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qldsalty
qldsalty
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1 Jul 2007 10:43pm
Hey Gestalt, We just bought a Sony alpha 100 SLR digital. I also have a 300 lense from the film camera and polarising lens to go on it. Perfect for windsurfing shoots. The continuous sport mode is very fast and it hold over 400shots on highest quality setting(2gb card). I'll bring it and a tripod to the next meet at redcliffe and you can take it for a drive if you like. That shot you took at bribie of Haggar was quite good I thought. Great lighting.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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2 Jul 2007 2:14am
quote:
Originally posted by qldsalty

Hey Gestalt, We just bought a Sony alpha 100 SLR digital. I also have a 300 lense from the film camera and polarising lens to go on it. Perfect for windsurfing shoots. The continuous sport mode is very fast and it hold over 400shots on highest quality setting(2gb card). I'll bring it and a tripod to the next meet at redcliffe and you can take it for a drive if you like. That shot you took at bribie of Haggar was quite good I thought. Great lighting.



yes please. i'd appreciate that. i am keen to try some better kit.
thanks.
lanky
lanky
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2 Jul 2007 7:10am
The main reason I want a SLR as opposed to a P&S camera are the much faster Auto focus, the much better burst mode (3-6fps as opposed to P&S which are generally 2-3fps) and the abillity to use longer lenses. P&S are good but SLR's are better.
MJP68
MJP68
QLD
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3 Jul 2007 10:42am
Lanky,

One of the issues you may or may not be interested in (which hasn't been brought up yet) is the availability of a waterproof housing for the body you choose.

If you're ever planning some in-water or back-of-jetski stuff, you'll need a good housing and the appropriate ports.

I'm not saying you should base your decision solely on that, it's just worthwhile considering.

I was disappointed to learn that Olympus don't do a housing for my E500, but are doing one for the newer E410...

just my 2c.

Matt
TimB
TimB
WA
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3 Jul 2007 9:03am
Lanky,

I have an old Canon EOS 300D (way cheaper than 30D but still takes excellent photo @ 8 mega pixel)and it takes great windsurfer shots off the beach with a 300mm lens especially if you use a polarising filter (cuts the glare). The auto focus can be run using the servo function which means you can pick a sail and follow them and the camera automatically keeps them in focus. The 300D has been superseded by the 400D which I think is now 10 megapixel. Only problem is the cost of a water proof housing.

I have just bought a IXUS 800 and waterproof housing for in water shots as the cost of new camera and housing was less than the cost of the SLR housing. Can't wait to try it out at Cocos later this month. Challenge now is to build a mast mount. It will take video as well.
firiebob
firiebob
WA
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3 Jul 2007 9:26am
Hi Lanky,

Sounds to me you have your mind made up, so go with your heart or you wont be happy mate. Have a look at a web site called DP Review. google it, has heaps of pro reviews on most cameras. They also have very good forums for each camera make, prowl there and even ask questions, normally very helpful like here.

For me, I've had expensive SLR film cameras, got sick of all the cr*p I carried around. I now have a Panasonic FZ30 with 12x zoom, fantastic camera for me, very good zoom, image stabilized, quick manual zoom ring on lens and photos come out great. I have mates with some very expensive DSLR's, but on my 19" LCD monitor I fail to see any difference with photos taken in good light. The DSLR will defently be better in low light. Also in burst mode, you wont lose your subject with a DSLR.
Now here's the thing, I carry my camera all the time in a bag in my car. When I want to get a couple of quick shots after a sail etc, I just grab it and shoot, easy. My Mates with DSLR's don't even have their cameras with them most of the time, too much trouble.

Anyway Lanky, just my 2c worth, get what suits you and enjoy your camera
Crash Landing
Crash Landing
NSW
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3 Jul 2007 12:39pm
I bought the Olympus Mju770sw underwater camera about a month ago for windsurfing, snorkelling and snowboarding. The plan is to take it onto the water and take photos whilst sat on my board. it seems pretty good and i have uploaded some shots of a shark at Shelly beach (the lighting was terrible and it was 10 metres away) and a photo of Townie on the surface that shows how good the close up detail is.

