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fletch1408
fletch1408
TAS
44 posts
TAS, 44 posts
27 Jan 2010 11:01pm
Kinda boring topic but had to share...
I am beginning to think there is an inverse relationship between the amount of kit you have and the fun/enjoyment factor!

Recent sessions have left me with a one sail/board setup.

I think having less options to choose from is actually better - i only go to beach when conditions are right (instead of trying to go in marginal/maxxed wind - happier wife) faster car load/unload, no rig options to think about.

It reminds me of the simplicity of surfing - waves up - grab board, beach - fun.

Might sail bit less but it feels better...

WindmanV
WindmanV
VIC
825 posts
VIC, 825 posts
28 Jan 2010 9:35am
Fletch,

Sorry, but you are totally wrong.

As Danny DeVito said in one of his movies: "The man whose richest when he dies....WINS!" javascript:insertsmilie('')
aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
28 Jan 2010 9:53am
I agree with you there fletch.

I have recently dropped back to a 1 board/2 sail combo and have to say I find my time on the water more enjoyable. I am never left wondering if I took the right board out etc.

And having a young family at home, only going out when the conditions are right suits them pretty well too.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
28 Jan 2010 12:39pm
fletch1408 said...

i only go to beach when conditions are right (instead of trying to go in marginal/maxxed wind - happier wife)


Might sail bit less but it feels better...


I'd like to agree with you...but can't!

Also as a Vic sailor, if I had only 1 board & 1 sail...I'd have to go with my 135lt board & 6.5 sail, as that's the most used combi for me.

Weekend before last was out on waves with a 135lt & 6.5 on Saturday, and my 109lt & 5.5 on Sunday...enjoyed 2 sails, where I wouldn't have been able to manage bigger on Sunday.

Aussie Day, took 165lt & 7.5 to beach (and paddle, thinking there wasn't enough wind)...managed 2hrs of powered up sailing, whereas with smaller gear, would've slogged.

Maybe one day when adjustable sails have been perfected...
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
28 Jan 2010 1:07pm
I too wish I could simplify agree but its difficult to unless you live somewhere with consistant weather or you are prepared to go sailing only a few days of the year. For example when I went on a holiday to WA over a summer I used two sails, a 4.4m and a 5.0m and a 80L wave board. If you lived in Maui you could probably get away with a quiver like that and go for a sail 3 or 4 days a week all year round.

Today in NSW I keep that gear but never use it and have a 105L and 140L Freeride boards and a 5.9m, 6.6m, 7.4m and 7.8m sail. Plus I sometimes use my wife's 220L beginners board when its light.

So basically if I have time to get on the water and unless its totally calm or blowing over 40 knots I can go for a sail on gear that is not too uncomfortable to use.

Of course we could go back to the days of one board and one sail, like it was originally. But then someone will decide to use a smaller sail and board when its quite windy and we will start heading down the same road again.
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
28 Jan 2010 1:20pm
"He who dies with the most toys wins."
theWaterBoy
theWaterBoy
WA
225 posts
WA, 225 posts
28 Jan 2010 12:38pm
I sort of agree in your first comment that less is more. I sail in Perth so our wind is more consistent but I have 2 boards with only 1 fin each and three sails.

I still beat myself up when I choose to small or too heavy a sail for the day but, i never complain about having the wrong fin.

With so many variables involved in terms of how you rig and trim, boom height, harness lines position, mast foot position the less the variables with equipment the better to improve your sailing.

I do have to add I am only an intermediate sailor. I have no doubt that for performance sailors, or extreme wave sailors, squeezing the last few percentage point out of your sailing by having a wider selection of kit is important.
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
28 Jan 2010 7:35pm
easty said...

"He who dies with the most toys wins."


He who dies with the most toys doesn't win but he kids will enjoy blowing it all.
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
28 Jan 2010 10:01pm
More I say....9 sails, 8 fins, 4 boards, 4 bases, 4 masts, 4 extensions, 3 booms and a whole lot of other crap that I proberly never needed. God this sport is awesome.
Paul Yeomans
Paul Yeomans
WA
66 posts
WA, 66 posts
28 Jan 2010 7:11pm
easty said...

"He who dies with the most toys wins."


thats what Anders Bringdal reckons, and he`s a legend of the sport!
(for the groms out there he was a ripper in the 90`s)
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
28 Jan 2010 7:39pm
fletch1408 said...

