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Norton
Norton
WA
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10 Oct 2007 11:50pm
Hey all,

I'm looking at getting into windsurfing. Is it really worth the money to get lessons or can I teach myself

I sail dinghy's so I understand wind etc.

Any opinions would be helpful

Cheers,

Norton
jord070
jord070
WA
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11 Oct 2007 12:04am
yep go get a few lessons just to get a feel for it, and see what kind of begginer equipment is out there. than also you can ask alot of questions, and get them explained as you need it to be
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
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11 Oct 2007 12:11am
We have had this discussion a few times and we think it depends on the individual.
Me personally taught myself and I. Sorry Im abit skitz dont mind him.
Anywho back to your question...
Its all to do with your skills and motivation and how determind you are to get out there and practice practice practice.
Greenroom went down to Pelican Point and hired the GO boards a few times then bought myself a $200 set up from Cashies and within 3 months we could sail back and forth, in the harness, in the footstraps and could water start. By this stage I was keen to get into some wave action which was the whole reason why Greenroom started windsurfing.
But saying this I have picked up bad habits and he knows he still has these bad habits and I still need to get rid of them which is why we always keep learning.
If you got the cash then it wouldnt hurt to get some lessons.
For me I was stubborn and wanted to teach Greenroom at our own speed. None of this uphauling and tacking crap.
Someone else Im sure will have other thoughts for you.
What ever you choose have fun and we will see you in the waves
FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
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11 Oct 2007 12:52am
I also taught myself, used to sail also, so the wind was not an issue, and got a lot of useful tips from other windsurfers... Depends what your into really, lessons wouldnt hurt, just thought I didnt need them. Spend a bit of time asking questions and what not on these forums before you buy anything, saves you from getting PoS gear or getting ripped off.
555
555
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555 555
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11 Oct 2007 5:56am
Best thing you can do is find someone local who has a few clues, get them a beer, and see if they can help you get started.

Lessons are good if you're not 100% sure that you want to learn to windsurf, or you have no idea at all how a windsurfer should work. Lessons are usually held on flat water in light wind on floating footpath sized boards.

There's a conflict brewing there if you're not clued up, because theres a reasonable risk that you'll have a lesson or two, and find that it is really easy to windsurf (on that gear). You rush out and buy some "good beginner gear" off ebay or somewhere that is 20 years old, rig it up incorrectly, and then get #@#$ed off because you can't windsurf at all on it.

Teaching yourself is not hard provided you get suitable gear, and know how to rig it properly (not as easy as it sounds!) The newer gear is lightyears easier to use than stuff from even 6 years ago. Whatever you get, have someone who knows show you how to rig it properly.

You can go it completely alone, just do lots of reading online, and be prepared to extend your patience. Whether you take lessons or not, I recommend getting hold of a copy of Jem Hall's 'Beginner to Winner' DVD.

Windsurfing is not hard - but it is challenging (that's what I like about it!) and there is always something new to learn.
monster
monster
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11 Oct 2007 9:39am
i agree 555 find another windsurfer in your area make your self known ,most windsurfers will gladly give you a hand and tell or show you what you need to learn but as a learner my self theres no substitute for time on the water its a steep learning curve , there will be days when it will go rong ,frustrating, but stick at it and in know time you be flying around
Norton
Norton
WA
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11 Oct 2007 11:54am
Thanks for that guys,

Probably should have mentioned that I have already bought some gear. The board is around 10', fairly old I think, but it doesn't feel too heavy. It isn't all that wide but I used to Skate (Skateboard), and occasionally go Skim boarding so my balance is pretty good.

Also I'm 15 so buying a guy a beer might be a little tricky.
Zed
Zed
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11 Oct 2007 11:57am
I'm going down to Mullaloo beach sat and sun giving lessons to my g/f so if youre around and live up north come down with your gear and I can give u a few tips.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
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11 Oct 2007 6:10pm
quote:
Originally posted by Zed

I'm going down to Mullaloo beach sat and sun giving lessons to my g/f so if youre around and live up north come down with your gear and I can give u a few tips.



