The technology race.

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mike
mike
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
9 Sep 2005 9:01am
Well we are about to start a new season, and about now people are starting to think about their gear..... that boom from last year that was starting to show sign's of cracking, that board that has seen plenty of action..... time for a new one?

My question is how far will technology go, and more importantly, What real difference does it make for the average sailor?? Technology is on the move, but so is the price(up). Do people really feel like they have to have the lastest gear?? Is most of this just trying to look the part? Where is windsurfing heading?

Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
9 Sep 2005 11:26am
I don't feel like I have to have the latest equipment, but I do have certain criteria. If I buy a sail it needs to be powerful (like an Arrows Aerial) and not spongey (like a Tushy), strong and light. A boom would need to have good grip, not flex and have a good amount of overlap after extending it for bigger sails. The masts need to be light, high carbon, strong and have really quick response time. As for boards they just need to be light and the right size/style for the conditions.

I have had a few sails for 3 or 4 years that are still excellent - so why would I change them? I prefer to buy equipment when old stuff breaks. I think the main reason for this, is that I don't race and so don't need the latest, fastest and lightest kit. i understand why Formula Racers change their kit anually.

However, an excellent example of why we should update before kit breaks is my mate and his bad equipment purchases. he bought some slalom stuff (from mid 90's) with 5 cams, narrow boards, upright fins and he's only just learning to use the harness! After I met him, I let him try my no-cam sail, light mast and good boom and he said it was like doing a completely different sport. He's since bought new kit and a widestyle but is still stuck with kit worth pennies but he paid $1000 for it about 1,5 yrs ago. In fact i think it is really bad for the sport if we (windsurfers) sell crap kit to unsuspecting novices/improvers.

I'm presently looking for a 110ltr free-style board and 7.5 to go with it - that'll do me for this season!

hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
9 Sep 2005 9:39am
For me equipment has to cater for Time on Water (TOW), I only have a budget to buy second hand sails and boards, but will buy new bases, booms and masts.

One of the things that killed the sport in the mid to late nineties, was that equipment got more and more technical and less & less accessible to sail, so less TOW, at least the new developments in windsurfing are all about equipment which give you more TOW. I was a sceptic about the wider style boards, but have to admit I am a convert because they = more TOW. So if you have an old skinny board and don't get much TOW then a new or good 2nd hand wider style board would be highly recommended.


Durability is an issue, so I geuss that would be a factor in buying new, something that's gonna last like an ezzy sail.

I also think there is enough individual differences amongst us all for people to make their own decisions about how they wanna spend their money and whether they want to update to the latest gear every year (If they can afford to and don't harm anyone, then goodluck to them , I'm only slightly jealous). I certainly don't think there is a need to go new every year, the 2nd hand market is full of good equipment at a variety of prices.

that's my thrupence worth!
mike
mike
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
9 Sep 2005 11:45am
I have to agree that the safety factor is important. People should NOT sell gear that they know is damaged or likely to break. That sucks!!!!!!!!! I also agree with the point about beginners buying gear that is totally wrong for them. Sounds very much like the guy's at Windsurfing Perth. Happy to sell anything to anyone. Very dodgee shop in my opinion!!!!!!!!

There must come a point though when technology and design stop. Sailing companies are always releasing the new seasons gear with "more bottom end" or "more control", we've all heard it. The only real differnce I can see or feel is a slightly darker paint on the deck, or brighter stitching on the luff. I like to think of it like a ball. It's round, and that's it. We don't here about "The new ball", "The 2006 ball with greater roundness" Same with boards and sails, unless your on the world tour, racing. Why can't sailing companies be honest, "It's the same as last year, just in blue"!!!!!!




Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
1173 posts
NSW, 1173 posts
9 Sep 2005 4:03pm
I don't think the board manufacturers are trying to exploit us windsurfers. Two examples: one board manufacturer (can't remember who, maybe Starboard) made loads of prototypes of a new board, and they decided that the board already in production was better. So they kept it and changed the design - but everybody new it was the same board. The second example is again Starboard asking that Formula be limited to 10.5m sails because all of their testers now have bad backs after the testing season...

All I have, right now kit wise is 1 F2 262 Wave, which is a mess but goes ok, 6.2m Simmer Onshore Wave, 5.2 NP Core, 1 boom, 1 drop shape north mast and a chinook extension (because i bent my old extension). What I need is a small wave board, big freestyle board, widestyle board and another 3 sails ranging from 6.5 to 10m. I need more "TOW" (Hardman t.m.) otherwise I'll never get better...

Anybody in Sydney selling ok light wind kit??!!
ju_724
ju_724
231 posts
231 posts
9 Sep 2005 5:56pm
oh no

leski
leski
NSW
661 posts
NSW, 661 posts
9 Sep 2005 8:51pm
I think progress in the technology is not pushing us to buy more stuff!!
almost the reverse: sails have now a huge wind range, you could almost rig a 4m mast on 4.5 up to a 5.2, boards have volume but the shape has progressed so much that you could now wavesail with a bigger board.
Plus everything is lite, wetsuit are warmer and more stretchy, harness are confy, boom are thiner so generally all of this make windsurfing a lot less tiring.


so generally MORE TOW for LESS GEAR


I am not saying go on and spend your money, but If you can it is usually worth it.
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
9 Sep 2005 8:38pm
im a sucker for good gear
walking into my choice of windsurfing shops is like my 3 year old daughter walking into a lollie shop
i want skinny masts... new sails... good booms and plenty of accessories
if they are second hand they have to be top quality
when i started windsurfing i was an apprentice, i bought my first rig from cashies for $200
i was fortunate enough to have met a good friend who lent me his boards
now that i have finished my apprenticeship i have been buying better gear
its just soo much better than cashie gear... it definately makes the learning curve easier and quicker and more enjoyable
im all for this technology stuff but yes it can hurt the hip pocket
ive done a quick calculation and in a year ive spent near $5000 on gear but thats because i started with nothing and have been trying to set myself up
better is best but just to let you know there are guys out there that are 1000 times better than me and sail on older gear
X-man
X-man
WA
325 posts
WA, 325 posts
10 Sep 2005 10:02am

I don't think technology and design will stop anytime soon! The new gear that comes out every year with "more bottom end" or "more control" probably doesn't make a big difference compared to the models just before, but take 1995 sail and compare it with a 2005 sail... because of the slow evolution the 2005 is soooo much better!.
And no offence but windsurfing gear has really nothing to do with a round ball!!
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
12 Sep 2005 4:22pm
Windsurfing is cheap.

just think of what else you could do to get the same extreme thrills.

Motocross?
Road race bike?
Jet ski?
water sking?
a WA snowboarder?
Go Karts?
Speedway sedan?
pushbike racing?

just try and be as serious about the above as you are about your windsurfing.

Ask a fisherman about how much he has invested in his gear!

Ask someone with kids into competitive swimming how much it costs them.

In 1984 I shelled out $450 for a lastest and greatest 7m camber induced sail. a month earlier I paid $3200 for a brand new XC500 Husky enduro bike.

in 2005 I sell the same size and make sail sail for $700 but can't come up with $13000 for that new Husky.

Feel free to set me right if you have evidence to the error of my thinking.

best winds
Tony L
Greenroom
Greenroom
WA
7608 posts
WA, 7608 posts
12 Sep 2005 3:50pm
i %101 agree with you tony
i got mates who ride motor cross and they buy 250cc new around the $8-10,000 plus gear plus servicing plus petrol every time they go riding plus trailer plus breakage etc etc THOUSANDS SPENT!!! and they dont go out riding as much as i go windsurfing
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