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shmage
shmage
WA
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WA, 318 posts
24 Apr 2004 1:25pm
I just had an idea that maby during winter someone could hold a comp or something. The swell is always up, lots of wind and winter is crazy. There could be something like an expression session at crazy waves were the biggest/best jump wins or something like that. A wave comp could be held at dutches if people are game enough. I think that it would keep people in the sport all year round insted of people saying well the season over, see you next summer. Maby its the youth in me or something but lets try someting differt. I know about 5 people who would do a comp in winter hands down. Lets get our heads together and take this sport to thge next level

Shmage
leski
leski
NSW
661 posts
NSW, 661 posts
24 Apr 2004 3:43pm
Great idea Shmage!!!

What about something like the comp in Scarbs where everybody is sailing and ripping while the video camera is shooting and then give awards and results after watching video....
Dutchies or even Crazy waves is perfect spot!!!....and even a bit of starboard tack could be good fun!!.

It is somehow easy to organised as if there are some good wind and waves, everybody 's gone be at Dutchies or Crazy waves anyway. So doesn't need much planning ..just have to wait for a good day and be ready!!!
Any shop willing to organise that?

Alberto ??
would be pretty cool to watch video after session on that Big wall!!!!



Shmage: count 6 now !!!!
leper111
leper111
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
24 Apr 2004 1:46pm
hey Stephen,

Alberto (from windshack) is organisiing something. Supposedly it will be at crazy waves some time in winter when there is wind. If your interested speak to him about it. Dave and I have already put our names down
hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
24 Apr 2004 3:48pm
Firstly, GREAT IDEAS everyone, you've got me enthused!!!!!!!!

Then what about a culminating Wave Comp at the best winter spot on a WSW

I'm too scared to mention it's name as people are so protective about it

It would be a real showcase if the industry/shops/sponsors got behind it.

Imagine 5 metre swells (5m swells don't break as 20 foot monsters, more like 6 to 10 ft faces, very deep reefs), 30 -40 kts, Perfect Side Shore Wind Direction, long waves etc

You could have different levels competing, Novice, Recreational, Fatboy 40 yearolds, to Pro's

Are people willing to Open up the SPOT, and let everyone know about it

The USUAL reasons people don't want to publicize these type places, is they say "It'll get too crowded, then nobody will enjoy it", and I have to say there's some truth to this. However, if we don't open up these places to all windsurfers, and enthuse the youngens, the sport may reduce in numbers to a point others take the spot over. This is my rationale for saying let's open the place up.

Hardie SoftBoy
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
25 Apr 2004 9:35am
its hardly a secret, on a good day the carpark is packed and so is the water. If your into wavesailing youll hear about it sooner or later. good idea with the comps .

jim
Paul
Paul
WA
346 posts
WA, 346 posts
25 Apr 2004 11:23am
Hardman

I am curious as to why you believe industry/shops/and sponsors are necessary to have a wave comp in that area. And why would it be a showcase (to whom)? I ask because if you want to have a contest for the fun of sailing why is it necessary for the shops and sponsors to organise an event instead of sailors?

Your area has been host to wave events in winter for over 15 years, it's just the last few years it has not been held. This event had very little support because even with a window of one month, the chance of getting the right conditions was near impossible.
When it did happen it was good though. To have another event would be great.

BTW the reason certain people don't advertise certain spots is they are already busy on good days. As old sailors drift away new sailors take there place so there is always alot of sailors. Not everyone has the luxury of travelling to Lano ar Margies when the swell is up. As you would have seen yourself, on a good day it already gets very crowded with over twenty guys out.The spot really only holds ten or so sailors if you are to enjoy the waves. Any more and you have two fighting for the wave, one waterstarting in the impact zone, and two sailing out throught the waves, which leaves you with weaving around boards instead of riding the wave.

You would have to agree that a day when you get twenty waves to yourself is better that sailing in and out for three hours and only getting three or four good waves.
Everyone who sails Dutchies or Lano knows the frustration of finding a ramp to jump without sailing into or over someone is as rare as getting a clean bottom turn.

I personaly love to sail with others, to enjoy watching others going off and getting stoked, but not with so many that the enjoyment dissappears.

