Using 490 mast on vario top 460 recommended Slalom 6,70 sail

2 years ago
Reply
Register to post, see what you've read, and subscribe to topics.
JPBARNA
JPBARNA
216 posts
216 posts
7 Aug 2023 2:43pm
Hi, I have an old Slalom sail that is specc'ed to use a 460 mast with no extension. The sail is variotop and as I bought a better 75% carbon mast that's much lighter than my original 25% carbon 460 I was wondering if using this combination will work OK. The idea is to let 30cm of space on top using the Variotop. Any ideas? Thanks!
Maui74
Maui74
12 posts
12 posts
8 Aug 2023 12:39am
You can do it as temporary solution. in the long term the stiffer 490 will break the vario top webbing .so I would suggest you to get a 460
SeanAUS120
SeanAUS120
QLD
769 posts
QLD, 769 posts
8 Aug 2023 2:41am
JPBARNA said..
Hi, I have an old Slalom sail that is specc'ed to use a 460 mast with no extension. The sail is variotop and as I bought a better 75% carbon mast that's much lighter than my original 25% carbon 460 I was wondering if using this combination will work OK. The idea is to let 30cm of space on top using the Variotop. Any ideas? Thanks!



Are the masts the same brand?

When you put a longer mast in a sail you end up with a much stiffer rig (can't get the leach to twist off as much, rig is a bit heavier and pumping feels less responsive). It depends on your sail, sometimes this can be a good thing if you found your sail a bit too soft ... it's a real person preference thing.

The other thing is you are jumping from a 25% to 75% carbon mast and that's a big jump. More carbon means lighter weight and more responsiveness (ie, when you pump the mast flicks back quicker) which makes a big difference to your sail's performance. You might find the benefits of a 75% mast outweigh the negatives of a longer mast. Go try it!
JPBARNA
JPBARNA
216 posts
216 posts
8 Aug 2023 3:21am
SeanAUS120 said..


JPBARNA said..
Hi, I have an old Slalom sail that is specc'ed to use a 460 mast with no extension. The sail is variotop and as I bought a better 75% carbon mast that's much lighter than my original 25% carbon 460 I was wondering if using this combination will work OK. The idea is to let 30cm of space on top using the Variotop. Any ideas? Thanks!





Are the masts the same brand?

When you put a longer mast in a sail you end up with a much stiffer rig (can't get the leach to twist off as much, rig is a bit heavier and pumping feels less responsive). It depends on your sail, sometimes this can be a good thing if you found your sail a bit too soft ... it's a real person preference thing.

The other thing is you are jumping from a 25% to 75% carbon mast and that's a big jump. More carbon means lighter weight and more responsiveness (ie, when you pump the mast flicks back quicker) which makes a big difference to your sail's performance. You might find the benefits of a 75% mast outweigh the negatives of a longer mast. Go try it!



Both are cheap Decathlon Masts so the 25 carbon feels like 25 concrete and the 75 one is really more responsive and way much lighter. I don't know if it is harder or not. One es 25ICMS and the other is 28ICMS (the 75% carbon). Thanks!
JPBARNA
JPBARNA
216 posts
216 posts
8 Aug 2023 3:28am
The specs of the sail ask for a 25ICMS mast but I hate the weight it has :-)
windfred
windfred
65 posts
65 posts
8 Aug 2023 8:30am
I dunno, if I'm going to spend a small fortune on a sail I'm definitely going to get the recommended mast to get the most out of the sail.
SeanAUS120
SeanAUS120
QLD
769 posts
QLD, 769 posts
8 Aug 2023 5:40pm


JPBARNA said..



Both are cheap Decathlon Masts so the 25 carbon feels like 25 concrete and the 75 one is really more responsive and way much lighter. I don't know if it is harder or not. One es 25ICMS and the other is 28ICMS (the 75% carbon). Thanks!



Have to test it!

Impossible to say honestly. Sails are purposely designed around a specific bend profile of a mast and the more downhaul you need for a sail, the more critical the bend profile of the mast becomes. eg, most modern race sails cannot even be rigged on another brand of mast as the mast just won't bend in the right way to even get the correct downhaul. On wave/no-cam sails this is less pronounced; but still applies! So it's not always as simple as buying another mast... should really be the "correct" brand of mast for the sail.

But you can get lucky! Go and try it and see if it works.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23726 posts
WA, 23726 posts
8 Aug 2023 4:37pm
Firstly, how old is old......I gather not very old as a 6.7 on a 460 ish luff is not a 1990's sail...... but slalom means cams and that is my concern here - diameter.



Manuel7
Manuel7
1354 posts
1354 posts
9 Aug 2023 7:09am
It might be a bit stiff for the sail unless the sail is older and ask for a stronger imcs rating.
Please Register, or first...
Topics Subscribe Reply