Sail Size Gaps?

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PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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25 Apr 2012 7:07pm
I've got a 5.2 Ezzy (more a wave kind of sail) and a 6.6 Loft 02 (a Freeride style), so is it worth tracking down a say a 5.8 to fill the gap?

The 5.2 gets planing in anything from 14 knots up, so I'm prtetty happy with it in 14-25 knot conditions. I've only had 6.6 for a few weeks and haven't used it in any wind over 10 knots yet, but even then I was near on the plan! I figured it would be a good size for those 10-15 knot days. So, is it worth getting a 5.8 or is it just too close to the 6.6 for performance in lighter winds?

Mainly plan to use it for flatwater. Happy with the 5.2 Ezzy in the surf, seems about as big as I can comfortably throw around- at the moment anyway.

Cheers for any info.
Squid Lips
Squid Lips
WA
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25 Apr 2012 5:27pm
In flat water sails a 5.8 is a small sail designed for high winds so might not be really what you are after. Wave sails on the other hand are designed to be sailed with just enough power, so a 5.8 is more of a lighter wind sail, like you say you want, but if the 5.3 is getting you going in 14 knots it seems a bit unnecessary.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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25 Apr 2012 7:43pm
It reads like there is a fair bit of overlap between those sails. The 6.6m can be used in winds up to about 25 to 30 knots though it's seriously overpowered and fast in those wind strengths. Your Ezzy would be fun in those winds too.

If anything you could consider getting a larger sail. Your board will handle a 7.5m sail. See how you go on the 6.6m first in a decent wind of around 15 to 20 knots.

racerX
racerX
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25 Apr 2012 5:54pm
I think it depends on your weight and the regular conditions and type of sailing your interested in.

At my weight (74kg), 4.5,5,5.6 and two boards covers the bulk of what I look to sail in. I might even get a 5.3 to add to that. Your sails last longer and your on the right sail most of the time.

I then have a 4.0 and 6.3 which are not really ideal for there respective boards, but they only come out when it really honking or its very marginal.

I also have a 11 for a formula board, If I was heaver and into Slalom I would have a different mix.
Corkers
Corkers
NSW
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25 Apr 2012 8:37pm
I agree with Moby, get a 7.5 and your covered for all conditions, and making the choice of which sail to rig is easy
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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25 Apr 2012 9:01pm
Corkers said...

I agree with Moby, get a 7.5 and your covered for all conditions, and making the choice of which sail to rig is easy



Funny you mentioned a 7.5, as I was originally going to grab a 7.4 off Moby. But I'm still yet to give the 6.6 a good run- should have used it today instead of the 5.2...

As I'm learning the 7 plus sized sail might be too much of a handful? What sort of winds are you thinking the 7.5 will be good in?

Added info, I'm 76 kg and riding a FSW 116 lt board. Like flatwater as much as the surf.

stanly
stanly
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25 Apr 2012 9:09pm
Weigh 80kg, flatwater sailing, have 5.0 wave, 5.4 no-cam freerace, 6.6 & 7.8 cam'd freerace sails, and think this set works pretty well with 125L freerace and 94L freestyle-wave.
When I'm overpowered in the gybes on the 6.6 the 5.4 is perfect w.94L, and sometimes use the 6.6 on 94L, but really needs a bigger fin for that.
Advantage is don't have to think too hard about which sail to rig.

The only time I wish I had a 5.9-6.0 is when I want to do bump & jump and go out optimistically on the 5.4, but end up being under powered, but realistically should be on the 6.6 blasting.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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25 Apr 2012 9:10pm
Hi Phil,

I used my new 7.3m today in winds of up to around 20 knots. A bigger sail will get you through the lulls without dropping off the plane. I used the Loft 02 7.4m in winds up to around 25 knots. It wasn't too pleasant but it was managable.

Modern flatwater sails are designed to be used in overpowered conditions.

All my wind speed numbers are estimates. I need to invest in a wind meter.





Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
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25 Apr 2012 9:12pm
I sail a range of conditions from wave to flat water, my sails are:
4.7, 5.2, 5.8 (Wave sails) then 6.6m & 8m flat water sails. I find this spread covers most of my sailing
Corkers
Corkers
NSW
154 posts
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25 Apr 2012 9:37pm
I use my 7.5 in 14 to 20+ kts. I'm a bit heavier at 90kegs. Your 116 would handle the a 7.5 very nicely. Only suggesting this as it would give you a much bigger wind range than a 5.8.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
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25 Apr 2012 7:39pm
Phil,

Smaller sails, smaller gaps. Bigger they get, the bigger the gaps.

So with a 5.2 wavesail and 6.6 freeride I would ideally get rid of the 6.6 and buy a 6.0 wavesail and a 7.2 - 7.5 freeride sail.

If sticking with the existing two sails and wanting to buy another I agree with the previous advice about bigger, not getting another size in the middle.

d1
d1
WA
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d1 d1
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25 Apr 2012 7:55pm
^^^ Absolutely - it's a common mistake to specify a quiver of sails based on size differences, and not ratios.

