"Lee Helm"

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nebbian
nebbian
WA
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4 Jan 2009 11:57pm
On Saturday I was on my iSonic 94, with a 6.8 cammed sail. The board felt a bit stuck to the water, so I moved the mast foot back, which helped a bit. The setup felt stable and balanced, I went upwind better than most that day, no worries.

Then once the wind picked up I rigged a 5.6. For some reason, every time a gust hit me I would get turned downwind. I think this is called "Lee helm" in sailing speak. I would have to really fight the rig to get back upwind.

I've never had this happen before, never really had that 5.6 out in nice wind before either so haven't tuned everything properly.

Does anyone know what usually causes this? Harness lines too far back? Mast foot too far back? Boom too high/low?
elmo
elmo
WA
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WA, 8894 posts
5 Jan 2009 12:05am
I don't know about "Lee Helm" I'd call it "good fun"
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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WA, 23687 posts
5 Jan 2009 12:28am
I think by then it was windy enough that the fin was too big, causing railing up ... which usually translates into a bearing away also.

nebbian
nebbian
WA
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WA, 6277 posts
5 Jan 2009 12:40am
Hi Mark,

The fin was a MFC Weed burner 29, no way it was railing up. It was quite small for the 6.8, constantly on the edge of spinout, you could quite often feel it starting to stall (not ventilate).

No such problems with the 5.6, but I'm sure it wasn't lifting the windward rail.
Bender
Bender
WA
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5 Jan 2009 9:23am
Mark _australia said...

I think by then it was windy enough that the fin was too big, causing railing up ... which usually translates into a bearing away also.





I think you will find when you are over finned and "railng up" you will round up into the wind.

Nebs try dropping your boom a little bit.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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WA, 23687 posts
5 Jan 2009 11:53am
Yes I don't think a 29cm was causing you trouble hahaha.

Bender, fair enough my last slalom gear was 7-8yrs ago, but I am sure when it railed up it lifted the windward rail so the effect was the same as initiating a gybe.

(Kinetic Mission 68cm 145L + GTX 7.5 with about a 45cm fin from memory)
snides8
snides8
WA
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WA, 1731 posts
5 Jan 2009 12:11pm
how far back did you have your mast base nebbs? i would be tempted to put it all the way back with a weedy.i run my mast all the way back on my 105 as far as it will go with a weedy(and it could go further if the track was longer).
if your not railing or overpowering the fin then this would help.
if you are bearing off then the "lee helm" may suggest the centre of effort is forward of the centre of lateral resistance.
is the 5.6 cammed?
nebbian
nebbian
WA
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WA, 6277 posts
5 Jan 2009 12:16pm
Thanks Snides.

Yep the 5.6 is a 4 cam Loft Blade, I was thinking that the center of effort might be forwards, funny that I didn't have the trouble with the 6.8 (same mast base position). Mast base was as far back as a 2 bolt chinook base will allow.

Perhaps a high boom and mast base back made the sail rake too far forwards? I'll try moving the boom down a bit next time. I've been moving it higher and higher because it's supposed to be better (according to Obi-wan-BenderObi).

Thanks for the replies.
Richiefish
Richiefish
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QLD, 5612 posts
5 Jan 2009 1:19pm
On a sailboat you can alter the weather/lee helm by moving the mast base and or headsail sheet blocks position. Moving the rig aft will increase weather helm (turn you into the wind), moving it forward gives you lee helm.(bad) A few degrees of weather helm is desirable. How this translates to windsurfing I dont know ?
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