It also records 2 hours of good quality video!!

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5048&shownew=on
www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=5049&shownew=on
Gestalt
Gestalt
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4 Jul 2007 2:58pm
quote:
Originally posted by lanky

The main reason I want a SLR as opposed to a P&S camera are the much faster Auto focus, the much better burst mode (3-6fps as opposed to P&S which are generally 2-3fps) and the abillity to use longer lenses. P&S are good but SLR's are better.



hi lanky,

seems you know what you want so go for it. we're just giving opinions and everyone has there own personal astes. for me i'd like a canon to but like everything in life cost comes into it.

after much looking myself i've decided on a finepix s6500fd. i can't quite get to the canon range.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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4 Jul 2007 3:47pm
lense filters.

i was curious as to what people are using on their lenses.

what works best for windsurfing.

UV filter
Polarising filter
graduated grey filter.

i am curious about the graduated grey filters because in my shots the sky is over exposed and the water under exposed. but i will probably do this in photoshop.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
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4 Jul 2007 1:54pm
Gesty, I am using a Hoya Polarising filter which seems to work pretty well.
Must admit though, I am still coming to grips with the options and just generally using the camera.

The view through the lens certainly looks better when using the filter so I assume the pics are coming out better. Being polarising, you have to twist it around until you get the best filtration.
Most of our shots here are in the afternoon, which unfortunately is usually directly into the sun.

The filter was given to me by the chief photographer here at the newspaper, so I guess he would have a bit of an idea
Heres a site which contains some good info on the filters.

edit: oops missed the link http://dvdreamtime.com.au/hoya-filters-c-73.html
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
3580 posts
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4 Jul 2007 3:41pm
quote:


UV filter
Polarising filter
graduated grey filter.




I would ALWAYS use a UV filter on a lens. ALWAYS! To replace a good quality hoya filter costs $100, to replace a good quality lens wrecked by fine sand and spray would cost at least a couple of grand.

Re shooting with polarisers this really depends on a number of factors. If you shoot say midday in WA a polarizer does wonders. If you shoot late afternoon a polarizer is most likely going to confuse your cameras auto white balance and produce some unpredictable color ranges.

If you shooting on a gray and overcast day can still produce some nice shots as long as the shots are well exposed. This will allow you to crank the contrast to bring back some vibrance. Don't expect to do this with images produced by a consumer camera. There is a reason why Canons 1D range cameras generally produce neutral looking photos straight out of camera. This will preserve maximum dynamic range and will allow for most tweaking in post production.

quote:

in my shots the sky is over exposed and the water under exposed.



If you are shooting into the light even the best filter won't help you with this problem. The difference in light between darkest and lightest area in you image would be between 4 and 6 stops which currently no camera that I know off can resolve. You only choice in that case is to shoot the subject in a 45 degree angle if shooting from the beach... at the end of the day it all depends on what your intendet look for the final image is.

Don't expect to produce great shots like you see in overseas magazines simply by having you camera in "dummy" mode and standing stationary on the beach.
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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4 Jul 2007 3:50pm
in addition to my post here a few shots I took on a grayish day illustrating my comment re tweaking contrast:







FYI, all photos shot with Canon 1d Mark II + 500mm F4 lens
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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4 Jul 2007 3:56pm
here some samples of shots taken mid afternoon - no polarizer





