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RogerJack
RogerJack
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RogerJack RogerJack
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14 Aug 2007 7:25pm
Any of you guys use weed fins this past season and have some comments on yours? I'm specifically interested in the True Ames Blade, Orca weedride and Tangent Reaper.
keef
keef
NSW
2016 posts
keef keef
NSW, 2016 posts
15 Aug 2007 12:50am
yep ive got a leading edge , its in photo"s well thats what i was told
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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decrepit decrepit
WA, 12885 posts
14 Aug 2007 11:11pm
OMG that's ugly!!!
Bet it doesn't look like that now but.
eastofoz
eastofoz
20 posts
eastofoz eastofoz
20 posts
15 Aug 2007 1:18am
quote:
Originally posted by RogerJack

Any of you guys use weed fins this past season and have some comments on yours? I'm specifically interested in the True Ames Blade, Orca weedride and Tangent Reaper.


Back for another spanking Brucie? Now that you've been cut from the *board forums you've come back downunder? Funny that you should sign on as RogerJack.

You pose an interesting weed fin question. Perhaps you should read your own answer that you posted on rec.windsurfing groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.windsurfing/IM4nu-wNexU/nGKcTKR24egJ just days ago.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
decrepit decrepit
WA, 12885 posts
15 Aug 2007 10:46am
Wait for it, -----
Now we get the "I'm not Brucie denial thing"
JESUS
JESUS
WA
150 posts
JESUS JESUS
WA, 150 posts
15 Aug 2007 11:10am
I hear they have taken the word "GULLIBLE" out of the dictionary
The Grinch
The Grinch
WA
733 posts
The Grinch The Grinch
WA, 733 posts
15 Aug 2007 12:44pm

I don't mind talking about weed fins anyway.
Interesting subject.
How do you reckon they work in waves as opposed to an all out wave fin?

I got a 22cm on my evo 75L and I'll be buggered if I can get my board upwind sailing with it with my 4.5m or 5.2m. So I'm looking for a 24/25 cm weed or wave. I'm 75 kg.
Anywone else of a similar weight and has a similar board? If sop what size fin u using?



easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
easty easty
TAS, 2213 posts
15 Aug 2007 3:12pm
Grinch, I've got an Evo 80, I'm 73Kg (75 with wettie), and am using the supplied Drake Wave 22 with a 5.0, and am surprised how well it goes upwind. No experience with weed fins though.
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WINDY MILLER WINDY MILLER
WA, 3183 posts
15 Aug 2007 7:09pm
i think juicey is using true ames semi weedys on his twin fin... he seemd so be going ok that day at port beach slsc when there were blankets of thick weed everywhere, for me and gazza it was like trying to make it out through a shore break of marshmellow jelly.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
decrepit decrepit
WA, 12885 posts
15 Aug 2007 7:17pm
quote:
Originally posted by The Grinch



How do you reckon they work in waves as opposed to an all out wave fin?
-----
Anywone else of a similar weight and has a similar board? If sop what size fin u using?


Hardie and Elmo use them in the waves and swear by them.
RogerJack
RogerJack
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RogerJack RogerJack
11 posts
15 Aug 2007 7:42pm
My weeders are light air, salt water ones. I've had the most success with the Orca freeride 40 in a Tuttle, and bought a second one for a powerbox board. Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance of using this board lately. The Orca has the steepest rake angle which handles the most gnarly weeds hereabouts. I've used the True Ames Blade with older boards to some success so I also picked one up for the powerbox. However, it has a rake angle identical to the Tangent Reaper which catches this weed. (I'ld to find out what the name of it is. Anyone know about a catalogue of seaweed on the net? I'm going to try to Google seaweed.) By the way, I've been a reader of this forum from time to time over the years and know that there's a lot of silly nonsense posted on it. Don't expect me to read yours.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
decrepit decrepit
WA, 12885 posts
15 Aug 2007 8:24pm
quote:
Originally posted by RogerJack

------I've been a reader of this forum from time to time over the years and know that there's a lot of silly nonsense posted on it. Don't expect me to read yours.


