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pole boy
pole boy
WA
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WA, 292 posts
29 Mar 2005 12:55pm
now i have your attention. there is a serious lack of chicks/women if you will in windsurfing. now i try going out there in just a seat harness trying to raise some intrest and all i do is get a lot of pain when i hook in with the wrong bar. but seriously if we get more chicks we instantly get more guys and hence more windsurfers out there.
poley
rustbucket
rustbucket
NSW
290 posts
NSW, 290 posts
29 Mar 2005 5:51pm
[}:)] DOWN "Pole Boy"........DOWN.


Good thinking though.
I was introduced into windsurfing by A windsurfing girlfriend.
My next girlfriend would not even try.
Then I introduced my next girlfriend into windsurfing which she enjoyed while we were together,she enjoyed the comraderie of sailing together,i think more than the sailing?,but gave it up once we broke up unfortunately,and she started at age 40 full credit to her,but bringing up kids alone puts too much excuse not to sail.understandably.
And my present friend I wouldnt ask...........

Youve got to get them interested when they are young perhaps,like many sports,its an easy one to say its all too hard, for male or female.

There are girls on this forum,maybe they can enlighten us?????????



doc jans
doc jans
VIC
70 posts
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30 Mar 2005 7:28am
I am a lucky one. My girl introduced me to the sport (thank god for her!) as her dad has been doing it for years... I think that the biggest problem with getting ANYONE into it is the cost of gear... I would never had considered it if Barrie hadn't had the gear there ready for me to destroy... Victoria/Melb doesn't seem to have the windsurfing lifestyle that many other areas have - there is only one spot where you can rock up and hire off the beach, generally the gear is old making it more difficult to get going quickly (eg Go boards or boats with flags as i call them), plus the prices are expensive... we need something like the RYA in England to really get kids into it early, thats where its at.

Doc J.
markh
markh
WA
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30 Mar 2005 8:03am
Maybe you guys should drop up to Lancelin during summer.
The ratio is usually about 40% chicks, 60% guys.
silverback
silverback
WA
72 posts
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30 Mar 2005 12:22pm
Now that was a dumb thing to say, next thing you know
that ration will be 20/80
markh
markh
WA
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30 Mar 2005 6:26pm
ooops, sorry Silverback
being old and married and only allowed to look but not touch I didnt think about the consequences
doc jans
doc jans
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31 Mar 2005 8:41am
Lesley
Lesley
WA
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1 Apr 2005 8:19am
Well from a girls point of view I think there are a couple of important points:

1. Dont try and teach your girlfriend/wife yourself on your old crappy wave/sinker gear. If you are going to teach her yourself at least get hold of a big wide learner board from somewhere and a suitable sail. Borrow or hire one.

2. If you or she can afford it, get professional lessons (a beginner's course). She will advance much quicker and have a sense of achievement which will give her enthusiasm for the sport.

3. Go out in suitable beginners weather. Don't just leave her in the shallows to struggle while you are out enjoying yourself in the 20-25kt wind. She will just get frustrated and think it is too hard and give up.

I think these points are relevant for teaching anyone to windsurf, not just girls. If they can see progress and can advance at a reasonable pace you stand a chance that they will get addicted to the sport. Then there is no holding them back!
tracy
tracy
33 posts
33 posts
1 Apr 2005 1:05pm
Well said Lesley. What a great, intelligent, and completely sensible post.

(Let me stress that I'm being sincere and NOT scarcastic. This forum needs more posts like these.)
Warren Francis
Warren Francis
NSW
211 posts
NSW, 211 posts
1 Apr 2005 5:00pm
Hi Tracy & Leslie

Couldn't have said it better.....

The number of times i've been teaching and seen this happen is inexcusable!!! The most recent, only last week..at Narrabeen Lakes, Sydney. I was on a wide board with clients, she was uphauling a 5.5m wave sail on a 120 l Slalom board..Yeah right!!!! No wonder she looked uncomfortable...and he was trying to hold the back of the board stable....ain't going to work!

I encouraged her to wait until i finished my lesson, then she ripped for 30 mins sailing backwards and forwards smiling all the way!

It's no wonder i get mid week lessons with ladies, who don't want to tell their partners their having lessons.....so on the weekends they look natural sailors!!!

Come on guys....easy solution....look after the ladies! Get the right gear and they'll come back...