I also weigh 76kg, and 5.8 is my most used, and most prized size. It will fit in well between a 5.2 and a 6.6. If you lived in WA, I'd have said "Go for it", but you should look at the typical wind conditions where you sail before making a decision.
Obelix
Obelix
WA
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26 Apr 2012 8:00am
I have 5.2, 6, 7 and 8.2, and that 6m is the least used sail.

I mostly use 7m and trim it to match the winds up to 26-27knts.
In very strong winds, I use a smaller board and 5.2m.
AJEaster
AJEaster
NSW
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26 Apr 2012 10:21am
R1DER said...

Sail quiver gap calculator
http://www.anyplanet.com/qc/


Haven't seen that one before. Very useful. Ta RIDER

Phil, Mark has given some good advice up there and agree 100%. A 6m is a nice distance from a 5.2, and if you get another Ezzy Wave (2007 onwards) they are good fun for flat water and waves. For your weight a 6m in the surf is as big as you would want to go, and then you can build your flatwater kit from there.

I am 90kg, and have a 5m, 5.8m and 6.5m. Most used kit is my Skate 109 and 6.5m freestyle sail which works great on flat water and is also fun in the waves. My next used sail is the 5.8 and I either run this on the Skate or waveboard depending upon what I am doing - flat water or waves. I have only used my 5m twice in 6 months.

After 26 years of sailboarding, if I need a sail bigger than a 6.5 on flatwater I go for a surf instead (or garden/chores so when there is wind there is no grief ). Power to the guys that rig big for flatwater. Am happy to do non-planning wavesailing till the cows come home if the waves are good and will typically just use the 5.8m in those conditions, just like we did at SWR when I was up.
R1DER
R1DER
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26 Apr 2012 9:00am
Thanks Greeny and no worries AJ
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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26 Apr 2012 2:49pm
Thanks heaps for the info All taken onboard Cheers.
R1DER
R1DER
WA
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27 Apr 2012 9:42pm
My increments average 13%
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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28 Apr 2012 1:15am
Good little link! If I get the 5.9, I'll be running at 14 percent. Planing to add a 4.5 wave sail later- still keeps at 14 percent. Now I just got to learn how to sail...
stanly
stanly
QLD
307 posts
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28 Apr 2012 12:13pm
Great link, if I dump the 5.0 and get a 4.5 that is 17% with 4 sails.
DunkO
DunkO
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28 Apr 2012 1:51pm
link is great.

only thing is it is assuming that they are the same type of sail.
some sails in your quiver may be more powerfull.
for me it's 4.7 5.3 and 5.7, all wave sails. 13% then 8%, but the 5.7 is a way more grunty sail as its used in lighter winds.

personally i think if you are happy with 5.2 as your biggest in the waves and for flat water the 6.6 will probably rig fine untill you need to use the 5.2. i would not rush to get a 5.8. all depends if there are oftern times you feel unerpowered on your 5.2 and over on 6.6??

i do like my 5.7 for light wind wave sailing though.
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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28 Apr 2012 4:37pm
DunkO said...

link is great.

only thing is it is assuming that they are the same type of sail.
some sails in your quiver may be more powerfull.
for me it's 4.7 5.3 and 5.7, all wave sails. 13% then 8%, but the 5.7 is a way more grunty sail as its used in lighter winds.

personally i think if you are happy with 5.2 as your biggest in the waves and for flat water the 6.6 will probably rig fine untill you need to use the 5.2. i would not rush to get a 5.8. all depends if there are oftern times you feel unerpowered on your 5.2 and over on 6.6??

i do like my 5.7 for light wind wave sailing though.


No mad rush with the 5.9 -and perhaps don't even need it. May even grab a 7.4 or something first, and just have two "big" flatwater sails. And another tough little Ezzy wave sail for the windy surf days. I ain't used the 6.6 enough to see when I'm over powered with it. Only used it twice- once it was 6-10 knots, and a few days back in 8-12 knots. I could plan at 12 knots- and pretty bloody quick!- so was stoked with that. Over 12 knots- dunno, may find out tomorrow

So two "big" flatwater sails (say 7.4 and the 6.6) and two tough Ezzys (a 4.5 and the 5.2 for the surf) should be a fairly un complicated quiver.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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28 Apr 2012 5:02pm
Mobydisc said...

Hi Phil,

I used my new 7.3m today in winds of up to around 20 knots. A bigger sail will get you through the lulls without dropping off the plane. I used the Loft 02 7.4m in winds up to around 25 knots. It wasn't too pleasant but it was managable.

Modern flatwater sails are designed to be used in overpowered conditions.

All my wind speed numbers are estimates. I need to invest in a wind meter.


I assume you are sailing in pretty flat water?





sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
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28 Apr 2012 5:07pm
I've got a 3.2m - 3.8m - 4.2m - 5m - 5.8m - 6.6m...Most used is the 6.6m then the 5 & 4.2m on 125 ltre & 95ltre boards..
Macroscien
Macroscien
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28 Apr 2012 5:44pm
sboardcrazy said...

I've got a 3.2m - 3.8m - 4.2m - 5m - 5.8m - 6.6m...Most used is the 6.6m then the 5 & 4.2m on 125 ltre & 95ltre boards..

On what occasion is your 3.2 ? you must be optimist or that is just kiddy sail for training..
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