Good luck with restoring the winter wave comp.
Paul
Paul
WA
346 posts
WA, 346 posts
25 Apr 2004 11:30am
I should add to my last post that there is a new generation of sailors that haven't experienced the winter wave events of the past. It would be good to have a fun event for the newer sailors to enjoy. Something that doesn't involve structured heats. In the past only one round of heats could be held due to conditions. This meant the good guys always progressed while newcomers sailed ten minutes then had to watch for the rest of the day. No incentive to come back next comp. So a new format is really needed.
curac
curac
WA
1160 posts
WA, 1160 posts
25 Apr 2004 11:39am
maybe have a super-x event.. thats very good for fans and onlookers to watch. and its look like a lot of fun.. although you do need some armor and a helmet for that. and i would not like to be sailing in an event like that with people at my own level with out armor and helmet. as sometimes some wierd **** happens.. but yeah
that would be very good. with a wave comp on conseccutive weekends

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shmage
shmage
WA
318 posts
WA, 318 posts
25 Apr 2004 12:17pm
What about an expression session as i said before hand. It would be easy for everyone. I mean give 30 mins or so to do the biggest jump, crash, what ever. You could have say 4 heats were you get to sail 2, so you can see what other people are doing, or tring to do. This way i think keeps the structure of a comp but with the easy going of everyday fun sailing
shmage
hardman
hardman
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1116 posts
25 Apr 2004 12:48pm
Paul,

I'm just getting caught up in the enthusiasm, and not expecting anything at all from shops, sorry If it felt like I was pressuring shops to do anything about it

Shops/Sponsors etc make their decisions based on a number of reasons/factors, and they are in the best position to decide whether it is worth the effort for them, certainly not me. I'm happy to generate discussion, enthusiasm, and if you decide to have one at this spot, I'll volunteer my help on the day and not sail if it will help others to sail By the way, I personally don't care one way or the other, Yeh it would be fun to have a comp and I'll help, HOWEVER, If there's a comp it probably means less or no waves for me.

I personally don't need to catch 20 waves, (Too fat and unfit) so maybe I don't mind sharing so much, but that doesn't give me the right to wreck it for others. But sure, if you like to get your quota of 20 waves every time you sail, then don't advertise, I deliberately didn't mention the name as I know there are plenty of windsurfers that like to keep these places to themselves.

When I meet someone I like, who I trust, and I know is respectful of others, I tell them about my secret spots, I do it personally not publicly, and as I get to know people from this forum I will share, I'll just keep it at the level I mentioned

Peace Brothers

Hardie SoftBoy
leski
leski
NSW
661 posts
NSW, 661 posts
25 Apr 2004 3:36pm
...just give me some wind & waves..

Personnaly I've never seen a spot overcrowded in winter,
so I am happy to share with anyone ..........in winter.

hey, hardie if you 're thinking of making few sausages sizzle on the spot, then yeah... ..nice. ..( I am always starving in the winter)



bluejuice
bluejuice
WA
334 posts
WA, 334 posts
25 Apr 2004 5:06pm
a FREESTYLE OR EXPRESSION (oops caps lock was on I wasn't yelling) at crazies would be a great idea, good for onlookers as the designated area could be close to shore but I wonder who would want to stand watching on a 14 degree day getting hammered by 30 knotts and rain.
I don't think you need sponsors as they usually only supply token prizes anyway, just some enthusiastic sailors and permission from the council.
I'm in!

a.k.a. KA202
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
26 Apr 2004 9:49am
I think the Crazies comp is a good idea. Its not the best wave venue around but it gets good wind from a number of directions is not too far from most people and there are good spots for spectators and judges. I think if you wanted to get all skill levels involved it is a good spot. some of the more advanced sailers might dissagree but it seems there are a few younger guys that are keen so get em into it.

jim
Davo87
Davo87
WA
139 posts
WA, 139 posts
26 Apr 2004 12:01pm
As simmo said Alberto is trying to organise something for crazys over winter. Not sure of the format exactly but i think it was going to be more orientated towards fun than all out competition. I think the idea is that he's getting everyone's name and contact details who are interested and then when a really good front comes through he's going to ring everyone up and tell them it's on. The best way to make sure this happens is to get down to windshack and let Alberto know your keen. There's also meant to be a race on the river when it really blows.