Rgds

Warren Francis
www.safarilodge.com.fj
[email protected]

rustbucket
rustbucket
NSW
290 posts
NSW, 290 posts
2 Apr 2005 10:20am
I think Lesley summed it up in one posting.
I must admit that i taught my girlfriend on a wide board I purchased for her,this was a board similar in dimensions to a Wind glider[I imagine a rip off of concept],but made of solid not inflatible material,something like the woven material of those old foam surfboards [remember the 60/70s],it was very stable had a small kids type rig and was easy to sail,it suited her for the season until she felt comfortable and confident,it sailed well and better in strong wind, and I never left her to sail alone,as It was for both of us the fun of sailing together that we enjoyed.
At the end of the season she had wanted to get something more sportier as she had outgrown this board [she thought it didnt seem sporty looking enough],and really the rig needed upgrading and couldnt easily.
But I know that the reason she enjoyed sailing was the comraderie of doing a sport with me rather than the sailing itself otherwise she would have continued after we broke up,So comraderie in sailing is a big thing too,If you want to share a sport with your girl you must sail with her,not leave her in the shallows as Leslie has mentioned.
Im still best mates with her now,and im prepared to buy a wideboard for her to use if she was inclined.And I could use it in the winter months to keep dry.
Lesley
Lesley
WA
38 posts
WA, 38 posts
2 Apr 2005 9:13am
You're right Rustbucket. The comraderie is very important as well. I sail a lot on my own as my boyfriend is away a lot and the comraderie of the other sailors is a very important part of the whole windsurfing experience for me as well.
Pugwash
Pugwash
WA
7733 posts
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2 Apr 2005 9:34am
... and the dolphins!
Scorpian
Scorpian
WA
8 posts
WA, 8 posts
2 Apr 2005 11:29am
well im a chick.. my first time was shocking... i still want to learn.. and i know if i started then i would convince more chicks into it...
My best advice to you guys out there who want to see more female windsurfers.. offer to teach them or give them bulk info about the sport.. i mean youll prolly end up with a real good mate and get to watch back as the female windsurfing population grows thanks to you =)
nic
nic
WA
59 posts
nic nic
WA, 59 posts
2 Apr 2005 6:28pm
I agree too les! I took my sister out for the first time last weekend on a 205L JP learner board and 4.5m sail and she was cruising around by herself within about 45 minutes...while some poor girl was struggling on her boyfriends 80L wave board!!! How on earth are we going to keep ANY beginner (male or female), interested if they can't even stay on the board for longer than 5 seconds before falling on their face. It is definately worthwhile to get some lessons or at least some proper learner gear if you want to learn. And you have to admit, there are just as many, if not more girls learning than there are guys at the moment. And if they are anything like us they will own more gear than their boyfriends soon!!!
drum
drum
WA
30 posts
WA, 30 posts
3 Apr 2005 6:46am
More windsurfers is not what we want. Spending half an hour on a reasonable day at Lancelin to be in the right position on a set wave to find two euro slalom sailors heading straight at me along the wave, another sailor dropping in and two in the water who have fallen off doesn't make an enjoyable session.
There are plenty of windurfers around thanks poley
Simon
Simon
WA
275 posts
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3 Apr 2005 10:11am
hi Drum,
I can understand your frustration, but with less windsurfers ,boards, sails etc would all cost more, there would be less choice, fewer shops to buy from, and less seond hand kit to buy.
We live in a huge state, with hundreds of good sailing spots. There are still plenty of places you can wave sail by yourself in perfect conditions. Just takes a bit of imagination.
Most euros are used to sailing with hundreds of others (3000 out in Tarifa on a windy day) so don't even think it's crowded.
Maybe it's time for some wavesailng rules to be posted at the main sailing spots. I know that last summer at Coro's it was pretty dire on somedays.
Thats the problem with living in the best windsurfing location in the world!!
Trouble
Trouble
NSW
193 posts
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3 Apr 2005 11:10pm
hi guys, was just checking out what the windsurfers talk about!
i taught my ex how to windsurf,around 10 years ago. we had an old southpac...(big).
she learned to sail backwards and forwards quite well.. but i could not teach her to water start or gybe. i found it really good in the begining but frustrating in the end.
dont get me wrong i really wanted her to sail but there are a few things i would change if i could go back in time.
i would pay for her to get lessons as you learn faster, also i think your spouse tends not to listen to you as well as an instructor.
i would make sure she has good gear that she can carry and rig all by herself. work a second job if you have to .
i have just taught another girl to kite surf....made all the same mistakes...and i am having the same frustrations....
i have come to the same conclusion again... pay for lessons from a qualified instructor!
to all the girls who hate me now..i did not intend to offend anyone, just wanted to share my experiences.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23684 posts
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15 Apr 2005 11:36pm
Simon..... Mark from Esperance here.

Too bloody right. Lets organise some wavesailing right of way signs at Gnaraloo, Coro's, Sunset, Green Head, Lancelin, Margies and Esp..... but none at those spots we never speak of on this unsecured network or if anyone may be listening
No idea how to but F'g good idea.

