Skinny masts?

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Bleary
Bleary
QLD
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QLD, 20 posts
1 May 2013 9:43am
I am thinking of getting another mast,is there any great advantage in a RDM mast?
My sails are freeride style,no cams.
Obviously I would need a new extension and boom sleeve,anything else to worry about?
At the moment I really only have one half decent mast,but can see I will need more,so wondering if I am better off moving to RDMs,lighter? stronger? Easier to handle? Or does it not really matter?
Cheers,
Bleary.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
1 May 2013 9:49am
It probably depends on what sails you have or plan to buy. If the you have sails that recommend a skinny mast then look at getting one. Otherwise don't worry about it. Perhaps if your current mast breaks look at getting a skinny mast as that seems to be the way things are going.

Yes skinny masts need a new extension. Normally the mast will come with a boom sleeve. I don't think skinnys are any lighter. They might be stronger.

The main differences for me going from SDM to RDM was its easier to get the mast up the luff sleeve when rigging and an RDM is easier to grab in transitions.
Bleary
Bleary
QLD
20 posts
QLD, 20 posts
1 May 2013 9:58am
None of my sails require a RDM,does it matter using a skinny on a sail designed for a SDM?
I need a 430 anyway so if it will suit more of the newer sails,I would be better of with a RDM?
I do like the idea of easier rigging and being easier to grab when sailing.
Cheers,
Bleary
lao shi
lao shi
WA
1347 posts
WA, 1347 posts
1 May 2013 9:06am
What type of sailing are you doing and what is your weight?

For waves there is no doubt that the RDM are more durable and all the current sails are designed around RDM masts. So if you were buying a new mast it would make sense to go RDM.
If you are more in to blasting around on flat water the need to change is dependent on what you want from your sails.

As a lighter weight sailor (75Kg) I like setting my Loft race sails on RDM masts for a few reasons.
I like having less gear and use the same mast for wave and race sails.
I prefer the handling feel (not to grab the mast as this is a bad habit) and balance of the rig with an RDM.
I find the rig breathes better in the gusts allowing me more upper range out of the sail.

However if you are a heavier rider you may dislike the springier feel of an RDM (particularly in larger size sails) and the reduction in low end grunt.

So if you have a serviceable SDM and just want to blast around as a heavier rider in lighter winds then SDM may be better.
Bleary
Bleary
QLD
20 posts
QLD, 20 posts
1 May 2013 11:16am
I am around 82kg at the moment and mainly just flatwater sailing,but I would like to get into waves in the future,plus I can see myself buying some new sails coming up.
It sounds like it makes sense to go RDM if I am going to get another mast anyway.Thanks for the help.
DunkO
DunkO
NSW
1150 posts
NSW, 1150 posts
1 May 2013 7:26pm
Rdm is definitely the go!

So much stronger
Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1595 posts
3 May 2013 5:04am
It probably wouldn't be the best idea to take a brand new SDM into the waves, much thinner walls and more likely to break which would really suck on a brand new mast.
John340
John340
QLD
3418 posts
QLD, 3418 posts
3 May 2013 10:22am
I too am looking to buy 6.0 and 5.0 sails, mast and boom

In pure engineering measurement, for the same weight of mast, the larger diameter of a SDM compared to a RDM will have
- Higher moment of inertia,
- Will be stiffer and
- Have a higher bending moment, shear and compressive strength

Presumeably, that is why they are still exclusively used for large race sails.

I also used SDMs for wave sailing all through the 80s and early 90s. However the current trend is for RDMs for these sails

So there must be some other parameters / advantages that have made RDM, today, preferrable over SDMs for wave and freestyle applications.

So what are these advantages?
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23682 posts
WA, 23682 posts
3 May 2013 8:33am
^^^ strength John.

They simply don't break anywhere near as much

Secondary advantages like easy to grab the mast when down in waves
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
3 May 2013 10:54am
The other advantage is that wave sails these days are designed for RDM's.
Aside from better performance with a RDM in a lot of them you won't be able to fit an SDM up the luff tube.
Wave = RDM
Slalom / Race = SDM (mostly)
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
3 May 2013 6:22pm
I'm a convert, only RDM's now and hav'nt looked back. Highly recommend
jh2703
jh2703
NSW
1225 posts
NSW, 1225 posts
3 May 2013 7:11pm
Skinny.......and no other.

Why...No idea

Pros....their skinny

Cons....their not fat

Seariously though I don't think it makes all that much difference unless the sail is specifically for one or the other. For basic sailing any will do, just because they are skinny doesn't make them lighter but I think (nothing to back it up) they are stronger. I've seen SDMs snap on the beach in the sun, not so for the RDMs.

That said I switched to RDMs within a year of starting to windsurf and haven't gone back but I don't use a sail over 5.8 so that could be the thing. Most bigger sails rig on a 460 and I don't even know if they make RDMs in 460????

If your most used sails are 6.2 and below I'd personally go with the RDM but if your on bigger freeride sails then go with the SDM.

Go for the best carbon content you can afford though, I think that'll give you your greatest gain.

....Sorry for the ramble as I've had the sweetest day on the water and I've celebrated with a few brewskis....BURP....Mmmmm, Beer.
Bristol
Bristol
ACT
347 posts
ACT, 347 posts
3 May 2013 7:27pm
jh2703 said...
. . .I don't even know if they make RDMs in 460 . . .

I have an Ezzy 460 & very happy with it. It rigs a freeride 7.3 perfectly.

vando
vando
QLD
3419 posts
QLD, 3419 posts
3 May 2013 7:38pm
Skinnies if you want peace of mine .
Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1595 posts
3 May 2013 5:42pm
They make skinnies all the way up to 520.
The simple fact that they are much more unlikely to break has me sold.
Another benefit is easier rigging.
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