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LethalAsh
LethalAsh
NSW
27 posts
NSW, 27 posts
21 Apr 2007 7:19pm
I am new at windsurfing and looking to buy my first widsurfer. I am not sure what they mean by litres.I am 5'11 ft and 65kg. I am looking for a board to use on flat water and i am wondering if anyone could help me on which board would suit me and which brands are good ones.

Thanks.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
21 Apr 2007 5:26pm
Hi,

Have you tried windsurfing before? That is, have you had a lesson or hired some kit?

If so, then there are a number of options, ranging from dirt cheap to really expensive.

How much money are you prepared to spend?
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
21 Apr 2007 7:32pm
quote:
Originally posted by LethalAsh

I am not sure what they mean by litres.




Litres are easy, They're a measurment of volume, as in a litre of milk!

So if a board is 100 litres, that's it's volume.
For once the French did something very right/smart when they devised the metric system. 1 litre of fresh, distilled water weighs exactly 1 kilogram. So in fresh water a 100litre board will float exactly 100 kilograms. So if the total of you, the rig and the board weighs 100Kg in theory you should be able to balance on it stationary and only just get the soles of your feet wet.

For learning, this isn't ideal, about another 20 litres gives more margin for error.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
21 Apr 2007 7:44pm
Woops forgot me Plimsole, or was it acheimedes???
Anyway a long time ago somebody worked out that the amount of water displaced by a floating object (In the case of our board fully submerged, that's 100 litres), weighs exactly the same as the object.
LethalAsh
LethalAsh
NSW
27 posts
NSW, 27 posts
21 Apr 2007 9:54pm
I have windsurfed quite a few times before on friends boards and i am willing to pay as much a nessacary to hav a good quality board.
So, when looking for a board you should combine the fully rigged board and you body weight then choose a board that comes over that combined weight. Is that correct? Also can anyone suggest a good quality board and sail brand?

Thanks.
AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
466 posts
QLD, 466 posts
21 Apr 2007 10:07pm
Hi there,

I would recommend popping into your local windsurfing shop and having a chat. They ususally have tons of second hand and new boards suitable and will give the best advice.

Katapult
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
21 Apr 2007 8:22pm
quote:
Originally posted by LethalAsh


So, when looking for a board you should combine the fully rigged board and you body weight then choose a board that comes over that combined weight. Is that correct?




While you're still learning definately. But board shape also comes into the equation, the modern wider style boards can be a bit smaller in volume than the old narrow ones, as they are more stable.
The wind strength you're going to be sailing in is another big factor.
Comon advise for a learning board is to get a board that will be suitable to use as a low wind board once you are experienced. If that is under 15 knots you could probablly go as high as 30 litres more. Depending on what sort of windsurfing you're doing.
Another consideration is how you learn, there's basically 2 methods.
1 the long easy way
2 the short hard way.

1 is big board small sail light wind uphaul, gradually increase sail power as you improve, (stronger wind or bigger sail)

2 is learning to water start first thing, for this you need enough sail power to lift you on the board.
The board doesn't need to be as big as you aren't standing on it, stationary uphauling.

For more help you probably should indicate what sort of windsurfing you think you'll be doing
LethalAsh
LethalAsh
NSW
27 posts
NSW, 27 posts
21 Apr 2007 10:26pm
Thanks for all of this help. I am intending to do flat water freeriding then once i have a lot of experience i will try freestyle. Would it be better to have a board with a bigger rocker for a beginner?
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
21 Apr 2007 8:44pm
sniff, sniff, hmmmm let me see, now whats that all smell like.
"Me mates let me use his board,"
hmmm so your mate must be mute then, and maybe you cant read what size and brand gear he lent you.[}:)][}:)]
Next thing for you to do is,TTFN
Mineral
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
21 Apr 2007 8:44pm
No expert on free ride, but I don't think extra rocker makes it easier to learn. Rocker is for chop and waves, and add drag to initial acceleration, on smaller boards. Think it would actually make it harder.
LethalAsh
LethalAsh
NSW
27 posts
NSW, 27 posts
24 Apr 2007 6:27pm
ok thanks
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
24 Apr 2007 7:00pm
quote:
Originally posted by decrepit

Woops forgot me Plimsole, or was it acheimedes???
Anyway a long time ago somebody worked out that the amount of water displaced by a floating object (In the case of our board fully submerged, that's 100 litres), weighs exactly the same as the object.