Kinda boring topic but had to share...
I am beginning to think there is an inverse relationship between the amount of kit you have and the fun/enjoyment factor!

Recent sessions have left me with a one sail/board setup.

I think having less options to choose from is actually better - i only go to beach when conditions are right (instead of trying to go in marginal/maxxed wind - happier wife) faster car load/unload, no rig options to think about.

It reminds me of the simplicity of surfing - waves up - grab board, beach - fun.

Might sail bit less but it feels better...




I remember when I was too new to windsurfing to know any better, and drove down to a spot down the coast with my only board and 2 sails. There were all these guys standing around, while I just rigged up and got planing straight away. I had a 7.5m and a wide beginners board. These guys were obviously waiting for stronger wind that never turned up. I am sure they would have had almost as much fun if they had bigger sails and boards with them (especially as some of these guys had driven a few hours from Canberra to get there).

Why would you want to go to the effort of getting to a sailing spot and not cover most of the conditions?

I like sailing in 20 knots, but if its 16 or 30, I still enjoy the sailing much more than sitting on the beach or in my car.

Of course some people think you can take it to extremes and have too many boards. Too many boards? There is no such thing




pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
29 Jan 2010 3:29am
Personally, I find that people with more, fancier equipment spend a lot of time un-rigging and measuring and re-rigging and de-rigging. I think for many it's a means of depowering. (Here at least.)

Meanwhile all this action on dry land, some are spending time on the water freestyling, overpowered with sails that may be half-meter over. Big deal.

In the end, it's whatever floats your boat, mate. Just don't wanna hear about windsurfing being too expensive, right?

(Happier wife: mmh - if I can't take a few hours in a 168-hour week sailing, then the problem does not lie with my sport.)
petermac33
petermac33
WA
6415 posts
WA, 6415 posts
29 Jan 2010 1:24am
9 boards, actually 8 now i just sold one.

8sails......3 i use....another 5 sails i never use.....4 of which going for $10 each.

5.0m, 5.9m, 6.5m,7.5m.

only 2 booms.

3 masts.

one fin only per board.

gps

i disagree, some of my most enjoyable days are in 5/12 knots on my mini formula board + 7.7m.

what i hate about having lots of gear is....... storeroom and bedroom is clogged and rigging too big sail/board for wind strength as happened lancelin and feeling like i am in a fight. happened wednesday too....wind 20+ knots, on 110litre board /5.8m combo getting hammered in gusts.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
29 Jan 2010 5:27am
pierrec45 said...

Personally, I find that people with more, fancier equipment spend a lot of time un-rigging and measuring and re-rigging and de-rigging. I think for many it's a means of depowering. (Here at least.)


Nah, that doesn't happen with me. I have a rough idea on what boards I can use and only throw those in the car.

Even though I own a wind meter I don't use it and have a pretty good idea/feel of what the wind strength is and rig accordingly. I tend to prefer to be overpowered than having to re-rig.

Just the other day someone made a comment that he hoped I was overpowered when I rigged my 7.5m while others were on 5.0m to 6.0m. I was fine and as the wind dropped slightly I still had plenty of power.

On the other hand, if it had dropped even further I could have quickly swapped to a bigger board or rigged a bigger sail. It's great to have heaps of gear!

pierrec45
pierrec45
NSW
2005 posts
NSW, 2005 posts
29 Jan 2010 9:33am
Huh formulanova, I wasn't aiming at you one bit with the reply !
Was just general thoughts.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
29 Jan 2010 6:40am
pierrec45 said...

Huh formulanova, I wasn't aiming at you one bit with the reply !
Was just general thoughts.



No worries. I have noticed you mention this before about where you sail, and didn't think you were talking about me. (none of my gear is fancy and most of it comes to me very second hand... it's like a lost boards home here)

I often have people comment about how much gear I own though, but there's very little of it that I don't have a use for.

It is surprising how some people need the exact sail size though. One year I was with a mate in WA sailing on 7.0 and 7.5m sails because that was all that was left at the hire place, and other guys were telling us that they were overpowered on 5m sails!

Their rigging must have been poor as my 70kg mate was quite comfortable and lighter than they were. Just a little bit more downhaul and outhaul, and the sails were good to go.


dieseagull
dieseagull
NSW
242 posts
NSW, 242 posts
29 Jan 2010 11:02am
I've currently got 1 board and 2 sails. Once I add a 2nd board to my repertoire I'll be be able to do 18-30kt wind, flat water and surf! Woooo!
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