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boardboy
boardboy
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2 Mar 2008 12:24pm
a friend and i were having a debate as to who is the greatest windsurfer of all time, I think it is Naish and he beleived dunkerbeck. any thoughts?
Greenroom
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2 Mar 2008 11:44am
I dont see any Dunkerbeck sails or Dunkerbeck boards on the market?
In fact I couldnt even tell you what he looks like?
Honest
hardie
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2 Mar 2008 11:47am
boardboy said...

a friend and i were having a debate as to who is the greatest windsurfer of all time, I think it is Naish and he beleived dunkerbeck. any thoughts?



Interesting question, you would have to define what makes one great?

Names that come to mind, Dunkerbeck, Naish, Polakow
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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2 Mar 2008 11:47am
I thought I was ....


... although I was tucked up in bed and dreaming at the time
hardie
hardie
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2 Mar 2008 11:49am
grumplestiltskin said...

I thought I was ....


... although I was tucked up in bed and dreaming at the time



Yes...... well you are one of the greatest Manbra Blobs of all time even though you are a WPW......... Let's face it with beer/bourbon gutz like ourz... just to be able to sail on a windsurfer is great
curac
curac
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2 Mar 2008 11:50am
dunkerbeck has his own board brand. it's called proof
lao shi
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2 Mar 2008 12:05pm
Has to be Robby. Sailed Pipeline, one of the first to sail Jaws on camera, looped a race board on camera, all round top bloke and still an awesome sailor. (Yes I have got his autograph!)
CJW
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2 Mar 2008 2:30pm
There is no doubt Robby Naish is the most successful pro windsurfer it terms of his 'branding' but I think to define the absolute 'best' windsurfer is hard to do. I think Dunkerbeck won a lot more world titles yeah? I think it's more appropriate to just name those you admire.

Naish - True legend of the sport
Dunkerbeck - As above and for the domination of the PWA for so long
Polakow - For pushing wave riding to new limits
Campello - Arguably took freestyle into the direction it's headed today
waveslave
waveslave
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2 Mar 2008 1:00pm
Mike Waltze was one of the first to sail the wave spots of Maui.
A true pioneer.
*The groms will be asking; "Mike who" ?
lol.
aus301
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2 Mar 2008 2:22pm
It's like asking who is the greatest boxer of all time, it will never be apples with apples.

Naish is certainly undisputed as the first great champion of the sport and is an all round great sailor. He won races against pretty much everyone, but is probably regarded by most as a wavesailor. I would certainly say he is a better wavesailor than Dunkerbeck.

But then by the time Dunkerbeck was dominating the PWA it could be said that it was much larger and therefore more competative, so maybe at thier prime Robby wouldn't have been a match? And there is no denying that Dunkerbeck is one of the few sailors to come close to being a household name (only throughout Europe mind you).

And this is only taking in account PWA and mainstream sailors, you then have the likes of Bruce Kendall from NZ in the Olympic divisions, and guys like Dave Kalama in the waves - A true pioneer but didn't really compete a great deal.

Too hard a choice, but Robbie would definatly have to be up there.
lanky
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2 Mar 2008 2:24pm
I would say:

Naish and Polakow are the 2 all time greatest in terms of what they have done for the sport overall and their level of sailing both past and present, but there are many that have had a major influence as well like Mike Waltze, Victor Fernandez, Ricardo, Kauli and Levi. They have all done their part.
ka43
ka43
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2 Mar 2008 3:46pm
Elmo

For his Elmoism, Elmoing gear, Elmoing Elmo, Elmoing Hardie, Elmoing 40 knots etc etc!!

lao shi
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2 Mar 2008 2:00pm
If you are talking early pioneers then Cabrinha would have to be up there.
For true spirit robert teriitehau he has embodied the go for it side of windsurfing.
curac
curac
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2 Mar 2008 3:41pm
if you are talking about what they have done for the sport, then how about jim drake, and the howle schwalzer guy (i can't remember how to spell his name)

you can't do much more for windsurfing then them, seeing as they invented it.. aparantly
mikey100
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2 Mar 2008 5:15pm
Robbie Naish. Simple as that!
mkseven
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2 Mar 2008 8:30pm
In pure ability Dunkie. However being recognised as the greatest is just as much about PR. Robby is/has been a great ambassador AND a great sailor, so I think he probably takes the win.

