RS Slalom 11 rigging problem

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Brick
Brick
SA
66 posts
SA, 66 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:48pm
Just took delivery of this sail ,a 7.2m and had a problem rigging it the way the company says. I've got a 2008 5.8 m RS Racing sail as well and have had no problems rigging that according to the NP instructions .
But this 7.2 which has the same rigging instructions would not let me get the bottom cam on the mast at all ,and even when releasing the batten adjuster lock there was no way it would go on .I derigged and started again but this time I fead the mast thru the bottom cam and not the others and finished rigging without a hitch.........has anyone else noticed this anomaly ?
lango
lango
14 posts
14 posts
28 Feb 2008 9:31pm
Hi Brick,

Please tell us how you tried to rig the sail, the procedure you used.

In my experience they are an easy rigging sail if you do everything right.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
28 Feb 2008 9:46pm
lango said...

>>>>

In my experience they are an easy rigging sail if you do everything right.



Surely "according to instructions" is the "right" way of rigging it.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
28 Feb 2008 9:56pm
Brick said...

Just took delivery of this sail ,a 7.2m and had a problem rigging it the way the company says. I've got a 2008 5.8 m RS Racing sail as well and have had no problems rigging that according to the NP instructions .
But this 7.2 which has the same rigging instructions would not let me get the bottom cam on the mast at all ,and even when releasing the batten adjuster lock there was no way it would go on .I derigged and started again but this time I fead the mast thru the bottom cam and not the others and finished rigging without a hitch.........has anyone else noticed this anomaly ?


Sounds weird, the video on rigging shows how simple it is.(when I last watched it)
Take it back to shop and let them have a run at it. It may be a fanumacturing fault.
jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:07pm
sometimes if you pop the cams starting from below rather from the top gets a bit too tight..am sure you release the downhaul completely with the outhaul secured halfway or near specs
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:12pm
Down haul around 3/4's
Outhaul as much as you can
Release the downhaul
Pop the cams on by pushing down on the batton at the seam on the inside of the luff pocket and pushing in from below the cam, Starting from the botom

Pull the downhaul back on and finish of outhaul
jp747
jp747
1553 posts
1553 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:19pm
elmo said...

Down haul around 3/4's
Outhaul as much as you can
Release the downhaul
Pop the cams on by pushing down on the batton at the seam on the inside of the luff pocket and pushing in from below the cam, Starting from the botom

Pull the downhaul back on and finish of outhaul


hi elmo, correction i think the instructions is to pop starting from the top
Kimba
Kimba
SA
459 posts
SA, 459 posts
28 Feb 2008 11:50pm
Hi Steve,
As you know i have a 7.8 RSR, I find the best way is to outhaul as close to the final setting as poss(after the initial downhaul) and release the downhaul until it is almost slack. The cams go on top to bottom and I push gently at the base of the cam inside to pocket while slipping the cam onto the mast. I'll check it out next time we catch up on the water.
Cheers
Tim
lango
lango
14 posts
14 posts
28 Feb 2008 10:36pm
thanks decrepid for stating the bleeding obvious, other comments prove the writers have never rigged the sail. elmo didn't have a fricken clue how to rig the sail

brick, when you learn how to rig the sail tell the rest of theses idiots, thanks
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
28 Feb 2008 11:37pm
lango said...

thanks decrepid for stating the bleeding obvious, other comments prove the writers have never rigged the sail. elmo didn't have a fricken clue how to rig the sail


Hmmmm... I've watched Elmo rig his sail many times... he's explained what he's doing as he does it... He seems to have one or two clues to rub together.

No wind at your place too, Lango?
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
29 Feb 2008 12:14am
lango said...

thanks decrepid for stating the bleeding obvious, >>>




Well from your post it didn't seem that it was all that obvious to you.

Brick said he rigged it according to instructions, you then implied he was doing it wrong.

Seeing how it's a NP that wouldn't surprise me, I was wondering if you had a better way than the official instructions.
Just giving you the opportunity to say so.
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
29 Feb 2008 12:17am
Lango

That was the method which Niel Pryde posted for RS4's which I rig, unfortunately it's no longer on their web page to justify my insanity

The Vid method for RS6's as below

http://rs6.neilpryde.com/content/view/53/70/

Bit of difference to the method I use, but I can generally rig my sails not much slower than I can rig a wave sail without busting a hump.

If you want to advise an easier method rather than having a spray, I'm happy to listen learn and try.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
29 Feb 2008 12:25am
lango said...

thanks decrepid for stating the bleeding obvious, other comments prove the writers have never rigged the sail. elmo didn't have a fricken clue how to rig the sail

brick, when you learn how to rig the sail tell the rest of theses idiots, thanks


Must be a from the dark side, going orff like this[}:)] That's how some slam, slam, slam, each other in that forum

ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
29 Feb 2008 9:58am
I have the 6.7 RSS Mk II.
Slide the mast up the sleeve on TOP of the cams/battens.
When mast wont slide anymore, stop pushing.
Put one hand in boom cutout and with other hand reach up as far as possible and gently drag the luff sleeve down the mast until mast tip is seated in head of sail.
Pull excess down mast by using the handle on the foot of luff.
Make sure female mast cap is inserted all the way in male sail tip
Add 3/4 downhaul or until mast is showing in the boom cutout.
Attach boom and outhaul until nearly at specs.
Release downhaul.
Starting at top cam you can either put one hand on sleeve where wide luff meets body of sail and push down while other hand cups the cam and helps push up.
Cam should pop on very easy.
Or, put hand inside luff sleeve and push down on end of cam while pushing up with other hand on underside of cam.
Make sure all cams are seated square on mast.
Apply downhaul to your satisfaction and adjust outhaul to conditions.
Using an adjustable outhaul is definitely the go for these sails.
Like others said they are very easy and quick sails to rig and the camber rotation is the best Ive ever seen.
Also remember that with a new sail they need to "stretch" for the first hour or so on water or a couple of sails.
Then adjust batten tension to smooth out wrinkles only.
Too much tension and you will do damage.
Sorry if this is long winded but I hope it helps.
Cheers
tonyd
tonyd
QLD
400 posts
QLD, 400 posts
29 Feb 2008 9:15am
Ask Kevin. neilprydemaui forum.
All sizes rig differently.Let the d/h right off with the o/h on max.Will be tight
the first few times.
AUS-057
AUS-057
QLD
466 posts
QLD, 466 posts
29 Feb 2008 9:25am
Ka43,

I have the RS:Slalom 6.7 MKI as well. The rigging instructions are exactly as you have said for the MKII. The Neil Pryde website videos have good instruction.

Cheers
David
ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
29 Feb 2008 11:49am
Yeah David,
your right there, just follow the instructions and tune to personal preference.
Sam at WSS gave me some small tips as well as Im new to NP stuff.
The sails do tend to stretch into themselves quite nicely after a few goes.
Sometimes you can also put TOO much outhaul on. Dont force anything is the main thing.
Cheers
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4170 posts
WA, 4170 posts
29 Feb 2008 10:01am
The instructions on the luff of my RS slalom say "outhaul loosely" and once you find the optimum looseness the cams are very easy to pop on.

The NP video shows the bloke adjusting batten tension with no mast in the sail! That's a bit odd, as the batten tension takes up on the mast. But the over centre batten latches do make it easy to judge batten tension, your judgement is not affected by grit or salt as with screws and threads. I'm not sure about using wrinkles as a guide, there always seems to be a tighter panel on one side of each batten, manufacturing tolerance, you'd need an enormous amount of tension to stretch it enough to take out the wrinkles on the looser side.
NSW, 1613 posts
29 Feb 2008 12:48pm
Right on with the outhaul Larko.

That bottom cam is always the hardest and is the one where doing it properly matters the most.

Outhaul should be a around 5-10ish cm from where you'd sail with it, if you over outhaul the sail at this point it's hard to create the space needed in the luff pocket to get the cam on. At this point let the downhaul off fully. If the bottom cam is still being stubborn then let off a bit more downhaul but it should go on easily if things are right. Another little trick with the foot cam is put your hand inside the zip and push directly on the cam rather than the luffpocket. I do this last one at times with the 10.7 and 11.6 and it means you don't have to release the downhaul quite as far.

Hope this helps.

Sam.
ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
29 Feb 2008 4:01pm
Just to add on from what Sam said in his last bit of advice.
I also do this with the cam/cams on the RS Racing 7.8 I have as well.
So it seems to work on both Neil Pryde race/slalom models.
Its all good!
Goo Screw
Goo Screw
VIC
269 posts
VIC, 269 posts
29 Feb 2008 8:33pm
I usually do the bottom cam last and just back the out hall off if its stubborn.
Brick
Brick
SA
66 posts
SA, 66 posts
29 Feb 2008 10:39pm
Thanks to all for the input. As I said I rigged it the same way as my 5.8 RS Racing as the instructions on the sail and the book say.
Put the mast in on top of the cams etc ,downhauled it but not to max, so the mast moves toward the pocket as they say , then outhaul 5cm approx ,ease of the downhaul ,the cam pockets are open of course and at this stage the top two cams can be put on the mast easily but that bottom one is under mast and pushing against the luff pocket . To force the cam when it is like that would tear the luff fabric ,at first I thought that perhaps the cam was not seated correctly down on the batten pocket but it was'nt and was the same as the others .To look at it appears as though the cam is too long but it must be OK as when I got it rigged by passing the mast thru the cam first it was looking normal and the sail rotated although a little stiff as it was dry and needs to be stretched in a bit I guess. By the way I popped the cams from the top down as they say and the cam tensioners are on minimum till I stretch it in. I wonder if it just this size that has the problem as I tried rigging many times with slightly different setting each time to no avail till I finally cheated by putting the mast thru the bottom cam first. Again thanks for the help and Thanks Tim I'll try to get out this weekend on it.
keef
keef
NSW
2016 posts
NSW, 2016 posts
2 Mar 2008 2:33pm
are you rigging it on a pride mast
Brick
Brick
SA
66 posts
SA, 66 posts
2 Mar 2008 6:38pm
Yes KEEF but it is not an x6 but a freeride model of about the same rating.
The Craw
The Craw
WA
229 posts
WA, 229 posts
2 Mar 2008 9:42pm
hi brick,i have a 7.2 rs slalom mk11 rigs fine on a x6 and x9 as per rigging instructions.your earlier model freeride mast(pre x series i guess) will be a different diameter and bend curve (slightly) and maybe/most likely is where your problem is.if unsure go to your pryde dealer and try a x6 mast.hope this helps

regards
glen
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