FYI, all photos shot with Canon 1d Mark II + 500mm F4 lens
Haircut
Haircut
QLD
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4 Jul 2007 7:51pm
Getsalt - here's the same shots with and without a hoya green circular polariser. A UV filter was used in both shots. Apart from the other known benefits of polarisers, under certain conditions foliage tends to look a bit greener when one is used and shaddowing is reduced

without





with





I haven't used filters much, but if you are like me and want to try things on the cheap u could do what i do with the work stuff and tape the UV filter to the barrel as they are small and weigh virtually nothing, then u can attach/remove the polariser as needed. The filters I bought are 49mm el-cheapo green label hoyas and the two together cost $45. Uv = $15 and circpol = $30 from JB Hi-Fi

pic of filters taped on





just to extend on what stehsegler has already mentioned, due to the polariser reducing the light somewhat, your autofocus might hunt around a bit longer trying to find a focal point, particularly if it is used on a cheaper cameras that uses the contrast method for focus, even if you use a circular polariser and not just a linear type. Leaving filters on (which i do with the uv filter) will often cause some extra lens flaring when shooting into the sun, but your gonna get some anyway unless you use a prime lens with minimal elements

Gestalt
Gestalt
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4 Jul 2007 9:52pm
i have done some searching online and come across a polarizing effect that can be done in photoshop.

i tried it on a few photos and got good results.

of course a camera filter would be better but this is good for post production.

www.photoshoptutorials.ws/other-tutorials/photography-tutorials/polarizing-filter/

snides8
snides8
WA
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4 Jul 2007 7:58pm
sorry to butt in guys, but can anyone comment on shooting with different fle formats? - jpg v raw ?
i know raw creates very large file sizes as it is uncompressed info and i am led to believe its good for post editing in photoshop etc.
what file format do the pro sports photographers use?
(p.s i am using a panasonic fz50)
Gestalt
Gestalt
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4 Jul 2007 10:13pm
raw is better i would think.

i work with some outstanding architectural photographers and raw is all they will use.


Haircut
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4 Jul 2007 10:42pm
quote:
Originally posted by snides8

sorry to butt in guys, but can anyone comment on shooting with different fle formats? - jpg v raw ?
i know raw creates very large file sizes as it is uncompressed info and i am led to believe its good for post editing in photoshop etc.
what file format do the pro sports photographers use?
(p.s i am using a panasonic fz50)



you've pretty much summed it up there. Raw is supposed to give you a pre in-camera-processing output (no noise reduction / no jpeg compression). Depending on the camera, the burst mode rate may be drastically reduced due the buffering time needed to store the extra large files raw produces. You might find it looks better or worse depending on how well the camera's inbuilt processing interpretted the image and what it was supposed to reduce the noise for and how well the jpg compression interprets the contrasting borders etc (possibly resulting in too many unwanted jpeg artifacts). Fz50 is one of the few superzooms to offer raw output which IMHO is a great thing
Gestalt
Gestalt
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4 Jul 2007 11:13pm
i'm not sure if that's on the money haircut.

tiff would give you a slow down but raw is not supposed to affect the camera speed.

i think?
Haircut
Haircut
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4 Jul 2007 11:19pm
generally - if the file size is bigger it will take more time to store. it may either reduce the number of consecutive shots before storing to card is needed (size of in-built buffer), or it will affect the time taken per shot (depending on the camera)

tiff can be a slightly compressed file that can be lossless or lossy depending on the format (LZH/W & G3 compression option in some software), so the filesize can be smaller than raw but it takes time for the processor to compress it before storing it. Depending on the camera it may balance out to be the same time

i think
i like this nerdy talk
Haircut
Haircut
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4 Jul 2007 11:54pm
btw - u coming to wello tomorrow?
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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4 Jul 2007 11:11pm
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

raw is better i would think.

i work with some outstanding architectural photographers and raw is all they will use.




Shooting RAW or not generally depends on what you are shooting. EG when I do work for advertising agencies I usually shoot RAW for post production and JPG for on site quick review by the creative director. There are JPG shortcomings but it will allow you to discuss composition and intend with the creative director without length waits on processing RAW files.

