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bora35
bora35
NSW
52 posts
NSW, 52 posts
27 May 2006 3:15pm
Hi ALL
Thinking about buying ,starboard hypersonic111,are they technical to ride,get on the plane early ,windrange?any feedback would be much appreciated..
cheers..
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
27 May 2006 8:19pm
slow to plane n technical for sure, but once u manage to get it on the plane it will stay on it for much lnger than most other boards. its not a board for recreation enjoyment but performance. if thats wot u want, then go for it. no fun underpowered tho.
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
27 May 2006 8:40pm
i was thinkin of you padi when i saw this post...
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
27 May 2006 10:55pm
I've got a hypersonic 105 and I find it a fantastic board with an incredible wind range. It's definitely not conventional and takes a little while to get used to.

I find it planes very early ([email protected] sail) but it requires a totally different technique to get it going compared to a regular board. I'd describe the ride as 'locked in', it's not a board that changes direction fast. Whilst It's actually very soft over chop due to the radically concaved bottom I do find it a bit 'edgy' in that it catches edges easily which can, depending on chop conditions, lead to some interesting moments.

I have used it with my 8.5 and it's 44cm stock fin up to 20kts and up to 30kts with a pro limit 34cm G10 fin and 5.8m and found it's perfectly fine in both wind states, although at 30kts of wind it's a bit hairy :P

I generally sail it off the beach when the wind is a bit light for wave sailing and find it a perfect board for this. It's fast on all angles and once you've got it planing, even with a massive drop in wind pressure, it just keeps on trucking.

Definitely not the board for everyone due to the differnet riding style but I love it :)
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
28 May 2006 5:33am
Different to ride: points upwind all the time when you first start riding them, nosedives, kind of slow to plane, grabs at wake and initially a nightmare to gybe. They are technical to get 100% out of, and that is part of the challenge of owning one, if you want a board you can just hop in the straps and cruise DO NOT GET ONE.

But they are the fastest 75cm+ wide board (I am regularly seeing over 30 knots in choppy conditions), they carry the speed to all points of sail and have a huge wind/sail range- pretty much the biggest of any board available (I cant see myself parting with mine anytime soon since there is no one board i can use for racing which will replace it).

I have used mine with a 9m down to 5.4m and it handled all of these sails beautifully, fins 52cm-32cm. They can and I have seen them used with 9.8m's and I would say 5m is definately their lower limit. The key to getting them planing is moving back quicker than normal boards and always rig big and have enough sail to pull the board on the plane. By doing this I can use it in 10 knots (90kg)and yes padi I know it planes slow with my 6.7m SPEED SAIL . Dont really look at the volume as the have alot of virtual volume- feels at least 120L, the only time i've noticed it is sailing in light winds on fresh water.

I love the wood construction, excellent ding resistance- I hate starboard's fin boxes. I have size 11 feet and have some problems with front foot catching the chop at times, I wish it had another set of holes in a little but I'm working around this (DRAM versions and I think the 105's have the extra holes). Biggest wind I've had it in is 30 knots, handled it fine... they do start to get a bit flighty. The catching the wake thing is something you sort of get used to and muscle the board through it. One other thing that makes them challenging is they have alot of fore-aft trim adjustment, but getting it right is half the fun.

Yes other boards can and do work better in their respective conditions but for 1 performance board to do it all hypersonic is king. Be prepared to give it time... they will reward you in the end.
qldsalty
qldsalty
QLD
299 posts
QLD, 299 posts
28 May 2006 8:10am
Hi Bora35,
I have a Hyper 111 I bought last Nov. It was technical at the start but now am a di hard convert to the board. It has stopped my 3monthly turn over of boards it is that good. It does plan very early, BUT you have to have the right technique to do it. I currently ride it with a V8 8.5 and V8 6.5. The incredible ablility to continue planing through lulls is it's top virtue. Where I sail there is one other guy on a Hyper 96 and he and I plan as earlier than the max size boards without the deep fin worries. You wont need a sail bigger than a 8-9 m again. I did get a Select 49 Viper fin for very light days 10 - 13 knts. After that the fin is to big. I can then go down to the 42 fin with the 8.5 and handle a lot more wind. Over 18knts the 6.5 with a 34 fin is very sweet. It covers such a range of conditions I now have only one other board ( 86 ltrs) for bump & Jump and waves. I used to have no less than three or four boards. If you take your time to learn the tricks to get the early planning you will be so happy you bought it. Have fun.
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
28 May 2006 8:28am
did u guys know WindFX have got your replacement RS6 battens in the shop? There were several sets there.

bora35
bora35
NSW
52 posts
NSW, 52 posts
28 May 2006 2:42pm
I think ,will get one ,sounds like its worth trying might love it or hate it,but such a radical design and dont make them anymore,thanks everyone for their feedback,have fun..
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
28 May 2006 1:28pm
For those of you that like this style of board the Isonic range is the evolution of the hypersonic concept.