If anyone up for organising a more waveriding orientated comp at dutchies or the other spot (didn't think it was all that secret if i've got the right one) i'm definetly in if it doesn't clash with exams.
mike_jprox
mike_jprox
WA
48 posts
WA, 48 posts
26 Apr 2004 5:35pm
I reckon this is a great idea, im only young and haven't been in a comp yet so if there was a youth division or something that would be great, and i know of two friends that are bout my age that would do it as well, just as soon as a front comes through with big winds, the comp should be awsome.



~Mike~
mike
mike
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
26 Apr 2004 7:08pm
Is anyone in contact with WWA? Are they going to be organising this event? No one seems to have mentioned them.

Any comments?

Paul Kelf
Paul Kelf
WA
678 posts
WA, 678 posts
27 Apr 2004 10:56am
Additional events all year would be great.
I personally think some of the token prizes have been pretty good and I have yet to see anyone knock them back!
If you can get some volunteers to organise extra events then go for it, but you should at least talk to WWA first.
The usual guys that organise the WWA summer events are probably enjoying a well earned break during the off season.
Not sure about council approval but you need to consider the issue of insurance, public liability is huge with water sports.
I know that nobody wants to pay to compete or feel obliged to join WWA but the reality is that someone will get injured one day and then they will want to hold the organisers responsible, especially when you are talking super-x and biggest crash etc.
We hear how great the free events are but you must realise why they are free.
I believe signing disclaimers is also worthless and the organisers are ultimately responsible.
WWA can probably clarify the legalities.

Paul Kelf
mike
mike
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
27 Apr 2004 12:21pm
Paul, you have hit the nail on the head. I think it would be wise to at least liase with WWA. They do this thing all the time during summer. They will know all the in's and out's of holding a comp.

Anyone from WWA out there want to comment?
curac
curac
WA
1160 posts
WA, 1160 posts
27 Apr 2004 8:55pm
i was just looking at tropicalenergy.com/
and that there is a very cool way to hold a contest.


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Dalai Lama
Dalai Lama
WA
58 posts
WA, 58 posts
28 Apr 2004 4:21pm
My Friends,

Looks very similar to the way the Wind-Jam is run...

Now thats an event..

Dalai Lama
If a pickpocket meets a Holy Man, he will see only his pocket.
spot1
spot1
WA
1588 posts
WA, 1588 posts
3 May 2004 8:50pm
The WWA AGM will be held on Wednesday 5 May 2004 at the Nedlands Yacht club, Esplanade, Nedlands.

all you sailers that want to get behind wave sailing in wa come on down
we need your support

Thank you for supporting your association

geoff golder

spot1
leski
leski
NSW
661 posts
NSW, 661 posts
4 May 2004 12:54am
Ok I get the point about safety..liability etc....

but why can't there be a little comp not as "formal" with the whole pay for this join that.

I completely agree that for a proper season of comps WWA etc are probably doing a really good job but this is not the way you'll get more people involved.

Some people I think want just to have a go and as someone mention earlier all the young dudes feel probably intimidated to join in straight into a comp structure .
I 've personnaly never joined a comp because I've never came around the fact that I had to be organised ..sign in here..join there ..pay here..blabla..also I am crap when something is very strutured anyway and that you sail ten minutes only and I am also not a champion (so doesn't help)

So I was hoping for once at something friendly and just welcoming like a wind jam kind of thing
but maybe I don't quite understand how it works and you do need structure sign up join pay god knows where

hardman
hardman
1116 posts
1116 posts
4 May 2004 7:04am
Leski,

Your ideas are OK for someone crap like yourself, but what about for super duper champions like me NOT

No really, I agree with you Leski, I geuss someone who organises an informal comp, has to be clear that no one would then be able to sue them for Public Liability. Like if I organised a BBQ at Spot G, and people turn up for a "Wind Jam or Expression Session", are people or someone going to sue me if they do a knee, break a leg, and miss out on 6 months of work.

I geuss we need these sort of questions answeredwhich is what some people are alluding to.

Hardie SoftBoy
westozwind
westozwind
WA
1419 posts
WA, 1419 posts
4 May 2004 2:32pm
Anyone know more info about the WWA AGM? Can non members turn up.
Their website is not very useful and has limited information.
All I can add is that it's arrive by 7pm for a drink, for a 7.30pm start.
I sent an e-mail to [email protected] but got

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