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Macroscien
Macroscien
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14 Mar 2012 3:32pm
How far away should be harness lines apart attached to the boom?
now I see from forum post that my setup was incorrect.
I use to have 20 cm between but here is close to zero ...


Hot Sails Maui
Hot Sails Maui
NSW
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NSW, 35 posts
14 Mar 2012 4:40pm
Macroscien said...

How far away should be harness lines apart attached to the boom?
now I see from forum post that my setup was incorrect.
I use to have 20 cm between but here is close to zero ...





That looks familiar

For me, I like my lines close together on my bump and jump / wave set up. For my slalom sails I set them much further apart, and much longer.

Not sure there is really a right or wrong.
Davage
Davage
VIC
182 posts
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14 Mar 2012 6:25pm
I have always had mine spread a good distance apart. My reason is to spread the load from my fat guts further along the boom and not just concentrate it in one small area.
Macroscien
Macroscien
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14 Mar 2012 5:30pm
Davage said...

I have always had mine spread a good distance apart. My reason is to spread the load from my fat guts further along the boom and not just concentrate it in one small area.

ok make sense for me...I did broke a few booms already... any other suggestions ??
if there is rule of thomb -wave sailors close together , race sailors - apart?
stringer
stringer
WA
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14 Mar 2012 3:57pm
Macroscien said...

Davage said...

I have always had mine spread a good distance apart. My reason is to spread the load from my fat guts further along the boom and not just concentrate it in one small area.

ok make sense for me...I did broke a few booms already... any other suggestions ??
if there is rule of thomb -wave sailors close together , race sailors - apart?



i am going to suggest that for bigger sails they can come closer together but for smaller sails (i.e. more wind) you may want to move them further apart for greater control
Mux
Mux
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14 Mar 2012 6:47pm
I saw an article which said they should be at about a hand width apart, sounded like a good starting point to me. But comes down to what you like they say closer together for more response. Only what I read, like I say comes down to you and what works for you.
Macroscien
Macroscien
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14 Mar 2012 7:05pm
Mux said...

I what works for you.

that is my problem ..everything works for me and need to learn hard way later...
much easier is to get good teacher, then stick to rules that works for pro
I learned that searching my own way just takes too much precious time !
I sould be jibing and waterstarting 5 years ago but nobody told me EXACTLY how it works

Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
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14 Mar 2012 5:26pm
The closer together they are the more accurate the placement has to be to get the balance just right.

Closer will also mean slightly longer if you have fixed length lines, so if you change the spacing you may need to change boom height a bit too.

I used to have mine 20 cm apart, now I have them a hand with apart.
Mux
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14 Mar 2012 7:32pm
For freestyle/ wave I think close together as you want to have more manoeuvrability when hooked in, and for blasting/ speed you want them apart for more control/ stable rig, a pull on wider area. imo
terminal
terminal
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14 Mar 2012 5:39pm
Macroscien said...

Mux said...

I what works for you.

that is my problem ..everything works for me and need to learn hard way later...
much easier is to get good teacher, then stick to rules that works for pro
I learned that searching my own way just takes too much precious time !
I sould be jibing and waterstarting 5 years ago but nobody told me EXACTLY how it works




I think that is a good approach.
Its like watching what someone better than me does and trying it that way. Sometimes because they are more skilled or fitter, or are going to extremes for competition setups it may not be best for me, but there is usually a good reason for everything they do.

In lighter steadier winds, if I set my sail up to keep the centre of effort as stable as possible, I set them tight together for extra 'feel' of when the sail is sheeted right when I'm hooked in.
In stronger more variable winds, the centre of effort will move more and I set the line ends a hands width apart.
Zachery
Zachery
597 posts
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14 Mar 2012 8:47pm
Bump and jump, wave sailing a hand width apart works well, you need to be able to rest your arms when they are not really needed, used Guy Cribbs suggestion and it works well, measure distance from mast to clew around your boom with tape measure and the centre of your lines will be 1/3 from your mast, slight adjustment dependent on sail type. You should be able to sail one handed easily otherwise your lines are not set right IMO
Subsonic
Subsonic
WA
3419 posts
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14 Mar 2012 9:18pm
Closer together its easier to find the balance point as you'll feel one hand is carrying too much weight, good if your gonna be moving the sail around a fair bit while sailing along hooked in(wave sailing and freestyle)