It has to be an all round sailor, if you start dividing up into disciplines then it could be any of at least 30 sailors. Besides ask almost any of the new gen of PWA stars who they look up to Robby is the man.
SeanAUS120
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2 Mar 2008 8:51pm
Are we kidding?

Dunkerbeck won the PBA/PWA Overall World Title 12 times in a row; at a time where you had to qualify to be racing at an event with him (not like now)...

12 times. TWELVE TIMES. That included 7 Wave World Titles, 12 Race World Titles and a Freestyle World Title (yes, freestyle!).

Sure, he's not the most interesting person to talk to at the best of times, but nobody has dominated a sport like Dunkerbeck did, and he could drink you under the table even if he had to race the next day.

@ Greenroom - no Dunkerbeck sails on the market? Have you ever tried a NP sail from 1989-2006 ?? It was a Dunkerbeck sail.

Apparently, he rides for Switzerland (SUI-11) now because of tax related reasons ...lol.
DAM71
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2 Mar 2008 8:58pm
Dunkerbeck has the proof brand which predominantly make wave, and the Thommen boards are all T1 Dunkerbeck. So I think it s fair to say he probably owns part of this with Peter Thommen.
mkseven
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2 Mar 2008 9:27pm
Sean, whilst Dunkie's results speak volumes (and legend of what he was doing before he started racing speaks more) it can be argued that his wave world titles were a result of their scoring moving towards jumps.

Dunkie vs Robby it's like Holden vs Ford.

They are both great, I wish I had a 10th of the ability that they have.
Richiefish
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2 Mar 2008 9:28pm
I'll vote for Robbie...
AUS4
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2 Mar 2008 10:38pm
I remember Robby Naish winning at least 6 Windsurfer World Titles before winning PWA titles when the competition was real stiff and 200,000 people would come to watch in europe. I also remember 1977 worlds in Sardinia where Robby's Windsurfer was so bad you could bend his fin from one side of the rail to the other and he had on one arm in plaster from his wrist to his elbow, no harness those days, won every race ( 10 ) to win the Worlds.
NotWal
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2 Mar 2008 9:46pm
Isn't it eymhardcore? I'm he sure he said it was him.
P.C_simpson
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2 Mar 2008 9:50pm
Robby Naish 100% is good at it all, and been at the top since the start, awsome sailor. Polokow No.1 in the waves no doubt.
aus301
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2 Mar 2008 10:52pm
SeanAUS120 said...

Apparently, he rides for Switzerland (SUI-11) now because of tax related reasons ...lol.


Wasn't that why he was sponsored by Andoraa, a tax haven or something like that?

Not sure about the Holden v Ford thing, but it is always hard to compare people from different era's in any sport. How do you compare the feats of Robby in the early days with 12 world titles from Dunky?

AUS4
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3 Mar 2008 12:57am
Who is Robbie?
Try 15 World Titles for Robby Naish.
Greenroom
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2 Mar 2008 11:02pm
ka43 said...

Elmo

For his Elmoism, Elmoing gear, Elmoing Elmo, Elmoing Hardie, Elmoing 40 knots etc etc!!



Elmoing Hardie?
AAARRR!!!
I just had a visual

Gestalt
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3 Mar 2008 12:08am
i am voting naish first, as he is a legend, i took a few points off on account of the fact that he lives within the US and is an american but he still had enough points to win!

next polakow,

i mean the guy has to be hardest core dude on the planet. even bungy jumping for him doesn't get the adrenaline pumping, he has to put a bucket on his head so he can't see and be pushed over the edge before he is ready.

then dunky. he's a winner at everything!
peter1meter
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2 Mar 2008 11:17pm
Dunkerbeck has 35 world titles, over a 100 pwa wins and still competing! who else can compare to that?

mkseven
mkseven
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3 Mar 2008 12:22am
AUS4 said...

Who is Robbie?
Try 15 World Titles for Robby Naish.


Most true, though he deserves our mistake for being a teabagger.
SeanAUS120
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3 Mar 2008 12:29am
AUS4 said...

I also remember 1977 worlds in Sardinia where Robby's Windsurfer was so bad you could bend his fin from one side of the rail to the other and he had on one arm in plaster from his wrist to his elbow, no harness those days, won every race ( 10 ) to win the Worlds.


If you can remember that, you are too old to be using a computer :-/
greenleader
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3 Mar 2008 1:37am
his steel cheekbone is not airport friendly either!
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