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elizabethb
elizabethb
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24 Jul 2005 10:56am
mkseven - I don't see why Junior and I couldn't help each other out. I was at wello last sunday, and there was a windsurfer there setting up. I asked himif he needed a hand 2 carry it down 2 the water, cuz it seemed huge! But he said no... So i just gather that why would they want a kiter to help them, when they could do it faster without our help?

I would assume, that the restrictions were made at Wello, mainly because there must have been an incident that sparked it, but there is nothing risky really with windsurfing... With kitesurfing, you could wipe someone out... It's only kiters that are banned setting up in particular areas, so it's nothing for you windsurfs to worry about until you guys are banned. We forced it upon ourselves, so it's something that we have to worry about, not you guys. [}:)]

I don't see why we all can't get along- Yeah, continually people will argue whether kiting or windsurfing is better; I cannot judge because I have only kited and not windsurfed- I will always joke that kiting is better, but it's all in good fun... C'mon pplz... It's not 2 hard...

Btw- Junior and I get along, it's Haircut and his immature attitude. Whether he was a kiter, surfer or whatever, I do not put up with people like that..

Elizabeth - Wello Kiter
Brighton Kiter Rhys
Brighton Kiter Rhys
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24 Jul 2005 9:13am
I kite full time, and i always help windsurfer guys pop their cams on and pull on extra downhaul and unscrew mast bases that cold fingers cannot etc... cos i know what a bastard all those things can be. kinda feel sorry for the old windsufers, we got nuthin that difficult to do when rigging!
ive seen other kiters do it 2... and its not just to scab a launch!

time on the water is valuable to us as well, but have you ever heard a kiter reply 'no i wanna get out there right now' to a request of help? i certainly havnt...

i know its said 2 often, but they will come back and help you if you need it one day, jnr freeride got me outa a nasty spot of trouble one day after i helped get his cams on!

Haircut 4000
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24 Jul 2005 11:30am
sigh........... i still love you elizabethb
poor relative
poor relative
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24 Jul 2005 9:32am
Ive never had bad experiences with windsurfers except when surfing and got run down when paddling out by a complete twat who had no regard for anything or anyone.

i dont believe that you can judge someone because they're a kiter or a windsurfer its personalities and in that regard there are great people and there are twats.

mkseven
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24 Jul 2005 12:09pm
Rhys admittedly I've never had a request of help, nor received and if I did see a kiter having difficulty I would help as I have quite a few times already. It would just ** me though if everytime I went to launch a kiter was there asking for help while they sort out their lines.

Elizabethb actually everyone is banned from rigging and launching from the beach, the signs exclude all personal water craft not just kiters. This became an issue after several children became entangled in kitelines etc. I believe kiters were specifically addressed and the solution was for you to not rig (whatever you call it) above high water mark. That said I've seen alot of windsurfers planing in amoungst swimmers which is irresponsible and probably illegal, one windsurfer was killed at wello years ago and this could quite easily happen to a swimmer struck at 30knots. Also a wayward sail picked up by a wind shift is potentially more damaging than a kite filled with air but we've pretty much managed to keep that under control (ok so there have been a few dinted cars ).

I'm not arguing that one is better than the other, both are forms of freedom and i'm all for people getting along just dont impede on someone elses freedom. I have had alot of kiters screaming abuse because if kiting towards me I cut upwind, who in their right mind would go downwind where there is 30 foot of line.

Oh and if I ever refuse help it's probably cause some things in windsurfing are an absolute pain in the a** and I'd never wish that upon anyone else.
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
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24 Jul 2005 1:54pm
heya mkseven - do you remember how the guy windsurfing died? I vaguely remember someone telling me about it.

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mkseven
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24 Jul 2005 4:39pm
I believe there was a collision between two boards, not certain whether he died of head injury or drowned. It happened before I started sailing more than 11 years ago, alot of guys wore helmets back then and that was one of the reasons. Actually I was hit 3 times in my first couple years of sailing, sailors must not have watched where they were going although windsurfing was alot more popular/crowded back then.

Vando would possibly remember he has been sailing longer than me.
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
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24 Jul 2005 5:03pm
ahh, was it because the helmet impaired their vision, or it weighed his head down after he was knocked out, or something like that?

speaking of impaired vision, i think wearing sunnies while sailing is a bit of a problem. the guys i sail with who wear them tend to be the ones you need to keep out of the way of or they end up running you over. I tried wearing them on a couple of occasions but as soon as a splash of water hits the lens, i either couldn't see, or i kept looking at these dots in front of me for the rest of the afternoon and end up crosseyed, and that's if i didn't end up dropping them in the drink within the first 5 minutes
mkseven
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24 Jul 2005 6:12pm
Yeah something like that, pretty silly that if he drowned wearing a helmet more people bought helmets. Pretty easy to happen I suppose, i've been knocked out sailing once when clew hit me under chin somehow i woke up, strangely not even the life jackets qld windsurfers are supposed to wear would save us in those circumstances.
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
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24 Jul 2005 6:34pm
strange isn't it.

