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raf1200
raf1200
QLD
41 posts
QLD, 41 posts
9 Oct 2010 2:08pm
So I'm out for the second time this year yesterday. Got in early to 'warm up' and wait for the decent winds. 2 hours later I get back to shore. I've got a broken line, a nearly broken body and feeling like I should've commited Seppuka instead of hitting the water.

One problem is my inexperience. I live an hour from the water but as a kiddie growing up in Fiji I learnt the basics. I can water start (sometimes) and tack. Not yet tried to gybe.

Second problem is my equipment. I know it's not the latest gear but it is slowly improving. I've got a 5.8 sail and a nice carbon 2 piece mast. 2 seasons ago I was taking out a 1980's bambora board until one day I came back in at Manly in 25 knot winds and a couple of the veterans laughed at me (in a good way) and then regaled me with stories of there adventures decades earlier on the same board. I upgraded to a hifly maxx widestyle 305 (pre 04 model probably very pre!) and remember thinking wow, now I'm flying!

So before I make this into a novel, here are my problems. Well at least all the ones I can see for myself!

I've set up the lines at 'normal' lengths but still seem to be straining my front arm a lot.

I'm leaning back and the board starts to plane and next thing I shoot downwind. So I move my front foot forward a bit and lose all that speed.

Lastly, why is it so hard to put my feet in the straps. My back foot is in the right area but my front foot is always too far forward. As soon as I pull that foot back I'm heading off course again.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. I'm sick of feeling like a cat in a washing machine

Leman
Leman
VIC
672 posts
VIC, 672 posts
9 Oct 2010 4:21pm
There is only so much I can tell without actually seeing you in action, but I have a feeling when you put your front foot forward you're taking much needed pressure out of you harness, which will completely depower your rig. So you're trying to balance the weight between your arms by stepping forwards, whereas if you load up the harness with your weight, the mast foot will become a virtual third leg. This means that with your feet back in the straps, weight fully loaded in harness, your centre of gravity moves in front of your front foot giving you a balanced feeling, with no depowering of the sail.

Also when going far downwind you tend to feel you are going to be flipped over the front. As you turn more across or upwind having you feet in the straps will feel more balanced

Simply put, load that harness and keep it loaded.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
NSW, 8349 posts
9 Oct 2010 4:26pm
If your front arm is straining a lot it sounds like you need to move the front line forward a bit until the harness can take up the 'pull' and it feels more even.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
9 Oct 2010 5:16pm

flipper4444
flipper4444
VIC
1214 posts
VIC, 1214 posts
9 Oct 2010 8:36pm
Whos a noob? did you call me a noob leman???
terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
9 Oct 2010 5:56pm
First, you say you adjusted the harness line length. I have found that some adjustable harness lines stretch, so although you set them to a good length, they stretch under load and you have to take more load on your hands. Once you know the right length of lines for you, fixed harness lines are better.

If you get more pull on either hand, as said before, move the harness line toward that hand.

If your sail is set up badly and the wind is up and down, the centre of pull from the sail will move back in stronger wind, so you need to have a mast that suits the sail and rig the sail right.


When you are sailing a bit downwind and planing, you are in a good position to get into the straps and you should be able to sail with your feet just in front of the straps. It is important to be able to put enough force acting downward on the mastfoot, as that allows you to keep the board as flat on the water while you put your front foot into the strap. For learning, its best to have the straps in their most forward and inboard positions.

There's a lot to learn and it can get quite technical. The quickest solution might be to get an experienced sailor of your height and weight to set it up for you, although you would still maybe need different harness line lengths and boom height.
raf1200
raf1200
QLD
41 posts
QLD, 41 posts
10 Oct 2010 1:10pm
Thanks everyone.

Nebbian I watched that clip and according to it, sboardcrazy is right. Both lines need to move forward by about an inch or two. So thanks guys.

So with that part hopefully sorted I can trust my harness a bit more and get the feeling that your talking about Leman. Definitely never been able to take weight off the mast leg so will work on it.

I think I asked too many questions at once. I will head back out after I replace my straps (broke one after a particularly nasty cartwheel) and move them forward. Also going to get bigger foot straps and move them forward and in like Terminal suggested.

Thanks guys. Good wind on Tuesday so will have feedback after that!

Out of curiousity I'm wondering how many litres my board would be roughly. I'm guessing about 185 given that it's 305 long and 70 across. I'm naturally trying to blame my equipment for some of my failings and with me being 85 kilos and still uphauling sometimes could I afford to get a smaller lighter board so I to can make that slap slap noise like every other bugger out there going faster than me?
terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
10 Oct 2010 10:55pm
The MAXX is 164 litres.

Once you get in the front strap, make sure you keep planing first, then turn upwind a bit, like Leman said. If the wind is strong and the water choppy, if you then sheet the sail in a bit (oversheet it to kill the power a bit), it will make it easier to put your rear foot in the strap.
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