Can we all come?

(what's your g/f look like?)
Zed
Zed
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11 Oct 2007 5:26pm
quote:
Originally posted by Sailhack

quote:
Originally posted by Zed

I'm going down to Mullaloo beach sat and sun giving lessons to my g/f so if youre around and live up north come down with your gear and I can give u a few tips.



Can we all come?

(what's your g/f look like?)



Come on down, it'll be a start o season party!

mineral1
mineral1
WA
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11 Oct 2007 5:35pm
Zed, you going at Surf club area or car park up North from there

Mineral
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
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11 Oct 2007 7:18pm
Hey Norton


There are very few qualified Windsurfing instructors around that have done the instructors course. I believe that there is only 4-5 in the state. Myself, Isaac DeVries, Annika, Chris plus a few others i know of possibly but cant think of.....

Im not sure what qualification the guys have at Wedge Island Surf School or Pelican point for that matter so cant comment on their standards.

When I did some work for Simon Cunningham when he was at 2nd Wind (and then Go Windsurfing), with the facilities they have and under their instruction or similar lessons are well worth it. It will save you a lot of time and energy. Then you head out and get a semi big board and a rig and go sailing.

If the school doesnt have the right equipment or it looks tatty or the instructor isnt qualified or knowledgeable its probably worth buying a nice small rig around 5m and a huge mother of a board and teach yourself. Rig back is up wind, rig forwards is down wind and look where you are going was all I was told..... I got a rig from Reg at Windsurfing Perth 7 years ago and a board that needs 2 people to lift it. I got there in the end but once i did my instructors course all the pieces fitted together and then my sailing really improved. The education is valuable.

So really the value of the lessons depends on the instructor and his teaching methodology.... If doesnt seem like the lessons are run well head to the shop and buy yourself a kit....

Many would differ from this opinion but having taught myself first and then become an instructor I can see both sides of the equation.

Also as an instructor I refuse to teach my gf or family. Gfs and family dont seem to listen....

Chad
thewillow
thewillow
WA
36 posts
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11 Oct 2007 7:40pm
Yeah well said silvec01 kinda like passing on bad habits to someone who should learn the basic technique first
puffin
puffin
235 posts
235 posts
11 Oct 2007 8:47pm
Lessons at the start, definately.

Windsurfing has a lot to offer, and lots of challenges, and there will be plenty of time to teach yourself things (if that's what you prefer) once you've learned the basics.

Myself, I find life's too short to not take lessons.

quote:
Originally posted by Norton

Hey all,

I'm looking at getting into windsurfing. Is it really worth the money to get lessons or can I teach myself

I sail dinghy's so I understand wind etc.

Any opinions would be helpful

Cheers,

Norton

payno
payno
WA
42 posts
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11 Oct 2007 9:47pm
i taught myself i started about this time last year and was goin arund 3 times a week on a kit i got out of the quokka for $250 and every session i could really say that id achievd somthing. i wouldnt go back and have lessons if i started again.
but i was a qualified instructor for windsurfin before i new how to windsurfer myself as the tl1(get into small boats) instructors course gives u the windsurfing instructors ticket aswell so yeah theres a few instructers in wa
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
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12 Oct 2007 12:26am
quote:
Originally posted by payno

i was a qualified instructor for windsurfin before i new how to windsurfer myself as the tl1(get into small boats) instructors course gives u the windsurfing instructors ticket aswell so yeah theres a few instructers in wa




With your dingy sailing experience Payno you would pick up windsurfing quicker than most and to top it off your only 17.

To clear things up, As i understand it, getting the TL1 does not give you the TL7 instructors certificate. However they might give you a quick windsurfing lesson. (If this were the case i got ripped off....)