Further apart will hold the rig steady (what you'll want if trying to break the sound barrier)

I havent seen a boom break at the harness lines (yet) because theyre too close together, but I guess there's potential since all the weights on one point
nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
441 posts
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15 Mar 2012 1:50am
I tried the Guy Cribb method, lost the cheap elastic cord not long after. Couldn't remember where my starting point was when I changed up a sail and remembered (read) somewhere along the way to pick up the rig with one finger (or a loop of string) while it is rigged and on the ground via the boom.

When you find the central position (balance point) on the boom where the mast and clew rises evenly that is your centre position for your lines disregardless of how wide I recall it saying. It's been a good starting point for me and can be done in seconds. I found tweaks have only been approx about an inch, this has worked for my 6.4 and 7.5 sails. Haven't tried it on my 5.8 coz I only just got it.

Oh and I like my lines a little over two fists wide.

Dunno if this theory is correct, but it seems to work OK for me.

Longlines
Longlines
73 posts
73 posts
15 Mar 2012 6:48am
With race sails one fist apart works for me. With soft sails wider apart as the draft is less stable. Not sure if harness type has any effect. Mine is seat.
Phyx1u5
Phyx1u5
NSW
26 posts
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18 Mar 2012 11:11am
There is no correct way to set them up. For slalom just look at the difference between Antoine Albeau who has his lines touching almost, then look at B Dunkerbeck who has his lines a mile apart. Both are very fast its just personal preference.
firiebob
firiebob
WA
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18 Mar 2012 9:51am
Phyx1u5 said...

There is no correct way to set them up. For slalom just look at the difference between Antoine Albeau who has his lines touching almost, then look at B Dunkerbeck who has his lines a mile apart. Both are very fast its just personal preference.

+1

Personally I have mine 3 fingers apart, suits me. I sail a slalom board in the ocean and have had race, slalom and no cam sails, same same


Subsonic said...

I havent seen a boom break at the harness lines (yet)

I hit a big fish once downwinding and stopped dead, big get off resulting in mild whiplash, my carbon boom cracked where the lines attached

The good news, my board didn't break in two
Subsonic
Subsonic
WA
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18 Mar 2012 11:29am
firiebob said...

Phyx1u5 said...

There is no correct way to set them up. For slalom just look at the difference between Antoine Albeau who has his lines touching almost, then look at B Dunkerbeck who has his lines a mile apart. Both are very fast its just personal preference.

+1

Personally I have mine 3 fingers apart, suits me. I sail a slalom board in the ocean and have had race, slalom and no cam sails, same same


Subsonic said...

I havent seen a boom break at the harness lines (yet)

I hit a big fish once downwinding and stopped dead, big get off resulting in mild whiplash, my carbon boom cracked where the lines attached

The good news, my board didn't break in two



Well there ya go, boom snapping is a definite possibility if the lines are close.

Yep what Phyx1u5 said, its whatever suits the player, I've noticed a lot of Slalom sailors (in WA at least) like some distance between them but i've also noticed Antoine Albeau has them closer together too, and he's fookin fast!
lanky
lanky
QLD
213 posts
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18 Mar 2012 5:06pm
Slalom I think you can spread them apart a bit because your not moving much once sailing just lock in and go. Freestyle waves or even learning/freeride I would never recommend spreading them 20cm apart, fist width gives you way better control over your gear, right next to each other they are a bit twitchy. The wider the lines are apart the harder it is to do anything with the sail while hooked it which is a problem on non cambered sails that require way more sheeting in and out while sailing than slalom gear. I think you won't find many top wave or freestyle sailors using lines more than a fist apart. Slalom I know guys that do all sorts but most spread them about 1-2 fists apart. At the school we have them a fist apart.
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
1227 posts
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18 Mar 2012 6:44pm
I was told, as a beginner, that the closer together the quicker the control you have sheeting in and out - better for the more experienced. Further apart made the rig more stable, for beginners, but was less responsive when needing sheet in or out quickly. This doesn't obviate the need to have them centred about the balance point though.
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