For more info on these read below

Posted - 25/05/2006 : 09:55:14
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For those of you who like to go FAST or dislike being overtaken...

Windsurf UK gave the Isonic 105 the big thumbs up - here are some excerpts from their review -

"The iSonic is new for 2006, replacing the high profile Hypersonic range that captured the public's imagination when it was released three years ago, and must take part of the credit for reigniting interest in speed/slalom sailing"

"The iSonic is one of the standout boards in the group; liked by all who tried it, it offers the range and versatility to suit a wide cross section of rider styles and abilities"

"Control matched with stunning performance levels"


Verdict

The iSonic comes very highly recommended, being one of the fastest yet easiest boards to sail in this group. Offering excellent control and speed across a massive wind range, it will flatter the less experienced sailor whilst captivating the pro

For the full RAVE Review go here:

http://www.star-board.com/products/testresults/view_test.asp?Number=96
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
28 May 2006 5:57pm
hey bora ... there's one for sale on EBAY, only $150 at the mo and the sale looks genuine...
bora35
bora35
NSW
52 posts
NSW, 52 posts
29 May 2006 2:14am
Thanks Windy,I keep my eyes on it..
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
29 May 2006 4:51am
Isonic is nothing like hypersonic, the only current boards which really are similar in design brief is the exocet s3/4.
Bayblaster
Bayblaster
VIC
122 posts
VIC, 122 posts
29 May 2006 2:43pm
Does anyone have any experience with the Hypersonic 105ltr jobbie? I'm about 95kg so am worried it will be a sinker board, therefore making it more of a high wind board than a light/medium wind one.
I currently have a Techno 152 ltr which doesnt plane too early and an old Mistral explosion Concept 120Ltr, which I prefer to the Techno, I also have a Mistral Naish Wave 89ltr for high wind. Cheers.


mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
29 May 2006 4:00pm
The 111 is a better board than the 105, medium winds the 105 is ok but light winds and 95kg is a bit small (mainly around transitions etc). The 111 gybes better, but I feel with the inboard strap positions available on the 105 it would be better in the rough.

Padi uses a 105 though and he planes at the equivalent time of a 95kg person, yes padi laugh if you will from your 150L pedestal but I remember you are slow to plane

Light to medium winds, 95kg I recommend the 133.
qldsalty
qldsalty
QLD
299 posts
QLD, 299 posts
30 May 2006 6:11am
There is a second hand 133 at Caloundra City Sailboards. If you look at Sunshine Coast Sailboards Web site there are new Hypers in the sailboard special section for under $1400 2005 and cheaper for 2004/2003. Don't know what Goodtime have as they don't have an updated list of any sort on there web site.
Bayblaster
Bayblaster
VIC
122 posts
VIC, 122 posts
30 May 2006 10:00am
Thanks for the info, yep, It's what I figured, the light wind benifit's go flying out the window on the 105 board. If the wind's not strong enough for me to waterstart I'm stuck out there cause it's probably not uphaulable. If I get one it will be for medium wind plus. I'm going to offload my techno as it's neither quick to plane nor super fast or maneverable, but it's been a great board.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
30 May 2006 11:16am
Uphaul, for sure you will be able to... at 95kg you should be able to uphaul any board down to 50 wide and 80L. OK this is a challenge and not something you do all the time but it can be done easily with some practice and sailing up to your knees in water. It will not sink anyway: I got stuck out in the middle of the bay a few weeks ago ahead of a change in no wind (mirror calm), I happily floated on the hyper 111 till the wind came the width makes it very stable... wish I had a fishing line with me, maybe next time.

Light wind benefits of the extra volume in hyper's should be felt in gybing, tacking and early planing. Pretty much the extra volume helps you step back earlier and stay back later.

Stepping from a techno to a hyper is a big jump and not one I really recommend. Do not get it unless you will use it, if you love going fast competively then fine... if not there are many other boards which do similar things and are much more user friendly. As an example Padi does not like his, he does not like it's planing abilities so even if he still raced he probably wouldnt use it. I do race and for the style of racing we do it is the perfect one board, I also have freestyle/wave boards which I use most of the time as they are nicer to use and I can do more with them.
Auswind
Auswind
WA
398 posts
WA, 398 posts
30 May 2006 9:29am
Definitley some killer deals on Hypersonics out there at the moment - ask your local Starboard retailer - if they dont have any in stock they can get them from the distributor.

Riding wise the trick to light wind planing with the Hypersonic is to get back in or near the straps and then pump the rig - its almost counter intuitive to the traditional style of pumping onto the plane and then stepping into the straps.

This is the key to unlocking the magic bottom end that this board delivers.