From the website:
AYF Dinghy Sailing (TL1 or Level 3, Better Sailing) Proficiency Level,
AYF Wind Surfing (TL7, Level 3) Proficiency Award or relevant AYF Instructor or coaching levels, or AQF Outdoor Recreation Certificate III (Assistant Leader) or IV (Leader) with specialisations in relevant sailboarding units,

As I am aware only 2 courses of 6-7 people each ever did the "official" TL7 windsurfing instructors course and many of them were from the east coast... If the above is true why would someone travel all the way from the east to do a course that can be taught in a TL1???

If your claiming to be an instructor and your only in your first year... maybe we should be concerned? I dont think you can correctly master all the manouvres in your first year..... sorry.



Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
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12 Oct 2007 9:57am
i know of one over twenty yo who managed to do a vulcan and table top within 12 months of not windsurfing before, plus the other meat and potatos maneuvers like planing gybes & short board tacking, and I don't think he ever had any professional tuition from an instructor. He sails at manly/wello and was at Kirra with us on Saturday. Depending on the person I reckon anything is possibooo
P.C_simpson
P.C_simpson
WA
1492 posts
WA, 1492 posts
12 Oct 2007 12:48pm
hey Mate, i teach windsurfing over here on the east coast, they are definately worth the money but not just to give me cash,without someone to teach you properly you could be struggling for a few months to learn to tack and sail with the proper stance etc, where as most people i teach can do all this after a 2 hour lesson, and you also get to learn on the proper gear designed for the job, after the lesson the instructor can recomend the right gear for you to buy for your first board.. alot of people are put of the sport because of the wrong instructions, everyone has heard the story of someone they know hired a board when they where on a holiday somewhere tropical, sailed out a few hundred meters fell of and couldn't get back and resulted in being rescued. this wouldn't happen with a proper instructor teaching you, we teach you to turn around first. instruction is definately worth it, even for advanced riders..
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
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12 Oct 2007 2:54pm
Hey Haircut, who is this demigod you speak of?
Zed
Zed
WA
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Zed Zed
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12 Oct 2007 1:18pm
I'm RYA level 4. Is that the same qualification as they do in Oz?
bubs
bubs
SA
924 posts
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12 Oct 2007 4:46pm
quote:
Originally posted by Norton

Hey all,

I'm looking at getting into windsurfing. Is it really worth the money to get lessons or can I teach myself

I sail dinghy's so I understand wind etc.

Any opinions would be helpful

Cheers,

Norton



I think you would find if you went down to your local area there would be someone willing to give you a hand. Lessons can be quite expensive i think. If theres someone around you could even offer to pay them a bit just to help you out and what not. Do you have any gear yet? If you dont your going to need get all the money you can for that. If saying that you can get an old cheap rig for not much which will do you for a while and give you a taste for it. Then you can forke out for some good stuff.

Bubs
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
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12 Oct 2007 6:02pm
quote:
Originally posted by P.C_simpson

hey Mate, i teach windsurfing over here on the east coast, they are definately worth the money but not just to give me cash,without someone to teach you properly you could be struggling for a few months to learn to tack and sail with the proper stance etc, where as most people i teach can do all this after a 2 hour lesson, and you also get to learn on the proper gear designed for the job, after the lesson the instructor can recomend the right gear for you to buy for your first board.. alot of people are put of the sport because of the wrong instructions, everyone has heard the story of someone they know hired a board when they where on a holiday somewhere tropical, sailed out a few hundred meters fell of and couldn't get back and resulted in being rescued. this wouldn't happen with a proper instructor teaching you, we teach you to turn around first. instruction is definately worth it, even for advanced riders..




