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laurie
laurie
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27 May 2008 7:22pm


In another topic, and via PM's folks have suggested that they personally feel a loss of community due to some antagonists.

This is unsettling to hear as that is not the spirit of this forum, and we all work hard for this to be a great place free of stress, big on enjoyment.

Let's get some solutions happening, scribble them here, name your nemesis, or PM me on what YOU would do to address any grievences you have.

Put forward suggestions on who you think would be good moderator(s)?

We can push past the finish post if we all pull together as team! This forums destiny is in our hands! We can kick another goal - we can push through the pack - it's not over till the siren rings! Our destiny is limited only by our imagination!!*

..Lozza

* Individual experience may vary
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
27 May 2008 6:01pm
Nice one Loz

I got an idea... It's fun

What about a sin bin

Users that get consecutive negative (red thumbs) feedback in a topic, get automatically blocked from that forum or topic and blocked from starting new topics for a given period of time
knot board
knot board
QLD
1241 posts
QLD, 1241 posts
27 May 2008 8:02pm
My Mama always told me, son if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say anything at all.

Good rule that.
TonyC
TonyC
WA
410 posts
WA, 410 posts
27 May 2008 6:33pm
Pugwash said...

Nice one Loz

I got an idea... It's fun

What about a sin bin

Users that get consecutive negative (red thumbs) feedback in a topic, get automatically blocked from that forum or topic and blocked from starting new topics for a given period of time


[}:)]
Red5
Red5
VIC
51 posts
VIC, 51 posts
27 May 2008 8:43pm
I would like to offer my services as moderator.

Once I am in charge there will be some changes for the better, to start with I will enforce stricter adherence to the current posting guidlines:

1. Be good to others. (many people are not nice to me, things will be different under my command)
2. Keep it fun. (a lot of posts are actually very boring and not much fun at all, this needs to change)
3. Keep it clean - no swearing, harrasement etc. (I get a lot of harrasement and swearing directed at me, this will change once I am in charge and there will be no more writing things like 'f%*ker' etc..allowed)
4. Keep it fun. (all posts I consider boring will be removed, the forum will be a bit quiet for a while once I take over)
5. Keep it legal! I will modify this to semi-legal, so people can adhere to guidelines 2,4 & 6 more freely.
6. Keep it fun. (boring posters will not allowed)
7. No Advertising. (no more multiple personality complex from vendors allowed)

I think I will bring about some very positive changes to this forum so vote for Red5.

OceanBlue64
OceanBlue64
VIC
980 posts
VIC, 980 posts
27 May 2008 8:45pm
Running on the concept of the thumbs down... what about if a post that gets a certain number of thumbs down it automatically gets removed. That way we all have a say in what stays and goes, not just a select few moderators. This could easily be scripted into the existing forum.
Old Salty
Old Salty
VIC
1271 posts
VIC, 1271 posts
27 May 2008 8:54pm
I do not know the situation that you are refering to however I think(without peeeeeeiiiiing in Laurie's pocket too much) the Forum is great. As big people(I hope we all are) there are lots of things that happen in life and we take it on the chin and move on. Some people cannot and leave and new people come on with fresh ideas and new slants on things. No forum can be all things to all people and people will get upset in the process of chat like in most thingsin life.

I have not met a bad attitude windsurfer yet - great bunch of people to get along with but if there are any nasty boyz out there lets KEEL HAUL them.[}:)]
Richiefish
Richiefish
QLD
5612 posts
QLD, 5612 posts
27 May 2008 8:55pm
I dont like censorship but agree it is required when young kids are watching. Wiping people because you dont like them or what they have said would make things pretty dull around here....
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23685 posts
WA, 23685 posts
27 May 2008 7:29pm
I am all for some degree of moderation so as to get rid of the blatant trolling that has become more prevalent here. On the other hand, I am often very opiniated and upset people. I like to think I do not troll however.
I don't frequent the kite forum (so maybe we are as bad as them) but it seems more and more common for kiters and some others to come into the WS forum and post a derogatory remark just to sh!tstir us. EG: RED5's latest called "soon" and User's constant trolling in a thread a couple of weeks ago. Sorry for singling them out, but it is only because they are recent.... give me a while to search and I'm sure I'd find a few more!

Likewise when we had Brucie here, with obviously two different usernames being used by the same bloke in the same thread to disagree with himself and provoke argument not productive discussion

90% of the people here keep it fun, friendly and helpful to newbies but there does seem to be an increasing element of idiots thinking that lots of replies to their posts equates to popularity.
Moderators would assist greatly in this regard.

PS: RED5 before you get upset, if you meant "hey, olympic windsurfing appears not as good as formula or slalom or freestyle, what do you guys think" then that is what you should have posted, but to me it appears a blatant troll
wormy
wormy
QLD
679 posts
QLD, 679 posts
27 May 2008 9:32pm
Can't please all the people all the time, but the more you try please the wingers the more you p^ss off everybody else who was happy with things the way they were.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
27 May 2008 7:35pm
laurie said...



In another topic, and via PM's folks have suggested that they personally feel a loss of community due to some antagonists.

