too. In addition, I always tape my two piece masts together with electricians tape. This keeps the sand out and also makes it easy to remove the mast. The Booster is the replacement for the Raptor. These sails are quite well built, very sturdy in a German sort of way. The English have been quite cruel and unforgiving when it comes to the failings that the Gun's have had. Yesterday, I gave the sail more than the recommended downhaul and was wondering what the effect would be. It sailed well for me, but another sailor told me that I was spilling off a lot of wind and could have gotten by with a smaller sail. However, I rigged for a wide range as the location I was at has some rather gusty conditions. I'm also not sure if that's true i.e. rigging smaller with less twist in the leech gives the same sailing results. The low end power in the Gun was what I wanted. Of course, I sacrifed some handling ease what with a larger sail and triple camber inducers.
mathew
mathew
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2172 posts
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15 Jun 2007 11:26am
quote:
Originally posted by bigboard
Since it's made in the same factory in Italy that produces North masts, he said that a North mast would work well with the sail, too.



If that is the case, then that explains it. The North masts are marginally smaller in diameter than other brands - when the specs said SDM, I assumed SDM diameter -> not North's SDM.

(Not that I dont like North masts - their great - just slightly different diameter due to the drop-shape.)
mathew
mathew
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2172 posts
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15 Jun 2007 11:43am
quote:
Originally posted by Crash Landing

Mat, that doesn't sound quite right, i have the 8.7m booster in the garage and it rigs no problems. Slide the mast up making sure the cams stay on then put on downhaul.

Boosters are awesome sails, I can plane with the 8.7m when there aren't white caps.



Rigging is easy enough, only a minute or two from sleeving to max downhaul tension; its de-rigging that is the hard bit.

The trick I found was to gaff-tape the two sections of mast (this is also a good idea as it stops sand getting in), remove all cam tension (which is required for a narrow-luff cammed sail) and add a loop of thin rope to the head. Now I just put the loop over the car tow-ball and yank.

Yeh, it pumps really well - I only need about 10knots to get going with it (provided I have a big enough fin). Fin range itself is reasonable -> to handle 15-17 knots, I drop a fin size (faster than re-rigging).

Also, the material quality and stitching is excellent (or at least as good as any other decent brand) - except for the color scheme.
nutbag
nutbag
154 posts
154 posts
15 Jun 2007 10:26am
quote:
...vidar jenson used to win his world title

What world title?
curac
curac
WA
1160 posts
WA, 1160 posts
15 Jun 2007 11:06am
ah god damn it.
i thought he had a title .. oh well never mind.. he has had a few podium finishes on the tour so ... bla
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
15 Jun 2007 5:08pm
Don't own a Gun sail but purchased a Gun Select 100% carbon fibre mast.Well built mast and you get 2 year warranty,i rig my 5.8m KA Koncept and my 6.2m RS6,the mast is slighty smaller in diameter than a SDM thats why the cams rotate effortlessly on my RS6 and the sail sets just about the same as the NP UX9 mast.The biggest difference is price $670gun V $1500 NP UX9
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