The 133 will be suitable for our 95 kg plus riders - it is basically just a thicker hull than the 111 (to provide more flotation)

here is a review of the 111

http://www.star-board.com/products/testresults/view_test.asp?Number=59



qldsalty
qldsalty
QLD
299 posts
QLD, 299 posts
30 May 2006 4:13pm
MK7 .I see you raced in one of the Lake Cootharabah races at the end of the season. Did you use the Hyper there or something else?? Also are you racing on it next season??? I can't place you but this season I'll go to most races on the Hyper 111 and a RS6 8.5 when it shows up.It would be good to be up against the same board with similar rigs. I know another with a hyper 96 who may come to racing and expects to have a rs6 as well. Did you previously have a Naish?
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
31 May 2006 12:51am
I raced 2 races at the lake with the hyper, I was worried about the volume at first since the first time I stepped on it up there- there was no wind at it sank quite a bit due to the fresh water. 1st race (3rd last race): missed first heat, lead second heat up till last gybe big hole and was overtaken - finished 2nd, last heat started second last, caught up to 3rd finished in 5th very fluky winds... winner won all 3 on old 85 wide formula. Last race there: first heat lead up until last reach overtaken by vando coming out of the gybe (I was still happy he is a better sailor), next three heats terrible starts and last heat second all the way until last reach where I couldnt hold onto sail anymore... that will teach me to party until 3am the morning before a race (especially one with 3 hours travel prior) .

So yes the hyper works very well at the lake, I used 9m and 7.2m RX2's up there. This (next) season I have changed to aerotech and will be using a 8.5m rapid fire which offers me a little more bottom end and hopefully a little more reaching speed than the RX's (Rapid's twist off better) but I will lose upwind angle obviously. Vando had an excellent season on his rapid fire's and they impressed me no end. My smaller sizes are 06 VMG proto's but I dont think I will have enough wind to ever use them up there. I will be racing there when I can next season provided they dont involve kites in with the sailboarders again.

Before the hyper I used full carbon Bic vivace's and only started back racing last year. I had MK7 sail numbers but this has changed to aus number so if you see those sails it aint me. Will be good to have a few more racer's regardless of what they ride, the good thing about the lake is everyone has a go on all types of gear... old formula, freestyle, slalom, whatever. I do think the hyper is advantageous in qld due to the low wind speed and figure 8 course where it's speed on all tacks and pointing ability gives you alot of options.

Once the warmer winds come back feel free to drop by wello anytime, vando and I sail together when i'm up for it and the bay throws some challenges at the hyper's.
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
31 May 2006 6:32am
Thanks MK7, I never recalled me not getting on the plane when you have :P and mine is 6 lit smaller than yours lol :P perhaps I'll carry some weights with me so we have equal weight and see who planes first? Would 30kgs b enuv rofl.

I like the hyper (notice the term 'like' than 'love', else I wouldnt stil have it, but unless it is solidly blowing, i will not use it in a race fullstop. u will simply b left behind in d holes. its slow to get on the plane, thats a fact, but once it gets going, very few can beat ya, dats also a fact. i wouldnt mind trying the 133, anyone wanna do a swap for a day?

mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
31 May 2006 6:44am
Padi I'm talkin pre hyper days, and besides you always sail that aircraft carrier

Got to disagree with you, you rig big for racing anyway so rarely get left behind in the holes. The racing now they tend to wait for conditions where everyone can get planing anyway
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
31 May 2006 7:25am
Not really, look at the States Slalom, they wait wait wait n look wot happened? no States this year lol. i was more referring to races at d lake, they go more or less in any wind. I have seen so many got caught out floating along d course lol. besides nothing wrong with big carriers, plane in 7kts while ur looking for clouds lol!
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
31 May 2006 7:31am
you've never planed in 7 knots- maybe on your jetski. Lake races now they wait for wind

States was going to be a nightmare when they announced it was at the non windy end of the season.
vando
vando
QLD
3419 posts
QLD, 3419 posts
1 Jun 2006 6:54pm
Hey Pat I saw you dredge around the coarse one race last year.
Talk about desperado and as for planing in 7 knots dream on.
There was 10knots that day and you never planned once.
seeya on Sat



SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
1 Jun 2006 8:04pm
i dont mean on the hyper - no chance at all, talking about formula board 12.5 sail. u hav one? i didnt think so.

cant make saturday to wello, all set with crowd to go goldie, party starts friday nite! if we fin early on sat we might drop by, hope there r some sausages left lol!
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
1 Jun 2006 8:08pm
hahaha so you're admitting to not planing early on anything short of the endevour with enough sail area to match.
vando
vando
QLD
3419 posts
QLD, 3419 posts
1 Jun 2006 8:18pm
quote:
formula board 12.5 sail

buy a hobbie cat or a jet ski, ah that's right you did LOL.
That should suit you being a short learning curve (about 5 min).

SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
1 Jun 2006 8:26pm
yeap, looking at a more poweful ski already, less than a week i got one!
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