Windsurfing Injuries

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nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
22 Dec 2005 8:28pm
So there I was, happy as a pig in mud, planing along in the straps, trying to get further along with my gybes in that lovely 15 knots today, when I catapulted. I'm pretty good at catapulting, I've had lots of practice, but this was my first catapult in the straps and my front foot didn't come out, which meant that I went one way and my knee went the other. I felt something snap or click as it happened, I was scared it was a bone but I can still walk... just.
That was so frustrating, having to drive away from a 15 knot northerly, when they're so rare round here!

Along with my cracked rib two weeks ago I'm starting to think that windsurfing is a pretty dangerous sport!!

What's the worst that's happened to you? (Please make me feel better while I'm off the water, right when those big northerlies are here!!)

Ben
Bladez
Bladez
NSW
95 posts
NSW, 95 posts
22 Dec 2005 11:34pm
Most commonly known as the uwi, unidentified windsurfing injury.

My worst would probably be missing my back footstrap and riping my toenail off on it. Although I didn't realise I did it until I finished windsurfing an hour later.
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
22 Dec 2005 8:54pm
Bad luck Nebbian know how you feel, you can certainly get injured in this sport, especialy when learning.

Mine happened when I was just a little bit further along the learning curve than you. I'd made good progress with my jumps over summer and was quite confident in my ability to achieve a reasonable landing. So first winter blast I had now hesitation of "going for it" when a head high ramp came my way. Got stacks of air! the went for the nice soft back first landing, trouble was it was opposite tack to summer! Nobody had told me all the controls are back to front. Went into a power dive instead, my knees came up around my ears, and my whole body was vibrating, just rested in the water for 5mins, managed to sail to shore, drive home and have a shower, but after that I couldn't move, was on crutches for 2 weeks, just about better, when I one leg gave way half way down some stairs, that kept me on crutches for another couple of weeks.
I'm still not confident jumping on opposite tack, take it very carefully.
drjukka
drjukka
QLD
258 posts
QLD, 258 posts
22 Dec 2005 11:34pm
Nebbian,

I've been sailing for 20+ years and have follwing war wounds to report.

- Broken Ribs - 2x - The bottom 2 ribs on my left side and the bottom rib on my right side - both the result of serious catapaults.

Serious pain for a few weeks after both of these incidents (both resulted in bent/broken spreader bars and totalled booms).

Broken foot - don't know how it happened but I could not walk or put a shoe on for weeks - doc's could do nothing.

Bruised shin bone when I hit a sand bank - ouch at full speed (25 knots plus) - cricket ball sized bruise on my shin - doc says I was lucky not to break my leg!!!

Broken big toe - foot slipped out of the front foot stap mid jump and when I landed it jammed back in - only my big toe missed the strap - flexed back and ended up chipping a piece of bone off the toe socket. - this is a nasty injury as there is litte they can do. They basically let the bone dissolve away resulting in a sore toe for > 1 year - surgery would have involved pins, longer recovery time and greater risk of infection and no guarantee of bone mending.

I sailed on for about an hour after doing this. About 3 hours later I was totally crippled in pain.

FYI- had a made who ruptured his eardrum x2 learning backward loops -landing flat on his side.

- J
leski
leski
NSW
661 posts
NSW, 661 posts
23 Dec 2005 12:55am
- broken ribs (2 times)= falling on boom/mast
- cut/hole in head = falling on mast
- twisted ankle and knee ligaments = one foot got stuck in the footstrap when getting eaten by a 3m+ wave in Morroco.(and I spend the following 3 weeks watching my mates windsurfing which hurts even more, but I was also meditating a lot which helps)

ah yeah and also sea-urchins spines in my foot (time 50 this one)
does this count? maybe not but it bloody hurts when you have to walk on it.
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
22 Dec 2005 10:17pm
Broken Fibula, dislocated ankle, 3 Hospitalisations, bruised ribs, torn ligaments in wrist.
ju_724
ju_724
231 posts
231 posts
22 Dec 2005 10:18pm
how painful is a broken rib om a scale of 1 - 10??? i've never had one, does it hurt when you fart etc ??
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
WA, 7733 posts
22 Dec 2005 10:22pm
Scratched foot

Mild sun burn

Paper cut
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
22 Dec 2005 10:23pm
Broken ribs only hurt when you have to breathe, it's excrutiating 15,000 times a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
23 Dec 2005 12:31am
Most common annoying one for me would have to be deep cuts on feet from coral, sharp rocks, bottles, discarded knives, syringes, angry fish etc

Injury which scares me the most- being knocked out. Thankfully I didnt drown, was a damn long swim to get my gear in 30 knots.

Box jellyfish, hurt like hell and I slept for 40 hours (literally woke up thinking it was the next day... wha, what happened to sunday).

Face planted boom, looked like a moron at work for a couple of days.

Twisted knee ligament, that knee sucks anyway so didnt give it much rest.