Hmmm, how do you know it's silly nonsense till you read it???
Are you psychic or something?
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
easty easty
TAS, 2213 posts
15 Aug 2007 11:21pm
RogerJack -?????- Is that J Roger??? - A Jolly Roger Forum Pirate
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
elmo elmo
WA, 8894 posts
15 Aug 2007 9:35pm
quote:
Originally posted by RogerJack

By the way, I've been a reader of this forum from time to time over the years and know that there's a lot of silly nonsense posted on it. Don't expect me to read yours.


Thats the Brucie Quote we've been waiting for.

Such wonderful logic

How you going with your Fin sanding question on Iwindurf
http://forums.iwindsurf.com/viewtopic.php?t=12997&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
or same question on Starboard
www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2440

Or another of your Fin questions
www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2307

Or another
www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2237

Or your post on boom height
forums.iwindsurf.com/viewtopic.php?t=12978&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Then asking about boom height

www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2139

Brucie forever sanding his fin to make handshandies

frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
frant frant
VIC, 1230 posts
16 Aug 2007 10:04am
Now there is a RogerJack(son)as a panelist on the *board website. Seems to be a pretty knowlegable windsurfing instructor who has certainly given me some good advice on the *b forum. He sounds like the type of guy who wouldn't blow his own trumpet and might also canvas some considered opinion of other windsurfers. Maybe we can actually learn something here.I use a 30cm Select weedfin and a 26cm Flying Objects weedfin for speed. The FO fin lets go without warning and is almost impossible to pull back once released. My GPS max of 35.2 knots occured at the start of a run while bearing away and accelerating. Terminated with the fin letting go with a bang and me doing the harness line extraction bit. Same thing happened at about 33 knots around the same time. Haven,t had a similar GPS max (no wind) since. There were a lot of eels in the lake at that time and I found half an eel washed up on the beach the next day. Also noticed some huge clumps of kelp carried in from the ocean floating around. While no fin could cope with hitting either of these obstacles which is the best speed weed fin.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
Pugwash Pugwash
WA, 7733 posts
16 Aug 2007 8:35am
How do I know if my weeders are for light air and salt water I am now very concerned that I have the wrong ones. Are light air and salt water weeders the best for cutting eels in half Should I be using a different type of weeder for eel cutting

Confused

BTW, Dr Pugwash's recommendations for good health on the blahboard forum are interesting Not sure about the dodgy user name though!
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
elmo elmo
WA, 8894 posts
16 Aug 2007 10:22am
To answer a couple of questions

Weed fins for waves

After having a lot of problems (cavitation) with various wave fins and from my (lack of correct) technique The Hardie Fella put us on to Weedies and I haven't looked back.
The reality is I'm not the best wave rider in the world so a more capable person would possibly notice a difference, but I find them perfectly ok for what I do, they turn, jump and land ok with less spin out issues (they also recover easier).
Big benefit for me is in summer when the Avalon area has a couple of thousand Cray puts with long floating lines you can sail straight over the top.

Weed Fins for Speed.

Tricky one here, Hardies run is a weedy run with weed right to the surface in a fair amount of it, so a weedie is a necessity.
On my Mistral Flow (powerbox) I've hit a 70kmh peak with a bog standard 33cm JP weed fin.

A lot of people swear by the Leading Edge units for racing and they work really well for them but may be getting a bit hard to find (try 2nd wind).

For speed I have recently started rebasing JP G10 Slalom fins into weed fins, These fins are not to bad as a Slalom fin and make a very effective weedy once raked back.

My latest effort was converting a 32cm and raking it 45º, this left me with a 23cm speed weed which I've used with sails up to 6.7m on fairly choppy water and has given me 38knots on GPS, I think for my next one I won't rake back quite so much (30-35º).

I have a strong preference to G10 vs Carbon as I'm regularly depth checking when I come in and G10 cleans up easier.

