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sean_
sean_
VIC
8 posts
VIC, 8 posts
17 Mar 2006 10:05pm
Hi guys,

Well I'm new to the sport of windsurfing and, after having a few lessons last year, am looking to get back into it and buy my first setup. I weight around 70kg and am looking for a board that will last me a season or two - in other words, I'm willing to make the first few sails tough so that I don't outgrow it straight away.

Basically, I'm looking for any suggestions of types of boards and sail sizes. Being a student, price is of course an issue and was wondering what a reasonable amount would be to spend on the entire setup. From what I've read, I believe I'd be looking for a freeride board - but other than that, I have no idea so was hoping I could get some advice.

Thanks a lot fellas.

-sean.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
17 Mar 2006 7:22pm
G'Day sean and welcome.

About a week or so ago somebody else asked a similar question, and the consensus seemed to be that your first board should be your long term light wind board, and your first sail should be your long term high wind sail.
So depending where you are???? And what winds = the lightest you'll want to sail in, the board should be 90 - 110 liters,
And depending on the strongest wind you'll be sailing the sail 4.0 to 5.0.
Another variation is how you're learning, the slow easy way, (uphauling)
or the hard fast way (water starting first). If it's the later, you'll obviously need a big enough sail to lift you onto the board. So instead of the sail for your strongest wind go for a middle range sail. (4.5 - 5.5 depending what your winds are like)
sean_
sean_
VIC
8 posts
VIC, 8 posts
17 Mar 2006 10:35pm
thanks for the quick reply decrepit.

I'd most likely prefer to learn by waterstarting even though this will mean numerous agonising hours in the shallow water. I probably would be looking at sailing in at least 10, if not 15 knots.

Any tips as to types of boards that fit the 90-110 litre range? Also, if I opted for a 5 metre sail would this be too big in say 20-25 knots?

I'll be sailing mainly down on the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria.. in case that helps.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
17 Mar 2006 8:18pm
quote:
Originally posted by sean_

thanks for the quick reply decrepit.


No worries mate
quote:


I'd most likely prefer to learn by waterstarting even though this will mean numerous agonising hours in the shallow water. I probably would be looking at sailing in at least 10, if not 15 knots.


I have a feeling that you might be better off uphauling in those wind strengths.
But in the right conditions, with the right instruction (and if you're young, well compared to me anyway). you can learn to waterstart in a few sessions. But 10 knots is very light an experienced sailor of your weight may be able to waterstart with a 5.0 but it would be very hard work, and far from ideal learning conditions. In 15 kn I'd recomend a 5.5 - 6.0 to learn waterstarting. Trouble with sails much bigger than this they get hard to fly, the clew tends to dig in.
You don't really need shallow water, too shallow and you can't do the right things with your legs, they keep hitting the bottom! Just practise going out, till you're 30-40 meters out, then turn round and practise coming in, the better you get at coming in, the further you can go out!

quote:


Any tips as to types of boards that fit the 90-110 litre range?


No sorry, I'm not up on production boards. And for 10knts you'll probably better off going bigger, but that's out of my area of expertise. I don't go out under 12 knots and then the waves have to be good.

quote:

Also, if I opted for a 5 metre sail would this be too big in say 20-25 knots?


not at all, I'm 67kg and just blasting around I can use my 5.3 up to 30knt gusts. But as I said I think the 5.0 will be too small for 15 knts
quote:

I'll be sailing mainly down on the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria.. in case that helps.


Doesn't help me, I'm in WA I'm sure somebody familar with your conditions will hop in soon.
bmanners
bmanners
WA
40 posts
WA, 40 posts
17 Mar 2006 10:15pm

I have noticed that when people are learning to waterstart they find getting the sail out of the water the hardest part, leaving little energy for the actual waterstart. A lifejacket will make water starts easier (easier to get the sail out of the water) and give you more time on the water as you won't get too tired so quickly.

If you can, get someone to teach you. Either pay for a lesson or ask a favour from a friend. Going to the water and trying to learn with persistance is just not fun.

Cheers
Brett
Nattles
Nattles
WA
11 posts
WA, 11 posts
19 Mar 2006 11:52pm
Sorry but I disaree............the shear joy and excitment I got from learning how to waterstart by myself was acilerating (spelling?)!!! But I guess it depends on your style of learning. Just yesterday I managed some jybes, no they were not pretty but I did them and on my own........oh yeah I also read and spoke to a few people and watch Dr Beats windsurfing video a number of times.........so if your up for a challenege go for it!!
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
20 Mar 2006 7:34pm
Nattles, So was this the way you started learning to windsurf, or had you already been thru the uphaul stage????
It's just that starting from ground zero, waterstarting, there's a lot of stuff you need to get a grip of. Possibly a bit easier if you've already got a basic idea of what it's all about.
Not saying you can't do it without an instuctor, but I'm sure it makes it a hell of a lot easier.
Nattles
Nattles
WA
11 posts
WA, 11 posts
20 Mar 2006 9:56pm
No I started with the uphaul way but that was how they did it way back then. I have been windsurfing on and off for years and have come back to it 3 years after a car accident, don't sail as well as I used just have to get smarter...........the twist in the jybe hurts my back and I will have to work on that one, but hey at least I am back on the water!!
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
21 Mar 2006 2:03pm
Sean,

I have just got back into it, and have had a similar experience buying my new gear. As others have mentioned, look at your first board as being your long term light wind board. This means accepting up front that you will want two boards in the long run. It only took me three weeks and two 25-30+ knot days before I ordered a second smaller board after being bounced right off the water.