The last time I sailed at wellington point, I noticed that at least 5 sailors were wearing helmets. I guess there were probably 20 guys out that day and most of them were younger thatn our sailors here at goldcoast. I know of only two people on the goldcoast who wear helmets. At currumbin there may be 10 sailors on a good day and maybe only 1 wearing a helmet. At the broadwater on a good day, there can be around 25 different sailors out throughout the day and there would probably be 2 out of 25 that wear helmets. Mind you, the broadwater probably isn't the most radical spot, but there is a ton of water boating/plane activity there packed into a small area, and you certainly learn to grow eyes in the back of your head

interesting to know what influences someone to purchase a helmet
mkseven
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24 Jul 2005 6:48pm
I used to query a bit cause we were always of the helmets are for girls mentality, answers ranged from i saves me from getting sunburnt to you only get one head and quite a bit of referal to the guy that died. Wello and Manly have a reasonably old sailing demographic so their wisdom/paranoia maybe adds to the number of helmets seen.

Seen a few kiters wearing helmets too, really strange...no booms/masts/board noses to headbutt, unless they like playing chicken with windsurfers
elizabethb
elizabethb
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24 Jul 2005 6:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by mkseven

Seen a few kiters wearing helmets too, really strange...no booms/masts/board noses to headbutt, unless they like playing chicken with windsurfers



Yeah there's only like one chick and this one guy who wear's a helmet. I have one but have never found the need to wear it. The main reason for wearing one, is if you have a board leash attatched to the board. Therefore if u stack it, the board could come back and hit you in the head. So mainly helmets are only used for kiters with a board leash, or those attempting new tricks and may land on their board or the board fly of while doing a trick... Better to be safe than sorry I guess...

Elizabeth - Wello novice Kiter
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
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24 Jul 2005 6:58pm
just taking a punt, i'd say the average goldcaost windsurfer age would be 45. From what I see when i go to wellpoint it would be about 35. Probably explains why your level of sailing skill there is a bit higher than here. I was surprised at how many guys can loop and vulcan at wp. Up till recently, we may see one or two guys a year who can do advanced stuff on the goldcaost. We do have some younger sailors coming out of the woodwork this year, and already they are at the level of most of the guys who have been sailing for 15 years here. Hopefully it will inject a bit of enthusiasm back into the scene
Haircut 4000
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24 Jul 2005 7:03pm
just to add, i generally only head to wellpt when the wind is forecast westish at 25 knots plus, so maybe that filters out alot of the post 35yo sailors from being present on the days i'm there.
mkseven
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24 Jul 2005 7:23pm
I've never seen a vulcan at wello (maybe me in 10 years if i start trying now ), not many loops apart from in big south easter's either. I wish I did see more as i'd probably run home and get the camera. Manly tends to be the freestyle location for this side of brisbane. I guess when I think about it a bit more it is a reasonable spread on sailor age here.
vando
vando
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24 Jul 2005 8:55pm
Hey mark welcome to seabreeze.
What happened you get bored waiting around for the wind.
looking pretty quiet for the next 7 days.
did you get out last week at all seem to be a bit of wind around.
I had the flu so I didn't get out.
That guy that got killed I believe it was at vicky point a long time ago now.not sure if he died there or later in hospital or what the injuries were he died of.
and yer manly seems to be the freestyle spot and wello the speed spot prob because its flatter water at wello.You do seem some many guys come over to wello in a northerly on the jetty side where the swell goes off on a low tide it actually breaks over the reef there.
and of course every one comes to wello in good westerly.that prob why you see some good sailers there.
as for the kiters topic I wish we could all just get along.
there are some kiters that like to play chicken with us.
I don't think they realize that we don't have a lot of room to move or can stop suddenly.We can either go 30 meters down wind or shot up wind.add a few more kiters to the equation danger!!.I had this experience last year when I was sailing next to a friend heading in to the beach when a kiter had he's line horizontal with the water and he wouldn't lift his lines up it got that close I was ready to bail.This has happen before and a guy had his mast broken in half.Apparently the kiter thought this was real funny.
It could of easy been someones head.
I generally don't have probs with most of the kiters just a few bad apples but it could destroy the fun for everyone.

big flatus
big flatus
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25 Jul 2005 10:10am
elizabeth your boring me and others with your dribble take that boring waveslave with you and stay out of the windsurfing forums!
Go and bore your fellow kiters to death!
waveslave
waveslave
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25 Jul 2005 12:23pm
@ big flatus;

Do I need to remind you that this topic is titled 'Kiters Banned'?