This is unsettling to hear as that is not the spirit of this forum, and we all work hard for this to be a great place free of stress, big on enjoyment.

Let's get some solutions happening, scribble them here, name your nemesis, or PM me on what YOU would do to address any grievences you have.

Put forward suggestions on who you think would be good moderator(s)?

We can push past the finish post if we all pull together as team! This forums destiny is in our hands! We can kick another goal - we can push through the pack - it's not over till the siren rings! Our destiny is limited only by our imagination!!*

..Lozza

* Individual experience may vary


Although I was one who was keen for each state to have its own forum I think we lost a bit by doing so. We all followed Bubs progress with enthusiasm, but hardly see much of him any more as he sticks to the SA forum and so on.
Hope the delegation of independent forums to the level it is, has not done the site in. Think its loosing its broader community approach we had. Lozza, dont know how yo slow it up
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
27 May 2008 10:05pm
This is what I just posted on the "Do you want a freestyle forum?" thread.

First time I came here there was.
Windsufing - General
Windsufing - Gear Reviews
Windsufing - Buy & Sell

I STILL like it now, but liked it much better then.


There is a lot to be said for keeping things simple.

Hats of to you Laurie for continually improving the site - but it seems to have grown a little out of control.

BTW I've never felt antaogonised (you can start now) by anyone, and if there was a thread I felt was getting out of Control (eg: the rag doll incident) - I just stop reading that thread.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
27 May 2008 8:40pm
No censorship... I agree... This crossed my mind when I posted that idea...

If on consecutive posts, a user receives multiple negative feedback (say 6 negatives on each of 3 consecutive posts) that user is then blocked from that topic and starting new topics in that particular forum. The posts would remain... This would be specifically aimed at users obsessed with trolling...

Someone thinking of taking up windsurfing (or kite boarding) could easily be put off by some of the things written on these forums. There are some who have been around a while who have been put off by the current flavour of this forum.

If a user's only motive is to upset, offend, aggravate others... Why not have some means of dealing with this... Here's some simple options: flame on, moderators, user decides system...
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
27 May 2008 9:19pm
Tissue anyone?
firiebob
firiebob
WA
3182 posts
WA, 3182 posts
27 May 2008 9:22pm
mineral1 said...

laurie said...



In another topic, and via PM's folks have suggested that they personally feel a loss of community due to some antagonists.

This is unsettling to hear as that is not the spirit of this forum, and we all work hard for this to be a great place free of stress, big on enjoyment.

Let's get some solutions happening, scribble them here, name your nemesis, or PM me on what YOU would do to address any grievences you have.

Put forward suggestions on who you think would be good moderator(s)?

We can push past the finish post if we all pull together as team! This forums destiny is in our hands! We can kick another goal - we can push through the pack - it's not over till the siren rings! Our destiny is limited only by our imagination!!*

..Lozza

* Individual experience may vary


Although I was one who was keen for each state to have its own forum I think we lost a bit by doing so. We all followed Bubs progress with enthusiasm, but hardly see much of him any more as he sticks to the SA forum and so on.
Hope the delegation of independent forums to the level it is, has not done the site in. Think its loosing its broader community approach we had. Lozza, dont know how yo slow it up


Well there you go, I was wondering where Bubs had gone and how how he was. Had a look in the South Aus forum and there he is
Had a look around the other states forums and saw a few others who have been quiet in the General Windsurf Forum. If it was up to me Lozza, I'd flick the state forums, but then I'm a FNQ orphan
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
27 May 2008 9:32pm
Greenroom said...

Tissue anyone?


actiomax
actiomax
NSW
1576 posts
NSW, 1576 posts
27 May 2008 11:32pm
worst thread
Wineman
Wineman
NSW
1412 posts
NSW, 1412 posts
27 May 2008 11:55pm
Soooo.....

How are ya, Bubs.....let us know

Not gonna get caught in the Crow-Eaters forum!
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
28 May 2008 1:21am
e.g. if you go to a supermarket and some tosser noticed what food choices you had and they said loudly "hey everyone this wackers eating gay soggy spooge"

your immediate response is to avoid conflict and walk away.

forums need appropriate moderation to retain normal peoples interest.

abuse should be axed like graffiti.

effective moderaters breed healthy forums.

2c
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
WA, 3580 posts
28 May 2008 12:29am
greenleader said...

said loudly "hey everyone this wackers eating gay soggy spooge"

your immediate response is to avoid conflict and walk away.


speak for yourself...

but to stay on topic...

Laurie,

Perhaps it would make sense to give some guys you know administrator rights allowing them to delete threats/ posts if necessary.

While I am generally for open discussion I do have to say that some of the conversations here have gotten so out of hand it sometimes feels like a time waster to read certain threads.


poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
28 May 2008 12:51am
Moderation is best done by the community itself by reporting stuff.
Perhaps the way to report stuff is what needs improving/promoting.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
28 May 2008 9:34am
The sub forums for each state are good as far as organising where to sail but I hope it doesn't get too fragmented: wave/longboard/formula/beginner/professionals/women/high wind/young/old/upwind/downwind/Mistral/JP/Blue sails/Red sails etc.

