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Created by Shifu > 9 months ago, 12 Dec 2016
Shifu
QLD, 1283 posts
12 Dec 2016 2:23PM
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When you haven't hit anything...




Jetlag
NSW, 98 posts
12 Dec 2016 3:31PM
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in QLD ...... Lightning Strike !!

Squid Lips
WA, 699 posts
12 Dec 2016 12:38PM
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Don't know about the crack at the base of the trailing edge but the the cracks radiating from the barrel nut are probably from corrosion building up.

Bender
WA, 2076 posts
12 Dec 2016 12:39PM
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Shifu said..
When you haven't hit anything...






Quite simple explanation really Your fin bolt is too long and has bottomed out on the fin base and cracked it as you tightened the bolt.

Magic Ride
719 posts
12 Dec 2016 1:05PM
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I disagree on the bolt bottoming out. Once the bolt has screwed as far as it can go, that's it your done. That's why there is a Philips head on the bolt, so you won't be able to over tighten it. If you do try to over tighten, it will start to strip out Philips head. Now if you modified the bolt with a hex head and tighten it with a ratchet wrench, you could find yourself in trouble, because there is more torque with that. But even then, you would hear the bolt starting to squeak and grind if you over tighten it. I'm thinking corrosion as well within the thread pitch adjustment screw.

Another possibility is maybe your thread pitch screw on the side of your finbox was just slightly out of alignment, but that would have still made you have to force the finbox screw to screw in.

Mark _australia
WA, 19563 posts
12 Dec 2016 1:18PM
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I liked both explanations.

Now going for a third one......... as the base is moulded on to the blade separately (?) I don't think either corrosion or too long a bolt could cause the big longitudinal cracks in the fin blade.
I reckon maybe the fin has been very damn stressed at some time - looks like massive side load - and that cracked it, then maybe one of the other causes has just made it apparent now later on............

Magic Ride
719 posts
12 Dec 2016 1:23PM
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That's simply put Mark, the finbox just got stressed out from usage and just cracked. Time for a new fin.

ducati
QLD, 427 posts
12 Dec 2016 4:20PM
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Most fins can't handle the awesome power delivered by the Ezzy Cheetah
Stick with G10

What Bender said, sometimes they're not drilled deep enough, either shorten the screw or get a 5mm clearance drill and drill past the barrel bolt followed by a 6mm tap

Shifu
QLD, 1283 posts
12 Dec 2016 4:29PM
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I doubt the bolt bottomed out (but it is possible), as I take a lot of care of fitting when I get new fins and boards. I also don't think the barrel nut was out of alignment as I have never felt any resistance when doing up the bolt.


Magic Ride
719 posts
12 Dec 2016 2:38PM
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Shifu,

How old is that fin? How many years of sailing do you believe you have on that fin?

Shifu
QLD, 1283 posts
12 Dec 2016 4:41PM
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Shifu,

How old is that fin? How many years of sailing do you believe you have on that fin?


One year, around 2500 kilometres.

John340
QLD, 1991 posts
12 Dec 2016 5:21PM
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It may simply be material fatigue due to cyclical loading.

Tardy
3147 posts
12 Dec 2016 3:34PM
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I had one do that ..but mine broke off flush ...I was sailing overpowered ..
never hit anything ..2 week old maui fin......i was out to sea ...it was fun getting in ...
i would say just a faulty fin .bad resin ...maybe the bolt did start a crack that kept going under stress.

Mark _australia
WA, 19563 posts
12 Dec 2016 3:56PM
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ducati said..
Most fins can't handle the awesome power delivered by the Ezzy Cheetah
Stick with G10

What Bender said, sometimes they're not drilled deep enough, either shorten the screw or get a 5mm clearance drill and drill past the barrel bolt followed by a 6mm tap


If I was going to that extent, I'd remove the barrel nut, drill deeper with a 6.5 or 1/4, then install a new barrel nut.

BTW - Imagine what a Taka could do then.......

Jupiter
2156 posts
12 Dec 2016 4:08PM
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Not an expert on fins. However, I can see stress fractures radiating from the barrel nut. Once cracks are formed, water will penetrate further and deeper to wherever it pleases. Of course, a weaken base also means the fin could be flexing around laterally in heavy loading. I would suggest checking the depth of the bolt. Also, it may pay to check in future if there was any rubbish built up at the bottom of the hole. Sand is one possible suspect, I reckon.

Shifu
QLD, 1283 posts
12 Dec 2016 6:15PM
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I think a full surgical postmortem is called for.

Haggar
QLD, 1596 posts
12 Dec 2016 6:15PM
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I think its just overloading caused by excessive fishy smell. Rather obvioius actually.

Imax1
VIC, 2258 posts
12 Dec 2016 7:47PM
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Shifu said..

Magic Ride said..
Shifu,

How old is that fin? How many years of sailing do you believe you have on that fin?



One year, around 2500 kilometres.



Read the service history manual ,
Should be serviced every 2000 km or 18 years , whatever comes first.
At least pay the extra and get sea side assistance .

Tardy
3147 posts
12 Dec 2016 5:35PM
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Zooming the photo up .i don't reckon its the bolt at all .it has fractures on the top and a long the fin .
its crap resin ...braking under stress..
Its stuffed.


Von
SA, 99 posts
12 Dec 2016 8:52PM
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Don't buy another one!!

Piv
WA, 368 posts
12 Dec 2016 8:04PM
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Its a powa box, its supposed to break. There is your problem.

BTB
WA, 101 posts
12 Dec 2016 8:21PM
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You can see the left side of the fin has sanding marks and never taken any load on the box. Same for the right side but not to the same extent.
There is a dark area around the barrel nut where the fin has taken load. The cracks running up,into the fin itself radiate from the edges of the dark load zone.
My conclusion poorly fitted to box and load not shared along the length of the box over a zillion KM
Check the fin box for wear before fitting another fin.

Well it's a good story anyways

Haircut
QLD, 6297 posts
15 Dec 2016 10:22PM
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is it a Makani fin? If so, they've sold some advertised as g10 that aren't g10 even though the fin is marked with g10 (apparently they changed the manufacturing process?), and some might have a defect. I've had one labelled as g10 that fractured approx 1cm below and parallel to the board in less than 3 months with tame use.

If it is, give them an email and they should be able to send you a replacement. It was about $25aud for the replacement. I chose to replace it with a different model that was definitely more like a g10 construction which they confirmed before sending it. It's been working well since.



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