Instead maybe the shops can hand out right of way pamphlets, printed by WWA, to anyone new or from O/S??
FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
WA, 877 posts
16 Apr 2005 11:50am
I have heaps of mates that would love to learn, and a few of them chicks... Problem is I havent got a big enough board for them to have a go on, my biggest is 100L. And they keep saying I never take them down for a go, but i learnt on a 103L board and it took me a month of falling off and swimming before i sailed 2m, and I know they will all be put off by the lack of progress if they try it this way. Once they get hooked it will prolly justify them getting kit, but until that, I dont think they will fork out for a board to learn on.
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
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19 Apr 2005 11:04am
I am a qualified instructor and I refuse to teach anyone I know. I have found that as soon as someone pays for lesson they listen.

KAOS69
KAOS69
WA
1012 posts
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19 Apr 2005 3:00pm
hey chaddy boy where you been , i was wondering what you are a qualified instructor of, would that be chicks or windsurfing or both as the readers are not to clear on that
FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
WA, 877 posts
19 Apr 2005 7:14pm
I was beggin him to give me a free lesson in "picking up" but he refused... looks like its gonna be another lonely night
silvec01
silvec01
WA
645 posts
WA, 645 posts
19 Apr 2005 7:34pm
Life is not that easy...
Do i spend time with Anna, or Amanda or Belinda...
Then If im with one I have to call the others to see what they are up to and avoid the places they are going....

See theres more too it then you think.....

We need to get a team of players together????
But OLD mike is retired now,,, way out of his prime....He has even converted to kitesurfing :(

waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
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19 Apr 2005 9:02pm
Never teach your wife or girlfriend how to sail.
WHY...because familiarity breeds contempt.

Hey, you're the coach and the know-alls won't do a thing you say.
Call it pride, like whatever. If you must tutor them, start with lesson no.1......the waterstart. Continue with this challenging task until they totally get it.

Once they master that trick, the rest doesn't matter. Whatever happens, they can always return to shore under their own steam.
Success.
FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
WA, 877 posts
20 Apr 2005 12:11pm
I wouldnt want my girlfriend to start windsurfing... then i dont have an excuse to get away every now and then... and then i would have to windsurf with her all the time... coz if i went somewhere else i would be "avoiding her" or some ****
FilthyAmatuer
FilthyAmatuer
WA
877 posts
WA, 877 posts
20 Apr 2005 12:12pm
I hope she doesnt read this ... eek
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
21 Apr 2005 6:04am
The consensus of opinion world wide is,
if you want your wife/girlfriend to sail then don't teach them yourself!

They will listen to anyone but you and then take what they said and tell you " why didn't you tell me that". Of course you had been saying the very same things over and over but who cares.

I have some female kite students who were sent to me for kite lessons from competent spouses and improved at a rapid rate. driven by 2 things, getting their monies worth, and showing the partner up.

But the most encouraging thing I have seen for women is encouragment from other women sailors.

so chicks it's up to you to go up to any girl you see learning and encourage.

best winds
Tony Lorenz
Warren Francis
Warren Francis
NSW
211 posts
NSW, 211 posts
22 Apr 2005 8:41am
Bula bula

Point in question Tony!

Tony is a very mature Windsurfing and Kiting Instructor (40+++).....however even Tony's wife, the lovely Sheryl, books on Sailboarding Safari holidays to Winda Woppa and Fiji to get instruction from me....good decision tony!

See...it's not just punters...even us professionals realise the advantage of our own limitations.....and longevity in relationships! My partner is getting lessons from Emilie, our Kitesurfing instructor in Fiji, because this is the most professional way to do it....don't try teaching yourself........

Happy Sailing Sheryl!

Encouragement is always important.

Rgds

Warren
www.safarilodge.com.fj
[email protected]
RAL INN
RAL INN
SA
2898 posts
SA, 2898 posts
22 Apr 2005 4:06pm
don't you hate it.

you give out all this advice to your spouse and they take no notice.

then they pay some dude who calls himself an instructor to tell them the same stuff and they take all the notice in the world.

of course my wife is the only female sailboarder who only sails in exactly the right air temp, water temp, and wind direction (hairdo can't be messed up) and wind strength( so the best coloured sail can be used to match the board colour).

wetsuits of course must be slimming and how can we explain that black is functional.

Warren, How many lessons has the bub had?

best winds
Tony
Warren Francis
Warren Francis
NSW
211 posts
NSW, 211 posts
22 Apr 2005 8:12pm
Tony...

My little girl is only 4 months old...thought i'd wait until she can at least stand up! She has got webbed feet and lives in a harness though...got one of those on here already!

Another 25+knot day in Fiji today...windsurfing on 69litre boards and 5.0m sails....Kiting on 8 and 9m kites....whew!

Rgds

Warren

www.safarilodge.com.fj
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