Hope this helps
RogerJack
RogerJack
11 posts
RogerJack RogerJack
11 posts
16 Aug 2007 10:23pm
Thanks for the responses. I had an odd experience recently, I was overpowered and rigged down. However, I kept the large weedfin I was using. On my return reach fully in the straps with the smaller sail I experienced tailwalking for the first time. I changed the fin to a smaller more raked weeder and this stopped the tailwalking. I hadn't experienced the tailwalking with the larger sail and fin. Seems like the smaller sail might have been a factor. It wasn't rigged to spill as much wind as the bigger one. Could I have put in more downhaul and corrected the tailwalking?
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
decrepit decrepit
WA, 12885 posts
16 Aug 2007 10:30pm
quote:
Originally posted by frant

Now there is a RogerJack(son)as a panelist on the *board website. Seems to be a pretty knowlegable windsurfing instructor -----------


Somehow don't think this is the same guy!
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
elmo elmo
WA, 8894 posts
16 Aug 2007 11:01pm
quote:
Originally posted by RogerJack

Thanks for the responses. I had an odd experience recently, I was overpowered and rigged down. However, I kept the large weedfin I was using. On my return reach fully in the straps with the smaller sail I experienced tailwalking for the first time. I changed the fin to a smaller more raked weeder and this stopped the tailwalking. I hadn't experienced the tailwalking with the larger sail and fin. Seems like the smaller sail might have been a factor. It wasn't rigged to spill as much wind as the bigger one. Could I have put in more downhaul and corrected the tailwalking?


Swifty

www.seabreeze.com.au/Members/Profile/Details.aspx?member=cosmicharlie

The problem you refer to is called PEBCAK

Other problems originate from sanding your fin to much, I think someone once referred to it as making a hand shandy or feeding the chickens.

The problem is that you had the harness lines fitted to the wrong side, this puts undue pressure on the back foot making the board want to become the front of the board.

This can quite simply be resolved by drilling holes in your fin starting at 1-1/2" and progressively getting smaller as you get to the tip this has to be done precisely otherwise you will have a Beachdoser fin which even a WSGay couldn't do anything with.

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Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
Mark _australia Mark _australia
WA, 23684 posts
16 Aug 2007 11:16pm
quote:
Originally posted by RogerJack

My weeders are light air, salt water ones.


Please tell me the difference between fresh water and salt water fins? I've been sailing for 17 yrs and have never heard of it?

Brucie, I think your only experience of salt vs fresh water is gargling with the latter to wash out the taste of the creamy version of the former you p00f.

(PS: Elmo, good form, love it)
RogerJack
RogerJack
11 posts
RogerJack RogerJack
11 posts
17 Aug 2007 7:23am
I knew you people live in a far away land, but I did think we spoke the same language.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
nebbian nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
17 Aug 2007 7:36am
quote:
Originally posted by elmo

The problem you refer to is called PEBCAK




Ah shooting sitting ducks... it never stops being funny
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
MikeyS MikeyS
VIC, 1509 posts
17 Aug 2007 10:18am
Spotting Brucie is a bit like playing "Where's Wally". You think he (or she, on occasion??) is hiding somewhere, but he reveals himself with signature clues. Bruce, you're a laugh!
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
elmo elmo
WA, 8894 posts
17 Aug 2007 8:38am
quote:
Originally posted by RogerJack

I knew you people live in a far away land, but I did think we spoke the same language.