I don't think the way you have worded that statement is correct, since 1L of water weighs approximately 1kg so said 100L board weighs 100kg?

sniff, sniff, hmmmm let me see, now whats that all smell like.
"Me mates let me use his board,"

Not at all, I learnt on a tyronsea 360 at the time I had no idea of the literage and I used a variety of 5m sails. No way was this relevant to me once i'd looked towards planing nor would lethalAsh's mates board probably be all that relevant to him.

LethalAsh, everyone has their preferred brands of gear so asking a forum which one is good will get as many answers as there are brands of gear. At this stage you will be looking towards a tougher sail so maybe look towards ezzy, i've never used them myself but they seem to perform well. Board wise as much as I hate to say you can't go wrong with the new JP's. Look to minimise the amount you will spend by trying to get something that you will use in light winds once you've advanced on a bit (probably something around 120L). Get some lessons or spend some more time on you're mates board until you've reached a standard where you can step onto a shortboard.
jord070
jord070
WA
1109 posts
WA, 1109 posts
24 Apr 2007 5:31pm
for me when i was learning i tryd to use a jb free ride, and i hated it, so after about 3 goes, i got a starbord GO off my dad. im 5,10 and wiegh 65kg too, this board got me up and going, on the first day on it was getting some ok speed, and i was jibing. within 3 weeks i was planing, tacing and getting used to a harness, becasue the GO is based on a formular race board it is extreemly fast when you want it to be, (good fin, in the ahrness and foot straps) and it makes it easy to get techniques, i wouldnt recoment a wider board because you dont get as much fun out of them, oh and the board i use is a 170ltr but i would have preferd about 150lters. hope this helps, another good board for learners and to head into little river jumps is the starboard carve 150 lters, not as easy to learn but it is fast and you will use it all through every stage beginer to avanced
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
24 Apr 2007 7:05pm
quote:
Originally posted by mkseven

quote:
Originally posted by decrepit

somebody worked out that the amount of water displaced by a floating object (In the case of our board fully submerged, that's 100 litres), weighs exactly the same as the object.



I don't think the way you have worded that statement is correct, since 1L of water weighs approximately 1kg so said 100L board weighs 100kg?



Mk7
Think I'm right, a fully submerged 100 litre board displaces 100 litres of water which weighs 100kg, if the board is just floating under it's own weight, it's only displacing about 7kg.
The qualifying factor is, "fully submerged." My meaning here being by rider and rig.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
24 Apr 2007 9:08pm
yer that's correct it's the way you wrote the first statement, i was just being a picky b@stard
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
24 Apr 2007 7:25pm
No worries, I tend to do the same thing myself.
holgs
holgs
WA
303 posts
WA, 303 posts
25 Apr 2007 12:19pm
I agree with jordo, too small a board can make learning very frustrating. If I were you I would borrow your friend's gear or hire until you get good enough for a smaller board, or buy a bigger board secondhand and get a more expensive smaller new board in 6 months time when you're up to it. I reckon you should have at least a 140-150 L board to learn on. Something like a Starboard Go would be good:
http://www.star-board.com/viewpage.php?page_id=29

There is an older one for sale on Seabreeze:
www.seabreeze.com.au/members/classifieds/Item.aspx?id=e7ae890d-6541-4201-bf0e-fe683bf13870&search=bWu98JfsXoc%3d

This board in your home state would also be ok. (it's not 283L like the add says, the true volume is around 150 L)
www.seabreeze.com.au/members/classifieds/Item.aspx?id=bf88796d-77f7-4b36-be08-c7c177c52710&search=bWu98JfsXoc%3d
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