batten stuck in sail

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HAIL
HAIL
SA
1160 posts
SA, 1160 posts
4 Mar 2008 7:43pm
hey guys, just wondering if you could give me a hand with my little problem!! i snapped my top batten in a bad catapult the other day!!! it hurt alot..... any how. came out the water pulled one half of the batten out... and the other half stayed put and wont budge!!! is there any tips of getting the old batten out so i can insert the new one??

cheers!! chris
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23688 posts
WA, 23688 posts
4 Mar 2008 7:00pm
Pain in the arse job sometimes.

(1) Take all battens out so it will wrinkle easily and work it thru from the front end (bend sail and push on front end of batten) while another person keeps the back half of the pocket straight (so the shards don't penetrate the pocket 'walls')

(2) put some araldite in the middle of the broken back end, push back in carefully so you glue the two bits back together. Really really carfully so you don't glue to the pocket!!

(3) sail repairer can unpick, remove and re-stitch pretty cheap.
wormy
wormy
QLD
679 posts
QLD, 679 posts
4 Mar 2008 9:47pm
Elmo's advice worked best for me, I did the dowel trick
Here it is again,


Two different methods for two different types of batten

Flat style
Get yourself something with a sharp point (like a school compass)

Try to push the sail back toward s the mast sleeve as much as possible without crinkling the sail.
Near the end of the broken batten tap the point into through the batten sleeve into the back of the batten (do not push it all the way through).
With the pin in place, go to the mast sleeve and pull the sail the from the mast sleeve. When first doing this it will be very tight as the batten is wedged in the bottom of the batten sleeve.
Repeat this process till batten comes out


Round Batten (Hollow)
Get yourself a bit of dowel around the same size.

If batten is slightly larger file a bit of a taper on front and then wrap with soft adhesive tape.
If the batten is smaller then just file a 4-1 taper on the end
Insert the Dowel into the batten pocket hold down the trapped batten then tap the dowel into the broken end of the batten, check the fit by rotating the dowel, if it moves the baten then its in far enough
With a gentle force try to extract the batten, remembering that it will be a bit tight to start with.


Hope this helps

FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
4 Mar 2008 9:59pm
One thing I tried when removing a flat batten was to tape some plastic packing tape at the end of another flat batten so half of it sticks past the end of the batten and wrapped a few turns of tape around.

I then folded the tape over, and pushed this past the piece of batten still in the sail. When I pulled it out, the tape hooked the remaining piece and it slid out relatively easily.

It sounds complicated, but it's just like fishing.

nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
5 Mar 2008 10:51am
FormulaNova said...

One thing I tried when removing a flat batten was to tape some plastic packing tape at the end of another flat batten so half of it sticks past the end of the batten and wrapped a few turns of tape around.

I then folded the tape over, and pushed this past the piece of batten still in the sail. When I pulled it out, the tape hooked the remaining piece and it slid out relatively easily.

It sounds complicated, but it's just like fishing.



So far I've read it twice and still can't visualize it. Could you please post a photo if you have one?
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15105 posts
WA, 15105 posts
5 Mar 2008 9:54am
nobody said...

[So far I've read it twice and still can't visualize it. Could you please post a photo if you have one?


Nup. If I had one I would have posted it. I agree it sounds confusing.

Effectively what I had was a flap of tape on the end of a flat batten. The 'flap' bit is folded back onto the batten and the batten inserted into the pocket. When you pull this batten back out of the pocket, the flap is meant to hook the broken bit of batten and come out together.

If you can't visualise it, get some tape and a batten and try everything. You'll get there
Koosie
Koosie
34 posts
34 posts
5 Mar 2008 11:22am
Hona Pete man you are in for some trouble for sure.

Get the broken piece that you were able to pull from the sail.
Find a long small diameter metal rod that the batton will fit into tightly... I have used a small metal curtain rod... for this he works very well.

Slide the rod into the batton pocket and push until the broken part of the batton gets wedged inside... once jammed in, slowly pull the rod and the batton out of the sail.

This is best way to remove without causing damage to sail
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2879 posts
SA, 2879 posts
5 Mar 2008 1:34pm
I would buy a new sail!
ka43
ka43
NSW
3105 posts
NSW, 3105 posts
5 Mar 2008 2:22pm
You can also use an old camber or something that is hard plastic with a slightly rounded edge to use to "push" the broken bit of batten back down the pocket.
Just make sure its not sharp enough to cut/tear batten pocket.
This has worked for me a couple of times.
Hope it helps
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4170 posts
WA, 4170 posts
5 Mar 2008 4:36pm
A method I just had success with on a hollow NP batten was to wind a rubber band around the end of a length of 6mm dowell. A spiral tight wind with one return so it will fit in the test end. Once you get it into the captive piece give it a good wiggle back and forward to mess up the neat spiral or break the rubber band.

The trouble I had was the ragged end of the batten was chewing up an inner layer of the batten pocket, balling up a pile of thread. Was getting touch and go towards the end, was gripping the dowell with pliers and it was breaking under tension with the resistance of the fur ball. But the rubber band didn't let go.

Unstitching might be a better option on balance but now I'm ready for a sail, if ever the wind blows again this season.
NR
NR
WA
517 posts
NR NR
WA, 517 posts
5 Mar 2008 4:54pm
Not as elegant as the previous suggestions but very quick. Make a small cut into the batten pocket where it snapped and just pull it through your new hole. Not elegant but doable is less than 60 seconds. You won't worry about the tiny hole once out sailing again.
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