Storm sail choice....

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busterwa
busterwa
3782 posts
3782 posts
16 Aug 2009 5:01am
Just wondering what sail type and size everyone uses in say
50+knot gusts
40+knots
30+knots

The other question is do you have to change your board from a wave board to a slalom board or board length .

I get bored during the winter months but would like to still go out.
What i want to do is start getting a storm set up for next year which i can utalize.
What would you guys recomend i weigh about 85 kilo

Any ifnormation would be noobly appreciated.

I have the swine flu i lost my voice and i feel awfull

Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
16 Aug 2009 3:20pm
Poor Buster. Hope you're feeling better soon.


I think everyone is too exhausted after sailing in the storm to answer your question...

I use a 4.5m wave sail in anything over 25 knots.
(I don't have a smaller one! I just hang on tight!)
ginger pom
ginger pom
VIC
1746 posts
VIC, 1746 posts
16 Aug 2009 5:27pm
pryde used to make a sail called the hurricane.

It was made in 2.5,3 and 3.5m. They made some claims about it having a foot that twisted away in the same way as the head...

www.facebook.com/BoogieBeau

May have just been pryde b ****..
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
VIC, 5000 posts
16 Aug 2009 6:17pm
busterwa said...

Just wondering what sail type and size everyone uses in say


50+knot gusts
Ummm...A sail that I leave in the shed while I stay indoors & cower!

40+knots
Today, got caught out in a 40kt+ squall (showed it was 83km/h on weatherzone history) & had my 6.5 cammed sail...not by choice, generally wouldn't sail 40kts because my smallest sail is a 5.5 severne (ncx)...probably why I was stuck hanging onto the end of our marina for 10mins waiting for it to subside


30+knots
I'd rig my above-mentioned 5.5...with plenty of downhaul!

Btw, my weight = around 105kgs
Rider5
Rider5
WA
567 posts
WA, 567 posts
16 Aug 2009 4:44pm
At 88kg 08 4.5 Tushingham Rock in anything over 35 knts (will sell for $300) and for the majority of my winter sailing 09 5.0 rock for 25 to 35 knts.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
16 Aug 2009 4:56pm
Are you guys talking peaking at 35 or 40, or a solid 35kn?
In a honest to god, solid, 35kn seabreeze at Greenhead last year I was on 4.0 and 75L. And I'm 95kg.

A winter storm is really 25 - 35 and the 35's are few and far between.

Rider5
Rider5
WA
567 posts
WA, 567 posts
16 Aug 2009 7:45pm
Those very few days when the green arrows show around 35 I use my 4.5 which is why its such a good buy very minimal use
I reckon most storms are usually in the 25 to 35 range.
I always like to check the graphs at the end of the day to see what it was.
I've been sprouting the excellent upper wind range of the rocks for years.
Little Jon
Little Jon
NSW
2115 posts
NSW, 2115 posts
16 Aug 2009 9:50pm
I have a 4.2 sailworks revolution which can be used from 25 knots comfortably to 35 and even to forty. I have used it once in 3 years. I did rig it a second time but the wind died before I could get it wet again.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
16 Aug 2009 8:22pm
constant 40 is 3.2 - 3.5 for most ppl (talking wave gear of course)
Krisiz1
Krisiz1
WA
331 posts
WA, 331 posts
16 Aug 2009 9:11pm
Don't spend too much on gear because you never get to use it that much! There always seems to be plenty of it around. Also when you are bouncing across the top of the chop hanging on for dear life it doesn't matter much what you have up as long as it's small and downhauled to the max!
westhammer
westhammer
WA
507 posts
WA, 507 posts
16 Aug 2009 9:37pm
So far this winter i have been fully lit on the 4,2 in up to 40kts about ten times over a period of ten weeks,a 3,5 in the quiver would have been controlable pure joy up to 50kts.. smaller boards for me seem to have a lot more control in the stronger winds,and talking coastal sailing here.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
16 Aug 2009 10:37pm
Good point: smaller boards.