I'm still thinking sub-threads/sub-comments might alleviate some of the pain some people seem to feel as you can just skip all the replies and banter for said comment. Of course this is easier said than done for you Laurie.

I mean sub-threads ala the 'Replies' on say digg.com:
http://digg.com/odd_stuff/Holy_Mother_of_God_PIC_2

You'll see there also after a certain number of 'thumbs down' the comment is hidden (but can still be viewed).

Sorry Laurie, all I've really suggested is more work for you
bigmark100
bigmark100
NSW
584 posts
NSW, 584 posts
28 May 2008 10:04am
The forum is great as it is. Yes - there are twa.ts on here that will overstep the mark - but mostly its in good fun. And remember this forum covers a wide age group - ie from teenages to grandpa's... ... all of us are going to have different levels of whats acceptable and whats not - and its up to us to know what to read and what to ignore. Nothing should be taken personally on the internet or on forums. If you do take e-things personally - Get off the internet now... you;re headed down a road of misery.

Moderation or censorship will spoil this forum. Laurie does a good job as it is ... and it should stay as is.

Laurie - dont listen to a minority of people, if they cant hack it on the forum then they should go elsewhere. We already have enough of this bull.sh.it in real life.



laff77
laff77
NSW
273 posts
NSW, 273 posts
28 May 2008 10:34am
There's a pretty simple way to deal with Trolls. Just ignore them, if you don't fan the fire, it ain't gonna burn very well.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
28 May 2008 9:02am
Looks like leave it as is

There is already a way to report stuff...
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
28 May 2008 9:06am
Not really sure it's possible to come up with the perfect solution to suit everyone, so probably not worth trying.

I think the trolling and negativity on here has probably prompted people to get more tribal, and request niche forums with smaller communities. Therefore it's partly how forums evolve, some of the biggest forums worldwide have lot's of small niche groups.

What to do about trolls, and the usual suspects (we know who you are!!), the best policy is either to ignore because what they are seeking to do is get a reaction/attention so when they log on to have a look and no-one has reponded to them, this will be a lack of reinforecment for their pathology and they will look for their next fix elsewhere, or fade away even if temporarily which you also see here.

Banning them is another option, does that stop them rejoining under another name such has been done here, with one of the usual suspects. Maybe at least you rob them of a favoured identity, but I would suggest banning occur only when some severe boundary has been crossed., such as harrassment and threats, unless a specific code of conduct specifies when banning would occur.

I think the major problem with this forum is it's trolls and the insidious negative behaviour (I think these issues are predominantly a personality problem) of the usual suspects. The major positive about the forum is that it has become our meeting place and it is big enough to be found by newbies, and I don't think we should ever lose this. The forum is evolving, I think trolls and insidious negativity are part of life, and we must choose a way to deal with what happens everywhere. Laurie is a good listener, so he tries to meet peoples needs, and so far I think he's got it as good as is possible. We all need to take some responsibility to make this what we want it to be, and develop a culture/code of conduct to deal with the problems. Ignoring is the obvious, but many just don't seem to be able to do this simple task and want to get in their and fight? Therefore people will seek respite or refuge in smaller safe communities hence the niche subgroups in the forums.

To ignore the bad and negative behaviour here is not Laurie's job, that is our job it's also very powerful, however, I don't think the majority of us can do this including me, I know I have responded at times and though why did I do that, I just fed the troll, no matter how brilliant my argument or retort was trolls just wanna be fed, starve them.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2879 posts
SA, 2879 posts
28 May 2008 10:51am
I love this forum,

I love the SA section as well, some good things happening in SA as far as windsurfing goes, this SA section gives us a notice board for coming events, GPS, SLalom, course racing, etc......

waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
28 May 2008 9:23am
laurie said...

Put forward suggestions on who you think would be good moderator(s)?



How much is the pay ?

The title of this thread is wack....
lol.
I guess the 'moral' of the story is don't screw with something that ain't broke.
And if you want the 'morale' to improve....
fully encourage a community.....
bring back that body of folks that all shared something in common.



Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
28 May 2008 9:36am
The feedback sin bin, not very popular anyway, will not work. It will give users motivated by (negative) feedback a target or goal
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
28 May 2008 10:41am
I find i'm reading just as many topics now as I used to with the old system. It's just that I can read the stuff I'm interested in (There are a lot more users and posts now, I just don't have time to read everything (like I used to ).

It's been good, the WS General forum has been full of general windsurfing stuff. No more "How good was Perth yesterday?" and "Who's going to the train?" (cos it's going in the state forums). That's the stuff that alienates people if it's in the General section.
Leech
Leech
WA
1933 posts
WA, 1933 posts
28 May 2008 10:46am
My vote for moderators:

- Poor rellie
4843 post's gotta count towards something! And we all know he's a top bloke

- Grumplestiltskin
Cos he's always lurking

- Hardie
He knows his stuff on community building. Get him busy on the moderating and he won't have time to write 3 page essays in every post (that I can't be bothered reading )
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