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Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
21 Jun 2006 8:18am
How long will a modern monofilm sail last if it is only used a couple of times a year, presuming it is stored away cool and dry. In other words, do monofilm sails have a shelf life?
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
21 Jun 2006 8:59am
A long time, provided the monofilm is of good quality. I kept the same sails for at least 7 years and they are both still being sailed occasionally with no holes. These sails vx2 & vx3 were sailed quite a bit, minimum probably 10 times a year up to 50 times a year and the vx3 is still in very good condition. I didnt treat them especially carefully apart from a once a year wash and spray with mr sheen/silicon oil which keeps the monofilm supple.

I would say the sail will last longer than the period at which it becomes well and truely obsolete. There are many NP mkIV's still around, their monofilm is not quite as good imo as the vx line but that is 12 years for a starting point. That is for a race sail also which is lightly built, durability wasnt in the brief.
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
21 Jun 2006 7:14am
Keep out of sun as much as is possible, UV is a killer of monofilm, and avoid crinkling mono-film, roll and unroll carefully, and watch out for those windgusts when rolling and unrolling, another killer of mono-film
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
21 Jun 2006 9:30am
mkseven, I've never heard of silicon treatment of monofilm. Does everyone/anyone else do this? I would have been afraid of getting solvents or other chemicals on it.

To put this in perspective, I'm thinking of getting a smaller sail for those epic Botany Bay southerlies. (Last weeks was a beauty!!!) I know I'd only use it a couple of times a year, but I'm happy with that so long as it lasts a number of years. I figure if it lasts 10 years, then that's good enough for me.

Thanks,
Harrow.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
21 Jun 2006 10:39am
Ive got a Gaastra 6.2 Grind that is the first of the "new" Gaastra's from 2000.
Its had a hard life, waves, flat water, blasting, shorebreak etc. Its always been rinsed and stored dry and its still in great nic.
Been left on the beach at Botany, Long Reef etc in the sun and as long as you care for them and they are good quality in the first place you should get many years out of them.
Ive coated my race sails with that aerospace spray and it cleans them up a ripper. Good protection from UV as well. WSS have got it in stock.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
21 Jun 2006 9:10am
Mono file will break down with uv lightand being rigged and left in the sun ,again there are different types and qualities.
You have not mentioned where you are storing it.ie atic,car lounge room ,kids play area. As you would be aware watch out for your DOG and kids and your misses shoping being placed on it.One nasty crease and your going to want to sell the Dog.,trade your misses in and get take away.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
21 Jun 2006 1:38pm
I dont recommend alot of "automotive use" silicon oils as the solvents they use in them are very harsh. For me it's just been mr sheen but next time I will use the 303 aerospace protectant- which barry spanier and co. reckon is pretty good stuff.

Silicon oil is used on a lot of different plastics to keep them from becoming brittle etc, for example my lawn mower salesman suggested I use it every so often on the catcher. I dont really see how monofilm is any different (i've been treating my sails long before I bought the mower).

If I was going to buy a tiny sail, I would try to buy last years model etc that way it dosent hurt your pocket too much.

If you are pedantic about storage get some poly pipe or corrugated tube which you can put end caps on and store in these- this can also be used in the car to prevent sail crushing. Expensive but stops the creases and vermin making a new home in your sail.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
21 Jun 2006 1:58pm
I think my sails get a nice coating of Aerospace each time I use them. Well, they at least get a nice coating of aeronautical jet fuel anyway - they always feel greasy after sailing off Sydney Airport.

My sails get looked after pretty well. I always rinse them well with fresh water (that's one way to water the lawn without copping a $300 fine), and then lay them out to dry inside the house in air-conditioned comfort, before hanging them vertically in their well vented sailbags in my bedroom.

My board gets treated even better. The day I bought my Tabou Rocket home, my wife came to bed only to find that her side of the bed was already occupied - with the Tabou nicely tucked in! When she asked where did I expect to her to sleep, I simply motioned toward the board bag crumpled up on the floor, explaining that the padding and silver coating would ensure she remained comfortable and warm. I even offered to zip her up.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
21 Jun 2006 2:57pm
Harrow you have too much time on your hands- sail it, roll it up, throw it in there car where nothing squashes it and leave it at that.

I was about to say i'm guessing you dont have a wife and you are in fact married to your board... but you do. My wife wont allow sails in the house- or boards. In fact they arent allowed outside either, I get daily whinging about the 2 boards i am repairing on the patio. No, in my house my windsurfing gear is confined to my boat (shed is barely larger than a wardrobe)- that way it is out of site from my wife and she is happy.

In fact if new boards werent so damn expensive i'd probably trade my wife in on one
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
21 Jun 2006 3:14pm
quote:
In fact if new boards werent so damn expensive i'd probably trade my wife in on one


Is that because the changeover figure is still too high?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14967 posts
QLD, 14967 posts
21 Jun 2006 6:19pm
i'm a big fan of 303 as well. makes sails look new again... and adds a coating of sunscreen....

i have gotten some long use out of sails in the past.

washing your gear in fresh water is a biggy, otherwise the mono scratched and goes dull.
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
21 Jun 2006 8:27pm
The only creases I get in my mono sails is when getting the mast out of the luff pocket . Any tricks to avoid this ?
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14967 posts
QLD, 14967 posts
21 Jun 2006 9:15pm
spray your mast with sailkote every 4 sessions.

will do the job.

a bit expensive though..
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
22 Jun 2006 5:05am
Haggar just tie a loop of thin rope somewhere around the headcap then just link it onto a pole/starpicket/bollard/peg and pull the mast straight out. You can tuck the rope away, neat tidy and no wrinkles.
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