Thats all in 10 years of sailing.
ducati
ducati
QLD
474 posts
QLD, 474 posts
23 Dec 2005 12:57am
AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHhhhh my injuries are worse than all of yours
dislocated brain, sprained heart due to lack of wind on days off
and most chronic of all severe anxiety attacks when ya have to work on a windy day
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
22 Dec 2005 10:58pm
Wow, thanks for all the replies, I don't feel like so much of a klutz now Still angry at myself for not taking that foot out though. I might need crutches tomorrow, this knee has just about locked up solid now, can't sleep as it's too painful. Ouch

quote:
Injury which scares me the most- being knocked out. Thankfully I didnt drown, was a damn long swim to get my gear in 30 knots.

Yikes!

Thank evolution/intelligent design for the subconscious reflex which prevents your lips opening when there's cold water on your lips. I used to do spearfishing and there's something called "shallow water blackout" which happens if you stay down too long, basically you black out within 5m of the surface. If you still have the snorkel in your mouth then you drown, if you have pulled the snorkel out of your mouth before you black out then you usually live. Scary stuff
patsken
patsken
WA
717 posts
WA, 717 posts
22 Dec 2005 11:10pm
broke board 26th Jan '05 --- broke left knee ( torn medial ligament & bruised bone ) 27th jan '05 while test riding prospective new boards without adjusting straps on a big jump ( for Dutchies ) and hard landing.... it hurt badddd.
Fieldie
Fieldie
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
22 Dec 2005 11:17pm
Crikey Nebbian! Good luck with it bloke!!!! The knees are definately a design fault!
I broke toe next to the big toe slamming foot into bottom of mast (CLUMSY GIT!). Was off the water for about a week, strapping it to the other for support for months on and off the water. It only aches when it gets cold nowadays.
qwerty
qwerty
NSW
807 posts
NSW, 807 posts
23 Dec 2005 8:47am
3 dislocated shoulders (3rd one happened right at the start of last season, so I know just how happy you are).

I've also suffered from shrunken testicles when not trying things I should. I will rectify that this season.
ducati
ducati
QLD
474 posts
QLD, 474 posts
23 Dec 2005 8:28am
OOOHhhh and did i mention the severe depression i suffered when I thought I was going fast on my new gear and someone powered past me on old s*** ??
........and then there was the time when someone elses flouro sail was prettier than mine ............sigh I need counselling
Yousurf
Yousurf
WA
165 posts
WA, 165 posts
23 Dec 2005 8:25am
I snapped in half once - Bruce Reid style and my friends taped me back together. Haven't had a problem since.
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
23 Dec 2005 1:52pm
Dislocated shoulders. It's a bitch to change gears driving to casualty.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
23 Dec 2005 12:23pm
Am on crutches now, torn medial ligament, hopefully will get better by the time I do a 7 day hike in Tassie in January... (planned it all beforehand and booked everything) but will be off the water for at least a month!

How do you dislocate a shoulder when windsurfing?
Bad catapult? I'm morbidly curious!
qldsalty
qldsalty
QLD
299 posts
QLD, 299 posts
23 Dec 2005 4:03pm
Nebbian Tore my medial Colateral Ligament in early oct. With constant exercises from physo i'm only just able to sail flat water now with a few chop hops. It takes time
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
23 Dec 2005 2:43pm
Yer well ive given a few out, only to zig zagging kiting tea bagging wind puppets.
Oh Merry xMAS I promise to be good to other water users.
ducati
ducati
QLD
474 posts
QLD, 474 posts
23 Dec 2005 7:39pm
Hey Ben now U're laid up n all it may be time to think about avoiding any future catapaults......
Most importantly Don't get in the harness too quick, when U get planing get in the straps first and then hook in. (if ure not in the harness you can't get catapaulted
If you feel your overpowered in the gusts heapz o downhaul, (when the gust hits the top of the sail lays off better thus absorbing the sudden power and makes the sail more aerodynamic and not like a beach umbrella) go back to shore and adjust downhaul till at least the third batten from the top lays off and maybe a bit of positive outhaul as well(but don't kill it)
Secondly higher boom gives you better leverage n more control also adjust harness lines to suit and maybe try a waist harness to get out of it quicker
Third anticipate the gusts if u're planing,hooked in and in the straps your usually ok if not you should't be in the harness and just sheet out.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
23 Dec 2005 7:18pm
Hi Ducati!

I'm pretty confident in the harness, this particular catapult was caused by me trying to head too much upwind while in the straps. I was planing along for a good 10 seconds in the harness and footstraps, realised I was heading too much downwind so leant forwards, leant the sail forwards a bit more and railed up... the problem is that the footstraps are a lot further back than where I usually stand so didn't have the 'brace force' I usually have. Probably could have controlled it if I was quicker to realise what was going on and sheeted out more, but hindsight is always 20/20. Guy Cribb says to put your front hand close to the harness lines to get the sail forward more so I was trying that, it probably contributed to me not being able to sheet out quick enough.

I put in as much downhaul as I physically can, this means tying a bowline in the downhaul rope, threading my harness bar through this loop, putting my foot on the mast foot and hauling like an olympic rower. The third batten is well clear of the mast, had a fair bit of outhaul as well, the sail was twisting nicely, the top of the leech was as floppy as a piece of wet spaghetti (the way it should be). The floppiness extends down to the batten that's one above the boom.