When I do sports stuff I usually shoot JPG at 85% compression and neutral file progressing (read no saturation, contrast etc. adjustment). When you shoot 5000 plus photos in a session it simply doesn't make much sense to shoot raw, especially if your output only goes into a magazine. I have seen some billboard size prints done for Ripcurl which where produced from JPGs. You can see the quality issues if you know what you are looking for. Most punters however only know photography from their crappy point and shoots so thin the shots are great shortcomings or not.

stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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4 Jul 2007 11:14pm
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt

i have done some searching online and come across a polarizing effect that can be done in photoshop.



Using a polarizing filter isn't the same as using a polarizing photoshop effect. First and foremost a polarizer will take out light reflected by water. If you shoot without a polarizer the image will simply not have information in first place. No Photoshop filter can fix this.

To my knowledge the Photoshop polarizing filter primarily adjusts contrast and blances out the overall image increasing shadow detail.
Gestalt
Gestalt
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5 Jul 2007 11:57am
Hi Haircut.

not today, but i have the whole week off next week and so far we got green green green.

yes, i do like to nerd it up. i am finding this thread very informative.


Hi Stehsegler,

yep i agree that a polarizing filter is better than the photoshop "effect", which i wrote. i've tried it on a couple of pics. it seems to work very nicely on the good photos but introduces noise if the photo is a bit dodgey.

i was also wondering, if you had a portable hard drive would you shoot in RAW as you have more space available?
Gestalt
Gestalt
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5 Jul 2007 11:58am
another thing, and i know it is a case of how long is a piece of string, but.

on average what usual shutter speed do you use? is it better to speed up the shutter speed and get slightly darker prints which have better focus. then adjust levels post production?

found another link, not much tech stuff but interesting for setting stuff up.
http://www.boards.co.uk/articles/index.asp?ID_A=217&article_type=59
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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5 Jul 2007 10:39am
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt
i was also wondering, if you had a portable hard drive would you shoot in RAW as you have more space available?



I only use 8 Gbyte Flash cards these days. I used to use a 20Gbyte Gmini hard drive in combo with 2Gbyte cf cards for a couple of years. 8 Gbyte cards are more convenient. However, unless you have a pro level Canon or Nikon don't even think about using RAW for sports photography. You will be missing too many shots because your camera is too busy writing files.

Writing straight to Hard drive isn't fast enough. The only drives which work in USB hostmode don't have a fast enough throughput to keep up with the camera.

When I work in a studio I sometimes work tethered (camera writing to a computer for display on a big screen simlutaniously)
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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5 Jul 2007 10:44am
quote:
Originally posted by Gestalt
on average what usual shutter speed do you use? is it better to speed up the shutter speed and get slightly darker prints which have better focus. then adjust levels post production?



??? I don't quite follow. You would be shooting either with aperature or shutter priority. The camera would then compensate automatically. The aim really is to get the right exposure straight out of camera.

Underexposing in my experience only works if you use low ISO numbers and a low noise camera. Otherwise dark areas will get too noisy for my taste.

I assume you asked the question because as a rule of thumb underexposing (dark areas can mostly be safed) is better then overexposing (blown highlights can't be save). Ideally try and get the exposure corret within 0.5 stop.

This will be difficult if your camera doesn't have center weight or spot meter build in. Which most point and shoots don't and only some DSLRs do.
lanky
lanky
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213 posts
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15 Jul 2007 5:22pm
I took the plunge and bought a Canon 30D. It's a great camera. No wind to take windsurfing pics though. But anyway I have not bought a long lens yet as there are so many to choose from so I'm gona take my time. Any advice or personal experience welcome.
Haircut
Haircut
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16 Jul 2007 10:54am
great choice imho and get a good qual lens to go with it when u can

btw - how much pocket money you getting a week or are you 16 like i'm 21?
lanky
lanky
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16 Jul 2007 4:00pm
Not much I just spend all the money I earn. and pocket money what little I get on cameras and windsurfing gear. Maby soon a car........
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