Are you surprised that kiters are responding to this thread?
(Regardless of where it is located within the forum)

I would be more mystified if they didn't and be appalled by the apathy.
mkseven
mkseven
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25 Jul 2005 2:37pm
Yeah Mike got so depressed at seeing a day and week of red that I thought I would use more of the site. No no sailing for me, either working or too lazy when it has been windy...I hate this cold weather. Did you manage to improve gps speed on that westerly I last saw you?

I was always told the guy died at wello, and it was millsy that got to him but no luck, could be way wrong though as I wasnt there.

I think for the most part we dont have that many tricksters at wello because we have no shop owners/workers that sail there regularly. When they do sail somewhere they tend to bring the sailors with them.
leski
leski
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25 Jul 2005 3:04pm
elizabethb
elizabethb
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25 Jul 2005 5:17pm
quote:
Originally posted by big flatus

elizabeth your boring me and others with your dribble take that boring waveslave with you and stay out of the windsurfing forums!
Go and bore your fellow kiters to death!



ah big flatus... My word, you certainly have a bias opinion don't you! I don't see really any other respected windsurfers complaining that we are talking here. Note, it is titled, "Kiters Banned", and therefore, seeing I am a kiter, I feel the need to comment on an issue that is related to myself and kiting. Haircut, Junior, mkseven and I were just discussing the ban and related issues. We may have gone a bit off topic, but are we not discussing windsurfers and kitesurfers feelings about helping each other!? We are just sharing and sorting out where we all windsurf and kite, the bans emposed and the law and reasons behind it all! I certainly would rather we all get along, than disagree.

I am sure you know I share opinions and respect others in here mate, I am not causing any trouble, and if I am, please feel free to pvt msg me and inform me of any problems you have.
Elizabeth - Wello Kiter
elizabethb
elizabethb
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25 Jul 2005 5:20pm
Hey haircut and mkseven,

The winds predicted for the next week certainly doesn't look any good! Some of you guys are very fortunate because you can get out in light winds when kiters can't... Now that's an advantage... The water all to yourselves

Happy windsurfing and kiting all... Sunday's prediction is picking up...

Elizabeth - Wello Kiter
big flatus
big flatus
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25 Jul 2005 3:33pm
YAWN ZZZzzz
waveslave
waveslave
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25 Jul 2005 5:04pm
Fellow Kiters,

This is the thing.....

As soon as you willingly surrender a kite-site and allow another user-group exclusive control.....
Well, the rot really sets in big-time then.
That lost site will never be won back.

Then other sailing venues will be targeted for the banishment of kiters, unjustifiably.
Your opponents will rehash the same, lame, claims that they spewed forth about the initial site;
using that as a precedent to back-up their arrogant demands.

Learn to share the ocean
'slave
elizabethb
elizabethb
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25 Jul 2005 7:30pm
quote:
Learn to share the ocean


Completely agree 'slave - We all need to share Whatever sport we're into...
blutch
blutch
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25 Jul 2005 7:51pm
THIS IS FUNNY

ITS LIKE A TRUCK DRIVER ASK A GUY ON A BICYCLE TO SHARE THE ROAD
elizabethb
elizabethb
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25 Jul 2005 7:57pm
you mean someone will end up getting hurt!
Haircut 4000
Haircut 4000
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25 Jul 2005 8:16pm
quote:
Originally posted by mkseven

Manly tends to be the freestyle location for this side of brisbane.



I last sailed at manly about 18 months ago. I had a great day. Must have been about 40 sailors there and a handfull of them were really cookin. I think it might have been one of the first times i witnessed people pull forwards and and sail away from them like it was a walk in the park. It was a 40 degree day and the water felt about 30. It was like a spa. Will have to go back there this summer.
waveslave
waveslave
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25 Jul 2005 6:17pm
blutch,

Guide me thru your analogical post.

The guy riding the small kiteboard is the.......bicycle???

And the guy riding the larger sailboard is the......truck???

And ofcourse the ocean is the..road.

Is that right???
blutch
blutch
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25 Jul 2005 8:39pm
if yu cant realize yu take heaps more room than a windsurf, for sure someone will end up getting hurt on the beach
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