I use a waist harness, the boom is set up correctly (I'm on the edge of getting lifted off the board when the sail is forwards, boom is about the middle of the cutout) and the harness lines are trimmed so that the sail is pretty neutral, slightly sheets out in gusts. I find it a lot easier to get into the harness early (before planing) then get into the straps, otherwise I'm concentrating hard on not letting the sail get away from me.

I guess it's just one of those things that happen, especially to an uncoordinated git like me... I'm getting better at anticipating the gusts but this was a case of exploring the envelope (heading upwind in the straps, never been there before) so I'll just chalk it up to experience, and be very careful next time I try it!! Next catapult in the straps I'll pull that front foot out QUICK SMART!!!!

Thanks for the advice!
potts
potts
1 posts
1 posts
25 Dec 2005 4:35pm
New starboard s-type and a completely new 2005 arrows rig. $2500
4 hour blast late spring wearing a cheap and nasty cardboard westuit from 1995 $25....

6 weeks of pneumonia, with medical bills and lost wages. $3000
Priceless



samio
samio
WA
183 posts
WA, 183 posts
26 Dec 2005 3:54pm
yeh, once i was kiting and my face exploded, it was pretty traumatic, but after i put on a bit of mabeline i was alright.
Bails
Bails
WA
158 posts
WA, 158 posts
27 Dec 2005 11:42am
I read a story in a mag about a guy who got big air off a wave but landed with the board flat in the water. He got carted off to hospital with a broken leg. His mates dragged his board back to shore and noticed a small round ding in the top of the board. The guy's shinbone had been forced out through the bottom of his foot with such force it left a hole in his board
rustbucket
rustbucket
NSW
290 posts
NSW, 290 posts
27 Dec 2005 3:07pm
Caught in a bad storm getting blown god knows where and not able to haul up a 6 meter sail and when i tried i felt a hearnia rip open but stuff it i had to get back to shore and just managed to raise sail enough to get ashore.
hearnia eventually ripped 6 inches long and a small one on other side cause i was afraid of the operation.
took 3 years to get the operation and it still dont feel fantastic.
but looks better,careful sailing only now.
made worse by short time with a vigorous girlfriend.owwwwwhhhhh who had to be avoided.
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
27 Dec 2005 3:53pm
Well, it looks like I'm in for some more downtime in the future if the stories you guys tell are to be believed!!

No way I'm stopping this sport now though, it's too much fun! I'm thinking about getting health insurance though...

Update: I'm off crutches but still can't walk very far at any one time. Knee isn't as painful as it was at the start but still hurts when flexing the joint. It feels like the ligament is back to where it should be, but there is still lots of scaffolding or something in the joint to try to reduce the movement to let it heal... I'm completely off painkillers so that I know when I'm pushing it too far.
Let this be a lesson to anyone new to the straps -- get that front foot out quick if you start to catapult!
decrepit
decrepit
WA
12885 posts
WA, 12885 posts
27 Dec 2005 6:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by nebbian

Well, it looks like I'm in for some more downtime in the future if the stories you guys tell are to be believed!!


Well not necessarily, I've sailed close to 20years now and only had the one bad incident, I'm sure lots of sailors haven't had much more than bad blisters on their hands! Sure there are horific injuries, but that can hapen in any active sport, and compared to anything else that's as much fun, I think we would come off lightly.

quote:


Let this be a lesson to anyone new to the straps -- get that front foot out quick if you start to catapult!



Sounds like you're doing the right thing with the injury, glad it's improving.
Most times I've been catapaulted badly I haven't had enought reaction time to pull my feet out, they just get ripped out of the straps! Maybe your straps were too tight?? I have mine so that I can get good grip by arching my foot, pressing heel and toes against board and top of foot against strap, when I relax my foot the strap is loose and foot slides out easily. Too loose is also dangerous, if you land a jump and your foot goes all the way thru the strap, that can break a leg!!
ducati
ducati
QLD
474 posts
QLD, 474 posts
27 Dec 2005 9:32pm
....most dangerous part of windsurfing is and always has been the drive down to the beach
so strap u're crutches to ya board and get sailing b4 ya forget how
NotWal
NotWal
QLD
7436 posts
QLD, 7436 posts
28 Dec 2005 11:55am
Yeah, you don't need 2 legs to windsurf. There are loads of one legged sailors out there. You can recognise them by the parrots on their sholders. I remember a post on rec.ws from years ago about a one legged sailor blasting along at Baja when a needle fish jumped out of the water and embedded itself in his wooden leg. He was ok but eventually toredo worm got into his leg and he fell over.

Injuries? I've only had trivial ones but I have yet to attempt a forward. Oh, I broke a tooth on a batten once. Crushed a foot under the mast a couple of weeks ago when attempting a helitack in 20 knots. It's ok now though. Twisted my knee like Ben (first time on a wide board - fell in gybing - expected board to tip up like my skinny one did but it didn't) That resulted in a minor but permanent injury to my knee. Lots of fin scrapes, bruised ribs, sore hands etc.
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