I am 65kg, and my first board was 105 litre. Perhaps I could have gone slightly larger for a true light wind board, although I haven't tried it yet with a large sail so it might be ok. If you really want to get going in light winds, then maybe you'd consider up to 115 litre?

I started with a 5.7m. Goes well with the 105litre on 15+ days. After the 25-30+ days, I went and got myself a 4.7m. My next purchase will be something in the order of a 6.6m for the 12-15 days.

I don't think the 5.0 will get you going at 15 knots, but would be fine for 20-25.

Basically I have been using 5.7 15+, 5.2 20+, 4.7 25+. Most guys on the flat water seem to use bigger than me, but then I am lightweight, and am happy not to be the fastest on the water.

You need to think of your sails like your board - look at the longer term. I think you can get away with one board a lot longer than you can get away with one sail. Finances permitting, I would be planning on getting at least two sails early on. (There are some real bargains on 2nd hand sails until you sort out what you really need.) Maybe looking at a 5.0 and a 6.0 ?

So far as board types - I got a super-X style board, which is a little more speed oriented, but more manouverable than a pure slalom board. For my smaller board, a Freestlye Wave board, which I figure will handle chop and swell better in higher winds, and I hope to use to venture into open water and small surf on occasion.

Anyway, take my comments with a bucket of salt water, as I am only learning again as well.

Good sailing,
Harrow.
Hellemam
Hellemam
WA
45 posts
WA, 45 posts
21 Mar 2006 12:59pm
Hello Sean,

I started 3 years ago. I went to quite a few shops to see what they had available. In the end I bought a complete rig for a bit over $800. That included board, mast extension, mast, boom, mastfoot and a 4.7 sail. The board was an old Bic and I changed that a year later for a secondhand Starboard Go (from this site) which I still use. (It looks like a barndoor but it has a padded deck which saves your knees and it is a good board to start and progress with. It really helped me making lots of progress.)
Add another $200 for a roofrack so you can take everything with you.
From the original setup I still have boom, mast, extension and foot.
Since then I fell through the first sail, so replaced it with another 4.7 and then bought a 5.8 which I use most of the time. All the sails were second hand and below $200.
The harness was around $70 (I believe). I bought a mastprotector ($15??). Over time you buy a lot of odds and ends but you can have a basic package below $1000.
It is worth it though.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
WA, 4564 posts
21 Mar 2006 1:45pm
Sean, just learning myself in regards to water starts. Found that by attaching a section of a "water noodle" (floatation device kids use in pools. sold at Toys Are us in packs of 3) around the end of the boom, it stops the sail sinking when trying to do water starts, and allows the breeze to get under the sail faster. And yep you need a good sea breeze and sail to suite, to get up.
You may get some funny looks from people by fitting the noodle, but it works a treat.
Two good sites to find help are
www.guycribb.com and look under the Technique tab. and www.waterstarter.com
Hope this is of some help
Combs
Combs
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
21 Mar 2006 2:00pm
The fundamental way to get on a board is uphaul. You can even uphaul on a sinker in barely any wind. This is really a recovery skill. Everyone is correct though, after a while waterstarting becomes the norm, but if the opportunity arises (like you drop your rig halfway through a gybe and are left standing on your board)I still use the uphaul to keep my skill up in this area.

You can water start in no wind. It is really tricky and I don't know how successful it is in swell (you basically grab the bottom of the sail and use its weight only).

If I get stuck on my 105ltr with little wind, I always uphaul. It is much quicker and takes far less energy.

I still see people floating around trying to water start in light wind and on investigation I find they skipped the uphaul bit as being too basic.
sean_
sean_
VIC
8 posts
VIC, 8 posts
21 Mar 2006 5:09pm
thanks for all the great tips guys.

I've been checking out some of the ads on this website and I'm looking at getting a 103L Mistral Flow 276 as well as a few North Sails (4.7 and 6.0). They're definitely not the latest models but still look like they're in decent shape - and all of that for around $700.

The big question is what else do I need? Obviously theres the mast and boom but do i need a harness and harness lines straight away? Will the sails I mentioned above match the board?

Harrow: Sounds like we're in pretty much the same situation with everything. Was there a reason you chose a Super-X board over the normal Freeride type?

Thanks.
Harrow
Harrow
NSW
4521 posts
NSW, 4521 posts
21 Mar 2006 6:09pm
sean,

The guy at the store directed me to it as a more 'high-end' performance board that I would not grow out of. (Can I tell the difference - probably not ) Plus it was a good price as I think it may have been the the previous years model.

But I think you'd be happy with the Mistral flow. I see plenty of them around - they seem to be a classic board that many people are fond of. That board probably has a sail range of 4.5 - 7.0 ?

So far as harness and lines goes - I wouldn't last five minutes without them! Of course there is no problem starting out without them - I think you will know as soon as you are ready for them. (You're tired arms will become the limiting factor after you get confident in planning conditions).

Sure, you will get catapulted, etc. while you are getting used to them, but if you are going out in winds strong enough to get planning, you will want to start using a harness in the not too distant future.

Let us know how you go,
Harrow.
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