Tips for doing hooked in chop hops " safely..?"

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sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
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21 Oct 2009 9:53am
Does anyone stay hooked in for jumps & if so how do you avoid disaster?
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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21 Oct 2009 10:49am
Attitude


Edit:
Seriously its been a while since I've even attempted chop hops hooked in. Recollecting my disasters, they usually were caused by the board's nose being upwind of the tail, landing too nose first and crashing, landing with the leeward rail digging in and crashing. In fact my chop hops usually resulted in crashes.
Probably the wrong attitude
Squid Lips
Squid Lips
WA
708 posts
WA, 708 posts
21 Oct 2009 9:32am
Almost always stay hooked in. What do you mean "avoid disaster"? If you need to bail just pull the sail in a bit and unhook before letting go.
Leman
Leman
VIC
672 posts
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21 Oct 2009 1:06pm
I'm always hooked in too, well since I changed to carbon booms, although I often become uphooked during the jump. You can reaccelerate so much quicker. I just never do the nose first landings, which seem to bring disaster for me. Worst that tends to happen on tail landings is I'm pointing upwind too much so I risk spinout. Longer harness lines will also give you more time to react and reestablish your balance upon landing.
Bertie
Bertie
NSW
1351 posts
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21 Oct 2009 1:07pm
i find by running my harness lines so they are touching or an inch apart allows me to swing my rig while in the air to compensate for errors. thus less crash. you need at least 24" lines to be able to swing ya rig and trim it effectively i rekon to avoid major farkups.
I do most of my jumps hooked in, yes even the big ones at lano and the like.
ginger pom
ginger pom
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21 Oct 2009 3:18pm
sboardcrazy said...

Does anyone stay hooked in for jumps & if so how do you avoid disaster?


long lines ie 28" and I'm 6'1"
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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21 Oct 2009 5:28pm
I've got a seat harness. Would that make it dicier?
What do you mean "avoid disaster"?
Landings..nose first etc..I usually land tail first but I thought being hooked in might mean Id err towards nose first landings & maybe nosedive.Also if Im overpowered going into the jump maybe Id get spat off or in trouble..?
lao shi
lao shi
WA
1349 posts
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21 Oct 2009 2:36pm
I too jump hooked in when I probably should not. I use a surf seat (waist high hook but with seat straps) and 28 lines.
If you do land too nose first and square to the wind you can end up going over the handlebars. I did this just last week and cracked the nose of my board.
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
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22 Oct 2009 10:46pm
Jumping hooked in is the way to go. Landing slightly with nose first, helps to keep up speed, without slumping back.
stribo
stribo
QLD
1628 posts
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22 Oct 2009 9:53pm
Jump into the wind,pull your feet up(level the board) ,bear off a little and extend your legs a bit to land.Keep an even pressure in the rig and weight on the lines.
Oh and don't let go
Gestalt
Gestalt
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14968 posts
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22 Oct 2009 9:58pm
i'm surprised so many people stay hooked in, my jumps are not very big but i am never hooked in when i land even though i take off hooked in.

maybe i need to hang off the rig more?
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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23 Oct 2009 8:51am
i'm surprised so many people stay hooked in, my jumps are not very big but i am never hooked in when i land even though i take off hooked in.
I was suprised when I first heard of it but if i can do it it will be great.Usually when i unhook to set up I lose speed & then if Im really powered up I lack strength & Im exhausted before I even hit the air so I don't have the energy to try & pull the board up etc.Im hoping if I can stay hooked in I can use my energy for technique.. though I'm not keen on the idea of getting it wrong & going over the handlebars etc.. Im glad to hear that a lot of people seem to unhook anyway in the air although having a seat harness might make that less likely..?
nick0
nick0
NSW
510 posts
NSW, 510 posts
23 Oct 2009 12:22pm
i allways ride up to the wave or chop or what eva hooked in and it just unhooks in air .. as i land i allways have to hook in again .. loose a lil bit of speed then and arms tire out
sailpilot
sailpilot
QLD
787 posts
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23 Oct 2009 11:40am
With the crap I usually get to sail in its impossible to stay on the water too long anyway so staying hooked in is pretty normal (or just lazy). The faster your going, the further you need to be scanning ahead to be ready for whats coming.
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
NSW, 8349 posts
23 Oct 2009 3:08pm
With the crap I usually get to sail in

Sound like Winter on Lake Macquarie!
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
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24 Nov 2009 7:42am
Tried it & Ill be jumping unhooked from now on..Went out yesterday in 25kt + S .I did one little one hooked in & I noticed that I was unhooked when i landed so i thought Ok thats safe..Lets go for it.. I was grossly overpowered & must have got the rig a bit too far forward & catapulted a twisted nastily hooked in one .BAD whiplash very painful & not good for an already stuffed neck..I had a system rigged with buckles to keep my buoyancy vest connected to my seat harness so it wouldnt ride up & it ripped the large plastic buckle in half & broke the zip..I suppose Im lucky something gave or it would have been worse..Too old for these shenanigans..

Going back to my inneficient unhooked style..Mind you other than that it was a great sail & i did get at least one good jump ( unhooked ! )
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
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24 Nov 2009 11:06am
I always jump hooked in (only do chop-hops) and find I'm more able to control the sail in the air, but my main reason is that I just forget to unhook until I'm about to launch...although as said, stuff the re-entry and you'll get thrown around the front. Only happened once to me, and yep, it hurt! I tend to take the weight off my harness mid air, and find that if I accidentally unhook whilst jumping, my landings aren't very smooth.

The other downside of being hooked in is if you land hard, you risk bending/snapping your boom or lines, again...that's only happened once also.
knigit
knigit
WA
319 posts
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24 Nov 2009 9:16am
s-crazy - Know your pain. I've stopped doing hooked in jumps because of the carnage when it goes wrong and the number of booms I'm going through.

At the moment my jumps have taken a major turn for the worse. I loose my board trim, can't get the timing for the chop-hop to work so well and can't 'float' properly. I have got a few to work properly though so I will perservere. I think that it's very much a matter of timing and technique. It's not as if you need to be unhooked for long and only seems to be an arm-killer when you muck up the unhook and loose too much board speed.

Still think that hooked-in jumps are a good skill to have, and I'll probably go back to smaller ones when I can afford a carbon boom. I suggest that you may want to give them another try when you're not 'grossly overpowered'. - A bad idea when you're trying something new that involves connecting yourself to an airborne sail
sboardcrazy
sboardcrazy
NSW
8349 posts
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24 Nov 2009 1:39pm
Been in bed on painkillers all morning..bit better now.I dont think Ill break a boom as too lightweight..? but the body certainly breaks..Might take a while for the memory to fade before & if I try another hooked in one in less wind..
I wonder if the lower hook position using a seat harness makes it riskier..?
WindySimon
WindySimon
WA
47 posts
WA, 47 posts
24 Nov 2009 10:53am
i normally stay hooked in. Sometimes the strap falls out of the hook but mostly not. I just put alot of effort into landing the board pretty well...

I'm a bit of a beefcake at 90kg too so the boom should give way before my back does... with a bit of luck... and pain... and money.... mmmm

Heal up soon!
windtechno
windtechno
VIC
372 posts
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24 Nov 2009 2:03pm
i use a seat harness and i am always hooked in before i jump. to jump with out a harnes me arms would break off. jumping is always risky, but i will never stop jumping even if i break me board. i love flying
pacman76
pacman76
QLD
123 posts
QLD, 123 posts
24 Nov 2009 1:26pm
I unhook whenever the "chop" looks more like a "ramp". At the end of the day a jump is not worth your boom or board repairs.
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