We don't speak your language, We speak Australian

To save you typing this all again I copied it from the *board forum
http://www.star-board.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1571&page=2


WSguy
Member
Old 05-09-2007, 05:03 AM #14

Futhermore, when it comes to the rather stupid and nasty posting on Seabreeze that I have not read, let me give you my opinion of Australians in general. We in the states have a way of glamourizing them in the sense that they are "rugged", "outback adventurers". This appeals to many american's rather naive and simplistic attitudes towards the frontiers of civilization. Actually, most Australians are rather Provincial, Ignorant and Crude. Rather than being great outdoorsmen, I have realized that they are nothing more than a pack of dumb bumkins. Certainly, there are exceptions. The level of education there and amongst most windsurfers can't be seen as any more than ridiculous. Australians seem to know more about sheep dip than they do about onion dip. Anyone who picks up on the posting of this mentally ill stalker and buys it hook-line-and-sinker has my true pity. Ignorance is bliss, though, and @ssholes are like mushrooms, they just keep poping up. Finally, I just heard on the Paris Radio that 80 per cent of Australians exports go to the U.S. Windsurfers are like many of our inventions and technologies, they are taken up by our economic colonies and the dirty work of producing them for consumption falls to our vassals.

frant
frant
VIC
1230 posts
frant frant
VIC, 1230 posts
17 Aug 2007 10:40am
Elmo, I have thought about converting slalom fins to weed fins myself. How do you configure the tuttle head? I had planned to machine the fin flat and fit it into a Select replaceable head. It would be a lot easier to cast an epoxy head but would necessitate fabricating a mould.

I don't play where's Wally so I wont play who's RogerJack but you might have a point.
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
elmo elmo
WA, 8894 posts
17 Aug 2007 8:51am
quote:
Originally posted by frant

Elmo, I have thought about converting slalom fins to weed fins myself. How do you configure the tuttle head? I had planned to machine the fin flat and fit it into a Select replaceable head. It would be a lot easier to cast an epoxy head but would necessitate fabricating a mould.

I don't play where's Wally so I wont play who's RogerJack but you might have a point.


Frant

Using the Select "converta" Base (whatever it's called) is how I did it as well as I was experimenting to see if it would work.

The only problem I see with the Select method is you actually have to thin down the base of the fin to fit it into the adaptor which at the end of the day will weaken it.

When fitting the head to the Select base you still have to put some epoxy into it just to make sure there is no movement.

Now that I have found a workable option for better speed weed fins I think for my next one I will make up a mould and cast the base properly.
whippingboy
whippingboy
WA
1104 posts
whippingboy whippingboy
WA, 1104 posts
17 Aug 2007 1:00pm
I see there's a fin called the 'Weed Burner'
That's what the Ex calls me [}:)]
puffin
puffin
235 posts
puffin puffin
235 posts
17 Aug 2007 10:48pm
Roger Jackson is indeed an informed and incredibly generous windsurfer, particularly when it comes to sharing information. However, bruce/cosmic/snowy etc has taken to targeting Roger. See this thread:
groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.windsurfing/sHa_y3A1G3k

in which Sailquik is Roger Jackson, and "rogerjack@ss" is bruce.

quote:
Originally posted by frant

Now there is a RogerJack(son)as a panelist on the *board website. Seems to be a pretty knowlegable windsurfing instructor who has certainly given me some good advice on the *b forum. He sounds like the type of guy who wouldn't blow his own trumpet and might also canvas some considered opinion of other windsurfers.
Wet Willy
Wet Willy
TAS
2317 posts
Wet Willy Wet Willy
TAS, 2317 posts
19 Aug 2007 7:09pm
quote:
Originally posted by RogerJack


Futhermore ... let me give you my opinion of Australians in general....The level of education there and amongst most windsurfers can't be seen as any more than ridiculous....



I luv reeding and Im' sew glad I lerned two doo it from a very yung age. This is fun. And I luv Amerrica. God bless mickey mouse. Arnold Schwortzenzeeger is my hero and I'm so glad they made him prestident.
RogerJack
RogerJack
11 posts
RogerJack RogerJack
11 posts
21 Aug 2007 11:14pm
Puffin, it seems to me that if you knew more about windsurfing than you did about this Bruce of yours, you would be better off. If you were smart you'ld concentrate on the useful iformation presented here and not the persons that present it. Consequently, we can assume that you and the others posting so regularly here and on other windsurfing forums regarding personalities aren't very smart. I had hoped we could share some experiences about weedfins. It seems from your posting, you people know nothing about them.
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