I taught myself to windsurf although it was difficult and frustrating i was'nt going to be beaten [}:)] I then spent a few seasons in W.A. doing nothing but windsurfing and scored a job teaching windsurfing (with no instructors ticket) The school had the latest wide boards and rigs witch for 90 percent of the people was great they where tacking and jybing in light winds in minutes . But for the other 10 percent they just don't listen or they just don't get it.No matter how much time you give them.After a few years i could spot them before they even hit the water.They are the ones with the stories.
I would recomend lessons from any windsurfer as long as they have a passion for the sport and are willing to pass on their experience.I have seen qualified windsurf instructors that can't jybe??? and i have seen good windsurfers that are qualified instructors that look down upon the newbies These guys just give the sport a bad name instead of instilling confidence in a newcomers abilitys...
So pick a centre with wide style beginners boards and you WILL spot the instructors with passion for the sport a mile away.Follow this advice and you will progress rapidly.
Good luck with it mate and enjoy and remember every windsurfer has gone through the learning curve so don't be put of when someone uses you for a jybe marker
Cheers
frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
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12 Oct 2007 6:58pm
Up to you wether you get lessons or someone to give you some pointers. Whatever you do DO NOT get some old junk gear and think that it will be good for learning. Beginners of any equipment oriented sport are best served by learning on good quality beginner specific equipment.
My mother taught me to drive 35 years ago and I taught myself to windsurf on an original windsurfer about the same time. Pretty good qualifications to know what not to do (unless you want to do things the hard way).
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
6491 posts
QLD, 6491 posts
12 Oct 2007 7:18pm
quote:
Originally posted by NotWal

Hey Haircut, who is this demigod you speak of?



andrew
aus301
aus301
QLD
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12 Oct 2007 8:18pm
Get a lesson.

If you go to any decent school they will have the gear that will get you going in no time at all. It's one of the advantages of our sport, with the right gear and good instruction you don't have to get frustrated and throw in the towel...cause you will be into it in no time.

BTW, I taught myself over 20yrs ago on a old Windtoys wave board (was 13 at the time). Buying that to learn on was stupidity, but it looked so much cooler than the gear others were learning on at the time :D
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
WA, 645 posts
12 Oct 2007 6:19pm
quote:
Originally posted by P.C_simpson


alot of people are put of the sport because of the wrong instructions,

this wouldn't happen with a proper instructor teaching you, we teach you to turn around first. instruction is definately worth it, even for advanced riders..



Well put...There is a lesson plan the 'most' windsurfing instructors are taught because it works. Wide boards good beginner sails and a weekend you will be amazed at the progression.. (well i was anyway)
dave.h
dave.h
WA
194 posts
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12 Oct 2007 10:17pm
lesons are deffinately worth it...
I self tought my self with the aid of a friend who sailed back in 1994, then got my girlfriend lessons from jez at 2nd wind and watched her acheieve in 4 hours what took me three months to do on old dodgy equiptment and no qualified guidence.
for a weekend of your time and not a lot of money, you will get a massive advancement in your sailing.
dave..
sonic
sonic
QLD
756 posts
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13 Oct 2007 6:10pm
If its safe and of no danger to you or anyone else and you know how to rig have a play around and see how you get on,most windsurfers will give you pointers(although it may confict in the begining) but time on the water is what counts.
All our trainers in queensland as good as they are can only give you basics and then you have to go it alone and fall in a few times.By the way i love the saying"if you do not fall off your not trying hard enough" which of course means your NOT GOING FOR IT!!!That applies to all levels.
Mr. No-one
Mr. No-one
WA
921 posts
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13 Oct 2007 5:05pm
I'm not a big one for taking lessons, probably because I don't like being told what to do ( which is also why I'm not married ).
Try teaching yourself for a few days, you can always get lessons if you get stuck. My 1st day I tried to beach start and kept falling off .2nd day tried an uphaul start and it worked, sheet in and moved forward. 3rd day, bought a harness, got hooked in, feet in the straps and planing, my best day ever. Wouldn't have felt the same if I hadn't of worked it out for myself
quote:
Don't give up until you've planed at least once, then you'll be hooked.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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13 Oct 2007 7:43pm
quote:
Originally posted by P.C_simpson

we teach you to turn around first. instruction is definately worth it, even for advanced riders..



i agree with instructions. it is definately worth it. it's even worth doing the certificate levels.

it will fast track you to jumping on a shortboard.

http://www.yachting.org.au/default.asp?Page=2757&MenuID=Training%2F4%2F8337%2CNational%5FTraining%5FSchemes%2F34%2F22428%2CNational%5FWindsurfing%5FScheme%2F1264%2F749


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