How many people go down to a 19cm fin and a board 15-20L less than their weight? That makes a big big difference
hardpole
hardpole
WA
609 posts
WA, 609 posts
16 Aug 2009 11:14pm
I have a 4.2 ezzy wave that gets a few runs every year (in summer) and if sailing in the ocean / storms I used to use it sometimes. Now I tend to go to the river in storms and rig bigger.

The worst thing is they put the year (1998) in big letters on the sail bag and it a bit embarressing to bring it out now. But its still works a treat.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2879 posts
SA, 2879 posts
17 Aug 2009 2:58pm
I was out yesterday in 25-35 knot winds, with gusts reportedly around the 45 knot mark. I sailed on a 4.7 Alpha NP sail, which I won earlier this year. with the variance in the wind I simply adjusted the down haul to suit the stronger wind, then let it back out once it subsided, I reckon I had cranked it down to about the size of a 4.0 when it was really windy then back to normal for the 'lighter' stuff.

This is the best sail I have sailed in strong winds

I weigh 94 kgs and was on a 92ltr FSW JP
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
4019 posts
WA, 4019 posts
17 Aug 2009 3:35pm
Mark _australia said...

Good point: smaller boards.

How many people go down to a 19cm fin and a board 15-20L less than their weight? That makes a big big difference


I don't think they make boards that small...
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
17 Aug 2009 4:24pm
One really important one ...........if you want to have full control ,,,,a little mast 3.7 is a must (its gotta be soft /flexi / spongie ,so it still lays off in the bullets.(thats for me at 100kgs pluss)
If you start to use a head terbine the mast becomes to stiff and the sail eventually pancakes on you .....You can do it ,and still have fun ,,,, but man it feels **** house if your mast is to stiff and your sail inverts and your skidding /bunny hopping down wind ,,,fighting till the squall passes or you just get an inverted body slam blasting along and or doing a jump
you end up fighting it all to stay on the water.


Im talking about being able to wacking lips and Wave riding and controlling massive unaviodable jumps and controling your speed taking the drop,,,, as though you were enjoying a normal 18 to 22 Knot wave riding and jumping session.

You get your rig working in 30 to 40 pluss and its the sickest.

45 plus good luck

Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
17 Aug 2009 6:53pm
I haven't heard them called "storm sails" for about 20 years. Are we both showing our age?

You don't say what other gear you have. A better question would be "what quiver are you guys running to get all year round riding?"

I used to have 6, 5.2 and 4.5 and a slalom and a wave board. That covered pretty much any conditions I ever wanted to ride. There was enough overlap so that I didn't have to worry about putting up the wrong size.

In reality you would almost never ride in a true 50 knot wind. They are usually accompanied by really yuck weather and they tend to not last very long.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
17 Aug 2009 5:00pm
Showing our age ,well yer

Intresting ............im grabbing da Storm Sail ,,,,,,well i guessing its the saying for, im rigging up the smallest bloody sail i can hope to tame the beast with.

After this point your stuffed..........
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
17 Aug 2009 11:17pm
I find the biggest issue to deal with when the wind gets wild is board windage. You just have to be so much more careful about board angle and position when you are in the air. The highest wind i've ever sailed in was probably solid 40kts, looked at bom after I finished and highest recorded gust was 62kts. Needless to say I sailed for about 30min and decided it was a stupid idea.

I was running a 75L board, a 19cm fin and 4.1m. Board/sail control wasn't an issue on the water but if you launched yourself....holy....s@# be prepared for all sorts if shenanigans. If you're lazy, like I often am and let the inside rail dip a bit when you're in the air in that wind strength you basically go into a 400mph nose dive. Angle the inside rail up and you just launch upwards and sideways at all sorts of crazy velocities. I think no matter what sort of sail setup you have, when you get to those sort of wind strengths it's the least of your problems. After all it's instictive to feather a sail, not so instinctive to feather a board
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
17 Aug 2009 10:01pm
yeah baby
involuntary back loops are fun..... not

when you go vertical and point the nose into the wind for some lift is great in 25 kn. Then you do it in 35 and all of a sudden it is all very different
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